View Poll Results: Now that we will begin our 5th season without the Expos, What team do you follow?

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    Baseball Thread

    Does anyone in Montréal still care about baseball?
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    I have absolutely no interest in following baseball at all since the Expos left. Just hearing about the insane contracts being given out by the teams and the abuse of performance enhancing drugs by the players would be enough to turn me off the game even if we still had a team. Might as well be watching bike racing.
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    Not the same since we lost the expos

    I stopped following
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    I agree with you guys, contracts, steroids etc.... the contracts are high, but it is the players getting the money that would otherwise be pocketed by the owners. So, I dont really have a problem with the salaries too much, but the players union is what drives up the values. These guys play looong seasons, and some really deserve the payday.
    Steroids and HGH have disrupted the statistical integrity that was the foundation for baseball history. that bothers me, but.......
    the game is still the game, and it is no less fun to play and watch for me, even with the empty void left behimd by Nos Amours Les Expos!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Techman
    I have absolutely no interest in following baseball at all since the Expos left. Just hearing about the insane contracts being given out by the teams and the abuse of performance enhancing drugs by the players would be enough to turn me off the game even if we still had a team. Might as well be watching bike racing.
    And yet you go to movies in which the leading performers are paid at least as well as baseball players. Can you explain the contradiction?
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    I used to cheer for both the Expos & the Jays back in the days when the Expos were in Mtl. The Jays were my American League team, the Expos were my National League team.

    I still cheer for the Jays. Among the NHL, NBA, NFL & MLB, baseball is still the cheapest pro sport to attend in person. I can only afford to go to an NBA game once or twice a year. Same with the NFL. As for hockey, a handful of games. But i can attend a dozen MLB games since a premium ticket is much more affordable than what i'd be paying for the other sports i listed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rumpleforeskiin
    And yet you go to movies in which the leading performers are paid at least as well as baseball players. Can you explain the contradiction?
    Good point. Add drug abuse. Add listening to music and/or attending a concert. The amount of drug abuse among celebs is astronomical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rumpleforeskiin
    And yet you go to movies in which the leading performers are paid at least as well as baseball players. Can you explain the contradiction?
    For one thing, it doesn't cost me 400 bucks for a ticket to a movie like it would for a good seat to see the Yankees with their 450 Million dollar roster.

    Plus whether the actors in a movie use drugs or not has no bearing on whether the movie will win at the box office or not. And no matter how much it costs to make a movie, even the lowest budget film can be successful at the box office and have a chance to win film's top prize, the Oscar. While the bottom revenue teams in baseball don't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning anything.

    The day MLB brings in full drug testing for all it's 'athletes' and a salary cap so that all teams have the chance to compete on an equal playing field, baseball is about as interesting as the WWE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Techman
    For one thing, it doesn't cost me 400 bucks for a ticket to a movie like it would for a good seat to see the Yankees with their 450 Million dollar roster.

    Plus whether the actors in a movie use drugs or not has no bearing on whether the movie will win at the box office or not. And no matter how much it costs to make a movie, even the lowest budget film can be successful at the box office and have a chance to win film's top prize, the Oscar. While the bottom revenue teams in baseball don't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning anything.

    The day MLB brings in full drug testing for all it's 'athletes' and a salary cap so that all teams have the chance to compete on an equal playing field, baseball is about as interesting as the WWE.
    Hello Tech,

    Good explanation, almost. I think you might have gotten Rumples with that except the WWE allusion is a very low blow. Professional Wrestling was never a sport. Even if competitive baseball is very unbalanced and unfair, it is still not staged as is every moment in the WWE, making the WWE irrelevant...unless you are into sweaty over-built semi-nude men acting...lol.

    Really,

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    Last edited by Merlot; 03-14-2009 at 10:33 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Techman
    While the bottom revenue teams in baseball don't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning anything.
    Do the Tampa Bay Rays mean anything to you Tech? I'm pretty sure they played in last years World Series and are always amongst the leaders with the lowest payroll.

    Plus you can get a ticket to a Rays game for less than a movie ticket in Montreal.
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    There's always exceptions to everything now and then, SK. The Yankees have been in the 'World Series' (which strangely includes no teams from the rest of the world) 6 times in the last 14 years since the strike, winning four of them. Think they would have been there if not for their unlimited budget?

    Merlot, you're right...I shouldn't have compared MLB to the WWE. I think the WWE has a better anti drug policy and besides, it isn't cheating when the outcome is predetermined. I should actually have compared them to the Tour de France most of the top stars there are also performance enhanced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Techman
    There's always exceptions to everything now and then, SK
    Yes, there are exceptions. The exception in the last 8 years is the Red Sox as they are the only high payroll team to win the World Series in that period. If you look at who has appeared in the Serious in this period, you don't see the Yankees, you don't see the Mets, you don't see the Dodgers. You see Detroit, St. Louis, Chicago White Sox, Tampa Bay Rays.

    While I certainly don't approve of PEDs, the simple fact is that the book is out as to whether or not they actually improve performance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raver
    I was once a big fan, but I have not watched a game since the Expos left town.
    Some of us still miss the Royals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rumpleforeskiin
    While I certainly don't approve of PEDs, the simple fact is that the book is out as to whether or not they actually improve performance.

    I think the correlation is CLEAR, while PEDs are not talent in a syringe, what they do is allow a baseball player to be at or near 100% all season, in a very long and grueling season. Barry Bonds was able to be Barry Bonds every day, not fatiguing down the stretch when pitchers arms are tiring.
    Steroids and HGH promote healing, allow for more frequent workouts, more efficient work out, and less recovery in between workouts. When taken in moderation, they will extend a playing career enough to compile HOF worthy stats, = R. Palmiero, I. Rodriguez, R. Clemens... When abused they can shorten careers = McGwire, Juan Gonzalez, Mo Vaughn.
    On the field, some players have talked about better vision, Bonds won 2 batting titles on the clear and cream. It allows for quicker bat-speed, perhaps the most important aspect of hitting a baseball, reducing the read n react time with a faster bat through the hitting zone.
    What about the psychological edge? Ken Caminiti, who once said "I have made many mistakes, steroids is not one of them", he talked about believing he was 8ft tall and bulletproof at the plate.
    Steroids dont teach talent, but I think the evidence suggests that they can turn average players into good, good into great, great into superstar, and superstar to legendary.
    It never bothered me that a player just trying to make the squad, or remain on squad might turn to the juice for an edge, or even established players trying to get through the season, or sign that next deal. What does bother me is when the cream of the crop abuses steroids and HGH, Bonds and Clemens went overboard, its like the smartest kid in the class stealing the answers to the exam, and then not getting a few wrong to deflect attention away. I noticed nobody really cared when Greg Zaun, Dave Martinez or Troy Glaus was linked
    The list of players linked to Steroids will grow, it was far more rampant than what we know about, the Dominican academies have been milking MLB scouts for a while now, there are stories about "protein shakes" given to the prospects in the DR, forged birth records etc... David Ortiz even said that he cant be sure that he never took anything shady, because he never asked whats in the supplements he was given in Domican leagues.
    So imagine a player like Bonds with all of the skills, a 5 tool guy, (ok weak throwing arm but 8 gold gloves), near perfect plate mechanics, he knew how to do anything, just imagine him bigger, stronger and faster with the same mental skill set he already had = legendary.
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    allways loved the expos and kansas city royals in the AL, unfortunately i never got to see les expos in person, that wouldve been great to see them at olympic stadium! ,, now i follow the nationals and royals

    an interesting sidenote, ive allways lived in syracuse ny, our team has been the blue jays aaa team for years, but this year it became the nationals team, pretty cool now there will be a team i actually care about

    ive been wondering also with all the games theyve been doing outside the country (mexico,japan,china etc),, if maybe the nationals may play a few games back in montreal sometime, i brought this up on the nationals board, someone says they believe that the baseball field/turf was sold, so theres no way baseball could be played there now unless new turf was bought,, anyone know if thats true?

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