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    Pope condemns condoms,

    is placed on bad client list.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7952829.stm

    What do you think?
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    Completely unrealistic but expected.

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    Hard to figure out how the pope sleeps at night after announcing this on his trip to HIV/Aids ravaged countries in Africa. It's a toss up between him and all the ayatollahs as to who makes the best case against organized religion.

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    Lire une pareille nouvelle me donne sérieusement envie d'avoir recours à l'apostasie.

    (Sorry for the French post in an English thread but I don't know how you say "apostasie" in English)

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    Quote Originally Posted by La Femme
    Lire une pareille nouvelle me donne sérieusement envie d'avoir recours à l'apostasie.

    (Sorry for the French post in an English thread but I don't know how you say "apostasie" in English)
    Almost the same: apostate - to forsake one's own religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Regular Guy
    Almost the same: apostate - to forsake one's own religion.
    Ah!

    Thank you.

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    Pour avoir évaluer le travail de plusieurs organisations caritatives et des OMG. L'Église Catholique et la Saint Siège connaissent très bien la situation en Afrique. Certains pays, les organisations catholiques représentent près de 25% des associations s'occupant des malades.

    L'enjeu pour le pape n'est pas juste la santé physique des individus, mais le bien être moral. C'est pourquoi que l'application d'une grille éthique occidentale, libérale et matérialiste a très peu de sens lorsque nous jugeons la citation du pape.

    Pour mettre en contexte la position du pape, que peu de personnes ont peut être lu:

    Notez ce que j'ai mis entre les étoiles:

    "Question - Votre Sainteté, parmi les nombreux maux qui affligent l'Afrique, il y a également en particulier celui de la diffusion du sida. La position de l'Eglise catholique sur la façon de lutter contre celui-ci est souvent considérée comme n'étant pas réaliste et efficace. Affronterez-vous ce thème au cours du voyage ?

    Benoît XVI - Je dirais le contraire : je pense que la réalité la plus efficace, la plus présente sur le front de la lutte contre le sida est précisément l'Eglise catholique, avec ses mouvements, avec ses différentes réalités. Je pense à la Communauté de Sant'Egidio qui accomplit tant, de manière visible et aussi invisible, pour la lutte contre le sida, aux Camilliens, à toutes les religieuses qui sont à la disposition des malades... Je dirais qu'on ne peut pas surmonter ce problème du sida **uniquement** avec des slogans publicitaires. Si on n'y met pas l'âme, si on n'aide pas les Africains, on ne peut pas résoudre ce fléau par la **simple** distribution de préservatifs : au contraire, le risque est d'augmenter le problème.

    La solution ne peut se trouver que dans un double engagement : le premier, une humanisation de la sexualité, c'est-à-dire un renouveau spirituel et humain qui apporte avec soi une nouvelle manière de se comporter l'un avec l'autre, et le deuxième, une véritable amitié également et surtout pour les personnes qui souffrent, la disponibilité, même au prix de sacrifices, de renoncements personnels, à être proches de ceux qui souffrent. Tels sont les facteurs qui aident et qui conduisent à des progrès visibles. Je dirais donc cette double force de renouveler l'homme intérieurement, de donner une force spirituelle et humaine pour un juste comportement à l'égard de son propre corps et de celui de l'autre, et cette capacité de souffrir avec ceux qui souffrent, de rester présents dans les situations d'épreuve. Il me semble que c'est la juste réponse, et c'est ce que fait l'Eglise, offrant ainsi une contribution très grande et importante. Nous remercions tous ceux qui le font."
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    Quote Originally Posted by La Femme
    Lire une pareille nouvelle me donne sérieusement envie d'avoir recours à l'apostasie.

    (Sorry for the French post in an English thread but I don't know how you say "apostasie" in English)
    Quote Originally Posted by Regular Guy
    Almost the same: apostate - to forsake one's own religion.
    Actually, the exact English translation of the French noun "apostasie" is apostasy. "Apostate" is an adjective or a noun.


    apostasy   /əˈpɒstəsi/ [uh-pos-tuh-see]

    –noun, plural -sies. a total desertion of or departure from one's religion, principles, party, cause, etc.


    apostate   /əˈpɒsteɪt, -tɪt/ [uh-pos-teyt, -tit]

    –noun 1. a person who forsakes his religion, cause, party, etc.

    –adjective 2. of or characterized by apostasy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sybaritic
    is placed on bad client list.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7952829.stm

    What do you think?
    Well,

    This is a perfect example of principles that ignore reality. What else would he say. He has Church doctrine to promote and Africa has it's monumental problem to deal with. While the Catholic Church and many others have seen nobility in suffering maybe God will forgive Africans if they choose not to spread this plague and suffer so much for the sake of this principle or nobility.

    So be it,

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    What a surprise, the Pope prefers to bareback his Alter Boys.

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    The Pope can just go and fu$& himself !!

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    The problem is that the Church is more interested in the application of religious dogma than in the actual people affected. This has actually been a rough month for the Vatican who have been facing two "scandals". This one about the ill advised comment about condom use (condom = contraception = bad!) and in Brazil where the local Bishop excommunicated the mother and the doctors who performed an abortion on a 9 y/o girl (pregnant with twins) victim of rape because the likelyhood of both the girl and the babies surviving a birth was pretty slim.

    The good news is that the Church's absolutist stance on contraception and abortion is now not only being challenged outside the Church but from within the Church itself.

    Two cardinals in Europe this week separately spoke of a hypothetical situation in which use of a condom might be justified: when a woman must have sex with someone who is infected with HIV and therefore must protect herself.

    And in Mexico City, a bishop said at a news conference Friday that condom use could be a "lesser evil" if employed to prevent AIDS. "If someone is incapable of controlling their instincts . . . then they should do whatever is necessary in order not to infect others," said Felipe Arizmendi, bishop of San Cristobal de las Casas, in far southern Mexico.

    The comments followed months of ferment in the church over how to approach AIDS prevention. Last year, the Catholic Agency for Overseas Development (CAFOD) published a paper urging a range of methods to fight AIDS.

    "For many in Africa and Asia, sex is often the only commodity people have to exchange for food, school fees, exam results, employment or survival itself in situations of violence," the paper said. "Any strategy that enables a person to move from a higher-risk towards the lower end of the continuum, CAFOD believes, is a valid risk reduction strategy."

    "But if we are dealing with someone or a situation in which clearly persons are going to act in harmful ways, say, a prostitute who is going to continue her activities, then one might say, 'Stop. But if you are not going to, at least do this,' " said Luno, who is an adviser to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, a Vatican department charged with safeguarding orthodoxy.

    One possible avenue for a new condom policy would be a "lesser-of-two-evils" approach. In this regard, condoms could be approved as a means of reducing the instance of danger or sin in cases where someone is bent on having extramarital sex or sex with a spouse while infected with HIV.

    Rodriguez Luno -- without endorsing a new policy -- placed the issue in the context of the Ten Commandments. Sex outside of marriage already breaks the Sixth Commandment, which forbids adultery, he said. "Infecting someone with AIDS would also mean sinning against the Fifth Commandment -- you shall not kill," he said. "Condoms would diminish that danger."
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    Last edited by JustBob; 03-25-2009 at 08:06 PM.

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    It's interesting to note that this "lesser of two evils" approach has also been mentionned in the case of abortion. And not by a nobody but by Archbishop Rino Fisichella, an ethicist who heads the Pontifical Academy of Life:

    The church says it cannot decide to save the fetus over the pregnant woman any more that it can decide to save the pregnant woman over the fetus. However futile or preordained the outcome might be, one must follow a course of action that tries to save both.

    While this has a certain philosophical elegance, it is a death sentence for the woman.

    Fisichella understands and seems to accept this position. He reaffirms that abortion is an “intrinsically wicked act” but suggests that under certain circumstances it might be the lesser of two evils. He accepts that the girl's life was in danger and asks the important ethical question: how are we to act in such a case? It is, he says, “an arduous decision for the physician and for the moral law.” He goes on: “The conscience of the physician finds itself alone when forced to decide the best thing to do.” Is he suggesting that in spite of the church’s position that objectively abortion is always wrong, the individual has some latitude in deciding when it might be the lesser of two evils and a physician might subjectively in good conscience decide that abortion was morally justified in extreme cases? And, what I ask is an extreme case.

    While in the Archbishop’s mind abortion rarely presents a life against life dilemma, the fact that he acknowledges any moral discretion for physicians is extremely important. In a Latin American context, where abortion is increasingly being decriminalized (Mexico City, Colombia in the last two years) physicians are carefully considering their options. In much of the developing world the situation faced by the young Brazilian child is not so rare. More than a half million women a year die in childbirth; some from botched abortions, but many because they could not get an abortion in high risk pregnancies. If doctors had some sense that some, high in the hierarchy, recognized that these situations are moral dilemmas in which conscience must decide what is right or wrong, they might decide that they can provide abortion services. And of course this is what Cardinal Cardoso Sobrinho (of Brazil) wants to prevent.
    Now for the Catholic Church to depart from their absolutist stance and introduce the concept of moral dilemna into such hot issues as contraception and abortion is bound to produce outcry and heated debate from the ultra conservatives in the Church. But the fact is that Archbishop Fisichella has unlocked a door through which women, doctors and policy makers might be able to creep.
    Last edited by JustBob; 03-25-2009 at 08:12 PM.

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    The Pope's a dick.

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    Is any SP here ready to fuck the Pope without a condom?
    I am never going to see that SP EVER.

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