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    Thumbs up GM retailers will close in Quebec

    Hi all
    lots of good people will lose jobs soon !

    GM has 148 retailers here in Quebec, including 28 in the Montreal metropolitain region. (Ten are on Montreal Island, 10 on the South Shore, six on the North Shore and two in Laval). GM won't say how many it will close across the province but if the company were to apply its Canada-wide closure rate of 42 per cent to Quebec it would mean the demise of 62.

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    According to Sources 70 of the 129 GM dealers in Quebec will be closing. That is 57%. Lots of rumors out there about which ones have received letters. If anyone knows of any confirmations it will be interesting to list.

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    That cannot be good for business... anyone's business

    not just those whose client list includes GM or GM employees but all the companies who depended on companies that were GM dependant will be affected also

    In other words, I not only lost my GM employees as clients, but the small independent business men who depended on a couple of dealers for business also (for example.)

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    It's sad for the dealers, that's a given. Some of the ones hit have been in the business probably almost 50 years. The options for them will be to go to a different banner (doubtful since there's not much expansion by any majors lately), go to selling used cars or simply close-down...

    What's sad is some of the reason this situation occurs. One of the big cause? UNIONS! When you have peoples paid $40/hr to do manual labour that shouldn't be paid more than $15-$20, it certainly doesn't help! $40/hr was the salary of some of the GM and Chrysler line-workers.

    Now that the have a knife on the throat, unions just agreed to pay cut averaging $16/hr. The reduction itself is the average salary for a lot of peoples. That says a lot about the original salary and how much money they are still making! Peoples at GM/Chrysler were paid, in some instances, twice the salary, if not more, than somebody from Toyota doing the same job and, it's not because the Toyota peoples are underpaid. We're talking about peoples working in North America too, not comparing to Asia or Mexico.

    It will be hard for these peoples too but, they must realise they had it extremely good before and now, they must join the real world.
    Last edited by metoo4; 05-23-2009 at 05:21 PM.

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    There is also one major contributor to GM's demise that everyone is forgetting. In an ever changing market GM did not focus their efforts on the right place. Instead of working on their cars they were focused on their gas guzzling SUVs and trucks. With gas being so expensive it made no sense. But now is a little bit too late and their name is tainted. I doubt they will ever recover. Now they want to bring the Camaro back but is too late for that. Another thing is that they also need to work on quality. They consistently lag behind their Japanese competitors in reliability. When will the Big Three learn? Apparently never even at near bankruptcy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by naughtylady

    In other words, I not only lost my GM employees as clients, but the small independent business men who depended on a couple of dealers for business also (for example.)

    Ronnie,
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    I doubt everyone effected by these cuts are quiting the business...some are just curtailing their activities and seeing a smaller group of providers. This is a well talked about subject on the fkk board/scene. Lots of guys still showing up to the club but instead of seeing 3 or 4 girls, they are only going with once to the room. Now if the price was back at the rates 5 years ago (140), you might find guys cutting corners elsewhere in their budget and keep up their normal escort pace.
    Last edited by breadman; 05-23-2009 at 07:29 PM.

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    The Unions are the ones who pushed the major 3 car manufacturers to not expand their R & D, how could they when they pay those ridiculous salaries. Had the salaries been in line with the say Japanese or Europeen manufacturers, maybe more money would have been put in R & D to develop better vehicules. It's unfortunate but also gratifying for me to see this happen. Unions have become too powerful and demand way to much. The money these workers would have had in hand, after taxes and unions dues is probably the same as if they were getting paid the wages that the Japanese manufacturers pay their employees.

    I'm happy to see the North American Unions take their hit.
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    Unhappy futures of the working class

    Hi all

    all of this started wen the gaz liter passed the 1$ . GAZ GUZLERS SUV'S
    every thing u use in each & every-day was / or uses gaz in its making,transport,retailed out-lets.

    i know 2 off the 10 GM montreal dealers are closing
    2 friends are working in those (cut by GM)

    very sad

    check on Google news for some closing's on GM Dealer names comming up every day!

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    Quote Originally Posted by breadman
    I doubt everyone effected by these cuts are quiting the business...some are just curtailing their activities and seeing a smaller group of providers. This is a well talked about subject on the fkk board/scene. Lots of guys still showing up to the club but instead of seeing 3 or 4 girls, they are only going with once to the room. Now if the price was back at the rates 5 years ago (140), you might find guys cutting corners elsewhere in their budget and keep up their normal escort pace.

    It still represents a lot of people on pogey!

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    not to change the thread but since you said it i wanted to comment on it, i wasnt around when the rates were $140/hr, if they were that rate now, i undoubtedly believe guys would end up spending more $ even tho the rates hourly would be cheaper..... kinda like the all you can eat buffet places, you really dont wanna stuff yourself, but since you feel your getting a great deal, you go ahead and do so...... kinda hard to explain but i am sure some will get my drift

    in other words a client might OVER INDULGE because he thinks he is saving money due to the cheaper rates, so why not see the SP for an "extra" hour or even see an "extra" SP when normoally his hobby habit wouldnt allow him to do so, its kinda like getting sent a subliminal message so to speak



    Quote Originally Posted by breadman
    I doubt everyone effected by these cuts are quiting the business...some are just curtailing their activities and seeing a smaller group of providers. This is a well talked about subject on the fkk board/scene. Lots of guys still showing up to the club but instead of seeing 3 or 4 girls, they are only going with once to the room. Now if the price was back at the rates 5 years ago (140), you might find guys cutting corners elsewhere in their budget and keep up their normal escort pace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOne
    The Unions are the ones who pushed the major 3 car manufacturers to not expand their R & D, how could they when they pay those ridiculous salaries. Had the salaries been in line with the say Japanese or Europeen manufacturers, maybe more money would have been put in R & D to develop better vehicules. It's unfortunate but also gratifying for me to see this happen. Unions have become too powerful and demand way to much. The money these workers would have had in hand, after taxes and unions dues is probably the same as if they were getting paid the wages that the Japanese manufacturers pay their employees.

    I'm happy to see the North American Unions take their hit.
    Right,

    Yes, salaries are too high, but that hardly begins to account for the stupidity of the big three American automakers in their failure to make the kind of product that would stay in reasonable demand and compete with foreign car-makers in tough times, instead of investing so much of their planning and financial commitment in big SUVs that are so costly to own for most consumers. You can blame the unions to a point, but the key mistake was strategic planning on what to produce. The auto-makers thought short term in producing SUVs for the large profits per unit, instead of looking long range and planning for a future market that was pretty foreseeable. If the details of this documentary below are true, then those in control of GM helped kill off a one possible savior.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Kil...lectric_Car%3F

    So "Greed" for immediate larger profits...is NOT good.

    Insane,

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    Last edited by Merlot; 05-24-2009 at 01:04 AM.

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    One more problems with American car manufacturers: How many divisions are there for each make and how many models? Even GM dealers can't tell of the top of their heads how many models they sold over the last 10-15 years! The american phylosophy: let's make a ton of models so, even if it's mostly crap, some peoples will buy...

    • GM:
      • Pontiac
        1. Vibe
        2. G6
        3. G8
        4. G3
        5. G5
        6. Solstice
        7. Torrent
      • Buick
        1. LaCrosse
        2. Enclave
        3. Lucerne
      • Oldsmobile (dropped not long ago)
      • Cadillac
        1. Escalade
        2. CTS
        3. CTS-V
        4. STS V6
        5. STS-V
        6. Escalade Hybrid
        7. DTS
        8. SRX Crossover
        9. XLR
        10. XLR-V
        11. STS
        12. Escalade EXT
        13. Escalade ESV

        That's 13 luxury vehicules!!
      • Chevrolet
        1. Traverse
        2. Malibu
        3. Silverado
        4. Cobalt sedan
        5. Cobalt Coupe
        6. Malibu Hybrid
        7. Thaoe Hybrid
        8. Corvette ZR1
        9. Corvette coupe
        10. Corvette convertible
        11. Corvette Z06
        12. HHR
        13. Suburban 1/2 ton
        14. Suburban 3/4 ton
        15. Silverado 3500HD
        16. Colorado
        17. Express Cargo 2500
        18. Express Cargo 3500
        19. Express passenger 2500
        20. Express passenger 3500
        21. Express passenger 1500
        22. Express Cargo 1500
        23. Trailblazer
        24. Equinox
        25. Avalanche
        26. Impala
        27. Silverado 2500HD
        28. Silverado Hybrid
        29. Thaoe
        30. Aveo 4 doors
        31. Aveo 5 doors
        32. Camaro

        That's an incredible 32 vehicles!! Lots of new models and the dropped list is even bigger. And there's still 4 divisions to go!
      • Saab
      • Saturn
      • GMC
      • Hummers


    Now, let's see Honda

    Honda
    • Honda
      1. Accord coupe
      2. Accord Sedan
      3. Civic coupe
      4. Civic Hybrid
      5. Civic sedan
      6. CR-V
      7. Element
      8. Insight
      9. Fit
      10. Odissey
      11. Pilot
      12. Ridgeline
      13. S2000

      Most models exist since many years. Only the Prelude and CRX were ever dropped, The Civic replaced the very early 1976 CVCC.
    • Accura
      1. CSX
      2. TSX
      3. TL
      4. RL
      5. RDX
      6. MDX


    Better do less stuff and do it right, while keeping in touch with the reality.
    Last edited by metoo4; 05-24-2009 at 01:32 AM.

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    I don't at all agree that the demise of the North Am automakers had anything to do with the factory workers' salaries. German workers are, in fact, paid more per hour. Salaries account for less than 7% of the retail price of the cars. Cutting salaries by even 30% only changes the cost to the consumer by 2%. I don't believe that more than a tiny proportion of those who buy foreign cars would switch to domestic if prices were reduced by 2% on the latter.

    I was listening to a talk show about cars on Vermont Public Radio. The commentators asserted that domestic manufacturers reduced the weight of their cars by, for example, using thinner glass for the windshields. In contrast, German cars are both more powerful and use less gas than 10 years ago.

    The same management whose poor decisions have resulted in a glut of gas guzzlers, hacks to reduce gas mileage etc. are now consuming their own workers as scapegoats.

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    GM has had issues but Toyota builds as many SUV's as GM does so that is not a factor. Employee salaries and benefits in the US are definitely an issue.

    Hey, Moby,

    Which Montreal dealers are suppose to close according to your friends? I have heard so many rumors that I can't keep up.

    I heard Clermont Chev. was closing and then I see 3 brothers in the gazette claiming they are not.

    I also heard that Hamel Pontiac on Lacordaire.

    also Le Relais Chev on Papineau...

    Can anyone confirm any of these?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poulemeister
    GM has had issues but Toyota builds as many SUV's as GM does so that is not a factor.
    Let's see...

    GM's SUV:
    1. Pontiac Torrent
    2. Buick Enclave
    3. Cadillac Escalade
    4. Cadillac SRX
    5. Chevrolet Traverse
    6. Chevrolet Silverado
    7. Chevrolet Thaoe
    8. Chevrolet HHR
    9. Chevrolet Colorado
    10. Chevrolet Trailblazer
    11. Chevrolet Equinox
    12. Chevrolet Avalanche
    13. Chevrolet Suburban
    14. Saab 97x
    15. Saturn Vue
    16. Saturn Outlook
    17. GMC Acadia
    18. GMC Sierra
    19. GMC Yukon
    20. GMC Canyon
    21. GMC Terrain
    22. GMC Envoy
    23. Hummer H3
    24. Hummer H2

    I voluntary left-out the full size passenger/cargo vans.

    Now, let's see Toyota:
    1. Toyota Rav4
    2. Toyota Sienna
    3. Toyota Highlander
    4. Toyota FJ Cruiser
    5. Toyota 4Runner
    6. Toyota Sequoya
    7. Toyota Tacoma
    8. Toyota Tundra
    9. Lexus LX
    10. Lexus GX
    11. Lexus RX


    So, 11 Toyotas is about the same number as 24 GMs, right?

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