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    Airbus Are Falling From The Sky, Like Flies

    Tragic , but true.

    Airbus calculated that it is cheaper to have computers fly the planes than training the pilots.

    Money talks, and death walks.


    http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/...ash/index.html
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    Airplanes (Airbus) Are Falling From The Sky, Like Flies ????

    Quote Originally Posted by centaurus

    Airbus Are Falling From The Sky, Like Flies

    Tragic , but true.

    Airbus calculated that it is cheaper to have computers fly the planes than training the pilots.

    Money talks, and death walks.


    http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/...ash/index.html

    I finally reached the 100 posts milestone. What a great achievement. ! 100+ pure zingers.

    Airplanes (Airbus) Are Falling From The Sky, Like Flies ???? I think the board needs an editor

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    Quote Originally Posted by centaurus
    Tragic , but true.

    Airbus calculated that it is cheaper to have computers fly the planes than training the pilots.

    Money talks, and death walks.


    http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/...ash/index.html
    Aircraft have been flying themselves for years. it is not a financial consideration, the complexity of modern craft is far greater than a flight crew can handle. Boeing, Airbus, Bombardier (Canadair) all do it. Shocking to most, especially those "sophisticated" hicks on charter flights who applaud then the airplane touches down at Trudeau when they are back from their $475 all-in trip to Varadero, FBW and other technologies are used, particularly on take-off and landing.

    Quote Originally Posted by centaurus
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    Zingers = debatable, math = fail. If you reached the 100 post 'plateau' than you clearly did not have 100+ zingers or however else someone might typify your posting. Duh. Nevertheless, you are proud of this accomplishment. Here's hoping it makes its way into your resumé.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JLB
    Airplanes (Airbus) Are Falling From The Sky, Like Flies ???? I think the board needs an editor
    Maybe where he lives flies don't fly and just fall?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mod 9
    Maybe where he lives flies don't fly and just fall?
    Modern flies are lazy wimps, overrated. The oldtimers were great flies. Avoiding glue strips and sprays to get to their destination.
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    Wasn't really paying attention but I was listening to a newscast where an african man, who said he got off the plane, was mentioning that the plane was packed with people everywhere.

    now if the plane looked something like this, no wonder it crashed.
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    How many Airbus of all kind are flying around the world again? Falling like flies? I don't think so!

    Many of these planes are probably not well-maintained and are approaching the age where problems start showing, exactly like any car that isn't maintained properly. If the operator doesn't invest in maintenance, that's not the plane's problem.

    Pure "Fly-by-wire" planes are quite new. Even for Airbus. It's only present in newer models, circa 2006 if I'm right. It's been around since ages with military planes. Fighter planes could not be flown by a human unassisted by a computer because they are designed to be unstable and a human could never react fast enough to prevent a crash.

    The pure "fly-by-wire" planes are planes where the control commands have no physical contacts with the control surfaces of the wings.

    On older planes, the control surfaces are linked to the "stick" and "pedals" by steel cables or hydraulics and can still work to a certain degree if the computers fail.

    With a pure "fly-by-wire", the controls are connected to A FEW computers, not just one, who in turn control A FEW, not one servo-motors and actuators. The electrical systems for these flight-critical systems is usually doubled, if not tripled.

    Some older planes (almost all line aircrafts) are a mix of "fly-by-wire" and old-style hydraulics/cables systems. The "autopilot" work in parallel with the direct controls, and can always be overpowered by the pilot's physical strength yet, the autopilot can fly and land the plane on it's own. My fun when I travel is to find-out when the pilot land in "automatic" or manually. If possible, I ask him when exiting and I'm usually right!

    In true"fly-by-wire" or hybrid systems, there's some mecanisms allowing overpowering in a sense where, if the plane detects a command from the pilot that contredict it's program, the pilot will be given the option to override.

    More than often with the newer hybrid or true fly-by-wire", in a case where a perfectly-good airplane crashes, it will be a case where the pilot didn't believe what the airplane was saying or just didn't notice for some odd reason and, knowingly or not, he overpowered the plane's decision. It's sometimes the result of a misunderstanding of the different "modes" used by the autopilot, causing the pilot to try have the airplane do something the autopilot can't do in the selected "mode" and the pilot not noticing what's happening.

    If you read the NTSB reports, it's amazing to see how many of the crashes were caused by compounding errore, one on top of another, either caused by the pilot's lack of confidence in the plane or the airline's procedures not allowing the pilot to use his brains and only allow him to use a checklist to resolve problems.

    We also have to remember these airplanes are fast so, the time we, sitting on our favorite chair, see as perfectly adequate for troubleshooting a problem is in fact extremely short when you are in an emergency situation. I know because I've been there, in the middle of nowhere, no roads or runways, engine shuddering madly... It took me maybe 2 minutes to realize I had ice in the carburator but these 2 minutes didn't seemed that long... 2 minutes can make the difference between a totally frozen carb and just open enough so the engine generate enough heat to melt the ice.
    Last edited by metoo4; 06-30-2009 at 08:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mod 9
    Maybe where he lives flies don't fly and just fall?
    ah excellent reasoning ! But how did the fly get into the sky ??

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    The problem with Airbus is that it's French.

    I only fly Made in America -Boeing.

    May God bless America and nobody else.


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    Quote Originally Posted by centaurus
    The problem with Airbus is that it's French.

    I only fly Made in America -Boeing.

    May God bless America and nobody else.
    Centaurus, I hope you realize how unproductive this statement is? If the Americans were the only peoples on earth and evolution depended on them, we'd be faaaaar behind...

    This kind of reasoning only encourage mediocrity. Not that the Americans are unable to do anything good, they are able to do great stuff but, they aren't alone to be able to do so and, rejecting something because of patriotism, without paying attention to what others have to offer is simply ridiculous.

    Look at cars: if the Japanese/Europeans didn't appeared on the north-American market, we would still be stuck with huge gas guzzlers who break every 1000 miles or less.

    American cars aren't to the level of quality of Japanese/European cars yet but they are getting there because they have no choice since Japanese/Europeans are forcing them to do so! Don't count on a competition between GM, Chrysler and Ford, that's a competition to only try not to do worst than the others, not a competition to do better!

    Same with Boeing; they have Airbus pushing them in the ass all the time, if not in front of them throwing dirt so, they must move forward. Same with Bombardier and Embraer! Without worthy competition, it's stagnation in the world we live in.
    Last edited by metoo4; 07-01-2009 at 02:04 AM.

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    Centaurus ! please get yourself educated on crash statistics.
    It will help you sleep better ...a little

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    Quote Originally Posted by metoo4
    Pure "Fly-by-wire" planes are quite new. Even for Airbus. It's only present in newer models, circa 2006 if I'm right. It's been around since ages with military planes.
    1981. A320.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraf...ontrol_systems
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    Quote Originally Posted by centaurus
    The problem with Airbus is that it's French.

    I only fly Made in America -Boeing.

    May God bless America and nobody else.


    p.s: 107 zingers, and counting.
    The problem with Centaurus is that he doesn't know WTF he is talking about. The latest figures, for this century are ...

    Boeing: 49
    Airbus: 10

    http://airdisaster.com/

    But hey, let's not let facts get in the way of blather.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouVantOption
    I don't see 1981 in the link you mentionned but I see 1988 here!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A320_flight_control

    We're both wrong but you're closer! Damn. that makes me feel old! I was certain in was in 2000-something! But thinking of it, it didn't make sense since Airbus A380's first commercial flight was in 2007.
    Last edited by metoo4; 07-04-2009 at 04:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metoo4
    I don't see 1981 in the link you mentionned but I see 1988 here!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A320_flight_control

    We're both wrong but you're closer! Damn. that makes me feel old! I was certain in was in 2000-something! But thinking of it, it didn't make sense since Airbus A380's first commercial flight was in 2007.
    A320 100 series came out in 1981 - that was the first FBW aircraft. They had prior models that used FBW, partially.
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