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    Bill Clinton comes through once again!!

    America is so fortunate to count on this political superhero

    North Korean President Kim Jong Il has pardoned and ordered the release of two U.S. journalists, state-run news agency KCNA said Wednesday.
    President Clinton met Tuesday with North Korea leader Kim Jong Il.

    The announcement came after former U.S. President Bill Clinton met with top North Korean officials in Pyongyang to appeal for the release of Laura Ling and Euna Lee, who had been arrested while reporting from the border between North Korea and China.

    "Clinton expressed words of sincere apology to Kim Jong Il for the hostile acts committed by the two American journalists against the DPRK after illegally intruding into it," the news agency reported. "Clinton courteously conveyed to Kim Jong Il an earnest request of the U.S. government to leniently pardon them and send them back home from a humanitarian point of view.

    "The meetings had candid and in-depth discussions on the pending issues between the DPRK and the U.S. in a sincere atmosphere and reached a consensus of views on seeking a negotiated settlement of them."

    The report said Clinton then conveyed a message from President Obama "expressing profound thanks for this and reflecting views on ways of improving the relations between the two countries."

    It added, "The measure taken to release the American journalists is a manifestation of the DPRK's humanitarian and peace-loving policy.

    "The DPRK visit of Clinton and his party will contribute to deepening the understanding between the DPRK and the U.S. and building the bilateral confidence."

    DPRK is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, the nation's official name.

    The two American journalists had been held in the reclusive communist nation since their arrest in March.

    A statement from their families was posted Tuesday on the Web site lauraandeuna.com:

    "The families of Laura Ling and Euna Lee are overjoyed by the news of their pardon. We are so grateful to our government: President Obama, Secretary Clinton and the U.S. State Department for their dedication to and hard work on behalf of American citizens. We especially want to thank President Bill Clinton for taking on such an arduous mission and Vice President Al Gore for his tireless efforts to bring Laura and Euna home."

    Earlier in the day, White House Secretary Robert Gibbs said Clinton was on a "solely private mission to secure the release of two Americans."

    Ling and Lee are reporters for California-based Current TV -- a media venture launched by Clinton's former vice president, Al Gore.

    The two were sentenced in June to 12 years in prison on charges of entering the country illegally to conduct a smear campaign. Since the United States has no diplomatic relations with North Korea, efforts to resolve the issue had been handled through Sweden, which represents U.S. interests in North Korea.

    The visit by the former president, whose wife, Hillary Clinton, is now the Obama administration's secretary of state, came about three weeks after the United States dropped a request that Ling and Lee be released on humanitarian grounds. Instead, the United States was seeking amnesty for the women, Hillary Clinton said. Video Watch what may lie behind the pick of Bill Clinton »

    A plea for amnesty implies forgiveness for some offense, which could have given North Korea the chance to release the women without feeling that its legal system had been slighted, according to analyst Mike Chinoy, an Edgerton senior fellow on Asia at the Pacific Council on International Policy in Los Angeles.

    Prior to the release, Chinoy said, "I suspect that it was made pretty clear in advance that Bill Clinton would be able to return with these two women, otherwise it would be a terrible loss of face for him."

    Clinton's mission came as the United States and its allies in the region are seeking to push North Korea back into stalled nuclear disarmament talks. North Korea conducted a nuclear bomb test, its second, in May, and has conducted several missile tests since then. The United Nations responded to those tests by tightening and expanding sanctions on the nation.

    North Korea and the United States were on opposite sides in the 1950-1953 Korean War and had no regular contacts before a 1994 crisis over North Korea's nuclear program. North Korea agreed at that time to halt the development of nuclear weapons, but abandoned that accord and withdrew from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty in 2003.
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    Clinton had considered visiting North Korea in 2000, near the end of his second term as president. His secretary of state, Madeleine Albright, went to Pyongyang in early 2000 to meet with Kim.

    The 67-year-old North Korean leader was widely reported to have suffered a stroke a year ago and is believed to be grooming his youngest son, Kim Jon Un, as his successor.

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapc...ton/index.html

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    I think it s a blow self-publicity of Bill Clinton


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SQ34mPcbeU
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Holliday View Post
    "Clinton expressed words of sincere apology to Kim Jong Il for the hostile acts committed by the two American journalists against the DPRK after illegally intruding into it," the news agency reported. "Clinton courteously conveyed to Kim Jong Il an earnest request of the U.S. government to leniently pardon them and send them back home from a humanitarian point of view.
    Exactly what hostile act did these two journalists commit? They evidently got lost near the border and accidentally ventured into North Korea, although it's not even clear that they were apprehended in North Korean territory. To me, it sends a message that if any foreign nationals come within sniffing distance of the border, they are to be kidnapped, arrested, and charged with some phoney baloney bullshit so that political concessions can be extracted from the USA and maximum propaganda obtained in the subsequent negotiations for release.

    I do not believe that the US government should get involved every single time some nitwit with their own private agenda and not the USA's agenda engages in some reckless adventuring in foreign countries hostile to not only the US but also the rest of the world. Now we have the same situation with a few idiotic journalists who got arrested at the Iranian border after being warned about 10 times by Kurdish authorities not to go into the area where they were caught. At some point individuals need to be accountable for their own fucked up choices.

    The only reason Clinton got personally involved is because these two women worked for a media company owned by Al Gore. Otherwise nobody that could have negotiated their release would have given two shits about them.

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    Propaganda Games

    The main point is that these 2 young American women get out of North Korea.
    That is what counts. Good job Pres Bill.

    The North Koreans can play whatever propaganda games they want, no one believes them anyway.

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    Well said EB, but that doesn't take away from the fact that Bill Clinton is still the man

    He knew he'd come home from this looking like a hero...


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    Hello all,

    Apologizing to Kim Jong Il by anyone after the North Korean government and the media made the arrest of Laura Ling and Euna Lee into a very public political test is discomforting. The arrest should never have become the diplomatic event it became. As secretary of State Hillary Clinton suggested, the journalists should just have been deported. Unfortunately the desperate North Korean government seems to need to make use of every opportunity as a political chess piece to leverage against the U.S. and the West, and will continue to play it's diplomatic games no matter how inappropriate or foolish.

    While the U.S. government and it's prestige should not be put in a position of defending and freeing anyone who deliberately takes unreasonable risks for any reason, much less corporate profits, it was necessary to end this episode to remove it as a diplomatic leverage piece by the North Koreans. Having Bill Clinton handle the matter spares the U.S. government from official involvement and removes the episode as a stumbling block to future negotiations.

    However, though the U.S. government did not officially lower itself to Kim Jong Il in this incident, the U.S. government's closeness as represented by Bill Clinton is troubling because of what political rivals like Iran and others may make of the effectiveness of this episode in the future...even if it seems pointless to us.

    Cheers,

    Merlot
    Last edited by Merlot; 08-04-2009 at 08:35 PM.

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    I do sympathize with people caught in this manner, but sometimes I question what they were doing all the way out there to begin with! Recently three Americans were arrested by Iran for crossing the border illegally:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090804/...ined_americans

    The three claimed they were hiking in the mountains and accidentally strayed across the border in an area where it was not marked. I really find that hard to believe, and even if it was true, it sounds like an act of monumental stupidity! Of all the places they could walk around, it just had to be this mountainous border area!

    Generally speaking, some of the poorer countries that cant afford to patrol their entire border lay mines instead and put up signs to warn people. Of course the signs can wither away with time so its never a good idea to go hiking along borders.
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    Rollingstone.

    The 3 were journalists, and this has been conclusively established by their employers. They are the 3 I referred to in my earlier post. They were warned repeatedly by Kurdish authorities not to venture into the area where they were caught. They were pursuing their own private agenda and they and their employers are free to hire whomever they want to extricate themselves from their current situation (such as Iranian lawyers). It is not the problem of the US government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EagerBeaver View Post
    I do not believe that the US government should get involved every single time some nitwit with their own private agenda and not the USA's agenda engages in some reckless adventuring in foreign countries hostile to not only the US but also the rest of the world.

    The only reason Clinton got personally involved is because these two women worked for a media company owned by Al Gore. Otherwise nobody that could have negotiated their release would have given two shits about them.
    Tell that to the girls' families. I'm certain, like the majority of decent people on this planet, that they appreciate what former President Clinton did for them. He stepped up to the plate & hit a grandslam. What a great man he is & its sad that people today do not appreciate his greatness.

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    The report said Clinton then conveyed a message from President Obama "expressing profound thanks for this and reflecting views on ways of improving the relations between the two countries."
    Not bad. North Korea tests ballistic missles and nuclear weapons and all is forgiven because they released two stupid women who shouldn't have been anywhere near there in the first place. That makes lots of sense.

    What a great man he is & its sad that people today do not appreciate his greatness.
    If anyone doubts how great he is all they have to do is ask Monica Lewinsky.
    And the Lord said unto John, "Come forth and receive eternal life." But John came fifth and won a toaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Techman View Post
    If anyone doubts how great he is all they have to do is ask Monica Lewinsky.
    Well, i must admit that his tastes in women aren't that great. Lewinsky, Paula Jones, yech!!!!

    (I guess he didn't have the same tastes in women as JFK....who fucked hundreds of knockouts in his lifetime)

    And he couldn't even get in the sack with Lewinsky....all he got was a couple of lousy blowjobs from this fatty!!

    (However, when you're married to a lesbian, anything or anyone will do, i suppose......)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Holliday View Post
    Tell that to the girls' families. I'm certain, like the majority of decent people on this planet, that they appreciate what former President Clinton did for them. He stepped up to the plate & hit a grandslam. What a great man he is & its sad that people today do not appreciate his greatness.
    Hello Doc,

    EB is being too narrow about why Clinton got involved. It's probably a combination of serving general U.S. interests, the likely impact of his prestige, continuing legacy, and ego. He wasn't a great President, but he was a very good caretaker making the best of a prosperous time. Had he not let the Republican-led Lewinski investigations divert him from destroying Osama and Al Qeada in 1998, and avoided a few other mistakes, he might have been better.

    The truth is, in this case by this time the North Koreans probably figured they had gotten all they could out of their deliberately manufactured incident and were looking for a way out to capitalize as much as they could and save face. It was time, and the prestige of Clinton gave the North Koreans the political points they wanted at the right time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Holliday View Post
    And he couldn't even get in the sack with Lewinsky....all he got was a couple of lousy blowjobs from this fatty!!

    (However, when you're married to a lesbian, anything or anyone will do, i suppose......)
    Okay, ROFLMAO...but it's still LOW!

    Cheers,

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    Last edited by Merlot; 08-05-2009 at 12:12 AM.

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    Obama should have sent them Sarah Palin, get that lunatic Kim Jong Il to fall in love with her, and tell the dictator he can keep her.

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    We get something, they get something. Thats how politics work. What you see up front is the floor show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeff jones View Post
    If he wasn't a great president i don't know who was, times seemed to be pretty good when he was running the ship, to early to tell yet about Obama but Clinton was the best in the last 30 to 40 years, what part of middle class prosperity was it that you didn't like. Clinton got dragged thru the mud for the things he did in his personal life but despite all of this he was one of the most popular presidents ever when he left office so this man did something right. Lets not forget the country was possibly slipping into a recession when Clinton took office
    I have to agree with you Jeff.

    Every president makes mistakes and Clinton made a few big ones, especially in his personal life. When you boil it down however, I don't think many folks could argue that he was not a brilliant statesman. If it were not for the media hammering into his personal affairs, I think he would have been able to get a lot more done. His dalliances were nothing compared to JFK who is somehow much more revered (partly because of how he died)... Clinton, in terms of raw intelligence and political acumen, as well as successful stewardship of the socio-economic climate compares favorably to almost any other president of the past century. Was he perfect? No... Is Obama perfect? No... Will anyone ever be perfect... Probably not.


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