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The only problem I see with it is that they won't be able to make them fast enough to keep up with the demand. Steve Jobs does it again.

Anybody calling this "a $500 netbook" probably can't distinguish a Ford Fiesta from a Mercedes. Steve Jobs has never been afraid to charge more for what he sells; when you make a better product, enough people will buy it.

The only question for me is whether to get the maxIpad or the minIpad.
 
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it's a tablet PC

how successful have those been?

oh yeah, i forgot, the lemmings who buy overpriced Apple crap because of the hype

1 GHz processor, no multi-task, no built-in keyboard, and a contract with AT&T and their crappy coverage

if you like reading some cheap novel, sure go ahead and get one

sorry, didn't know what an important function that was :rolleyes:
 
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Techman,

Thank you for the 2 links : I did have a nice smile with the first (Are they the descendants of Nostradamus or what???..... hahaha... (but just had I always find the pad and other ads for period products so false showing soooo happy women to be in their week... )...

....and I was really surprised to see one of my preferred movie used to show all the weakness of the new Apple gadget. ("Der untergang", german movie rated 18 years old about the last moment of Hitler...)

Have a nice day, thank you for the smile...
 

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Unfortunately for Apple, it's not a 500 buck netbook. At least a netbook runs a full operating system, whatever real programs you want to install, multitasks, has USB connectivity, integrated webcam, a real keyboard, etc...

The iPod has none of these abilities, in fact it's just an iPod Touch for the Jolly Green Giant. It's hardly the 'magical, revolutionary' device that Jobs makes it out to be. Of course that won't stop the brainwashed Mac fans from buying one in droves.

Now this is a machine that I consider to be revolutionary...the Lenovo Ideapad U1:
http://www.gizmag.com/lenovo-ideapad-u1-notebook-tablet/13783/

This is a real computer that runs Windows 7 when the tablet/screen is in place, and the removable tablet section runs a customized version of Linux, and it can multitask and has a built in web cam. When the screen is in it's base unit, the two operating systems will sync their data. This will sell for around 1000 US which is about 50 bucks more than the top of the line iPad with the keyboard dock.

The iPad is just another way for Jobs to get his user base to spend more money at the Apple Apps store which is the only place you can buy any programs for it. No thanks. I prefer to have freedom of choice.
 

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it's a tablet PC

how successful have those been?

oh yeah, i forgot, the lemmings who buy overpriced Apple crap because of the hype

1 GHz processor, no multi-task, no built-in keyboard, and a contract with AT&T and their crappy coverage

if you like reading some cheap novel, sure go ahead and get one

sorry, didn't know what an important function that was :rolleyes:


Yeah... you sound like the people who laughed at the iphone.

I beg to differ. Do you how many Kindles Amazon already sold for $399 or $299? ALL a kindle can do is read books and newspapers etc... This thing can do hundreds of thousands of other things. Who cares if you can't run multiple apps, it's probably just a couple future OS upgrades away anyway... Switching from one app to another on the iphone OS is so much faster than windows. From the moment you think of something you want to do, you will already be finished doing it with an iPad before a normal laptop or netbook is even finished booting up.

When I get one, I'm not going to replace my laptop with it. When I need to crunch numbers or write a 30 page report, I will still use my laptop. When I want to read, play games, watch video, browse the web, and do "fun" stuff, I will use an iPad. When I fly, I'll just slide it into my laptop case and it will be way easier to use on the plane. How can you compare this screen to any netbook? It doesn't compare.

As a correction to your post, AT&T will be offering "no - contract" 3G access, I believe starting at $15/month. Pay as you go... and I am sure we will have the same thing here in Canada.

Reminds me of all the people who laughed at digital photography a few years back, like the rocket scientists who used to run a little company called Kodak. Why would anyone want this? The quality is so low... it doesn't do this and it doesn't do that... oops.

Kodak, which released earnings this week, and has smartened up quite a bit since 2004, currently employs a similar number of people as they did during the 1930s.

So laugh at the iPad. You're not alone and many people will join you.... But, please be sure to check back in here in 3 years for an update.


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The iPad is just another way for Jobs to get his user base to spend more money at the Apple Apps store which is the only place you can buy any programs for it. No thanks. I prefer to have freedom of choice.

I believe Microsoft spent BILLIONS of dollars on legal fees over a decade of antitrust battles in the US and Europe in order to PREVENT you from having freedom of choice (such as the ability to use other browsers other than IE). Of course, they lost, but apparently you're still happy to be part of that user base and spend more money there will Bill and company.

Ironically, Jobs has delivered freedom of choice to many people in other ways. Remember, not so long ago, you had to buy the whole album even though you didn't like most of the songs, in order to get the one or two songs you wanted? Well, itunes solved that problem and now you get the song for $0.99, not $15.95. Doesn't it suck that most people have to pay a big monthly fee to cable or sattelite companies who "control the airwaves" -- even if you just want to watch football games on Sunday, or those one or two shows you like. That's going to change next.

I should also point out that anyone can develop software for the ipad (or iphone). So really, it's just a question of adoption... Companies who make software for PCs can adapt it the the apple devices if they want to... Nothing is stopping them.

I don't really get how the App store is limiting your freedom of choice by only offering one place to buy apps. If the same apps were available to download from Walmart.com for $0.89 vs. $0.99 would that make such a big difference?

I love that apple is big enough now to be "evil".... irony.

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I believe Microsoft spent BILLIONS of dollars on legal fees over a decade of antitrust battles in the US and Europe in order to PREVENT you from having freedom of choice (such as the ability to use other browsers other than IE). Of course, they lost, but apparently you're still happy to be part of that user base and spend more money there will Bill and company.

Ironically, Jobs has delivered freedom of choice to many people in other ways. Remember, not so long ago, you had to buy the whole album even though you didn't like most of the songs, in order to get the one or two songs you wanted? Well, itunes solved that problem and now you get the song for $0.99, not $15.95. Doesn't it suck that most people have to pay a big monthly fee to cable or sattelite companies who "control the airwaves" -- even if you just want to watch football games on Sunday, or those one or two shows you like. That's going to change next.

I should also point out that anyone can develop software for the ipad (or iphone). So really, it's just a question of adoption... Companies who make software for PCs can adapt it the the apple devices if they want to... Nothing is stopping them.

I don't really get how the App store is limiting your freedom of choice by only offering one place to buy apps. If the same apps were available to download from Walmart.com for $0.89 vs. $0.99 would that make such a big difference?

I love that apple is big enough now to be "evil".... irony.

BD

First of all, Microsoft has never prevented any software from being installed under Windows by an end user. Not a browser, email client, photo editing program, text editor, or any other type of software that you could possibly name. You should check your facts before making any claims. Personally, the only Microsoft software on my system is Windows 7 and Office 2010. All my other software is from whatever company makes the program that I feel does the best job for my purposes. And guess what? None of them were prevented from installing by Microsoft.

As for iTunes, it didn't solve any problem. All it did was take advantage of a situation that had already developed on the net of people downloading music for free using the infamous Napster. Until recently, all music downloaded via iTunes could only be played on an iPod due to DRM. That's not exactly freedom. Now you mention video programming...which will only be available to those willing to buy Apple hardware at the usual inflated Apple prices. I do not have either cable or sattelite. I get my HD programming with an OTA antenna which gives me all the programming that interests me... the three major US networks plus Fox, CW, CBC, 7 PBS channels in digital - 2 in HD, as well as the local analog broadcast of CTV. And it's all 100% free. And that isn't about to change.

Now as for programmers being able to program what they want for the iPad, yes they can. As long as they are willing to sell it through the Apple apps store and give Apple their 30% cut. they can't program for Apple iPod, iPhone or iPad and sell it directly like all other software developers do for both the PC and Mac platforms. Apple prevents them from doing so.

You want to know what the big deal is? OK...would you buy a car if you could only have it serviced, buy accessories and buy your gasoline, at whatever inflated price they decide to charge, from the company that built your car? Would you buy a television if you could only buy your programming from the same company and only the programming that was approved by that company? Well that's what you get when you buy into the Apple iP** ecosystem.

For some of your other points...no backlit LED, LCD or even a CRT can compare with a Kindle for reading. Kindle uses something called electronic ink or e-ink for short. It greatly reduces eyestrain and you can read for extended periods of time with no problem, something you cannot do with even the best OLED display on a handheld device.

For watching video, the iPad is outdated due to the fact that it's display is a 4X3 form factor, not a 16X9 widescreen which is standard for watching wide screen movies. If you plan on playing web based games or watching webpage based video, you're also out of luck because the iP** devices do not support Flash and will not for the foreseeable future due to a disagreement between Adobe and Apple which has also led to a lack of any 64 bit software from Adobe, such as Photoshop, being released for the Mac platform.

And the lack of multitasking will not be addressed by a simple software upgrade because the custom procesor that Apple has developed for the iPad is not able to multitask.

The most important omissions are that of a webcam, no onboard USB ports - so you can't directly upload pictures from a digital camera or any other device such as a USB flash drive, connect additional storage capacity or even connect a printer of any kind. And to me one of the worst ommissions is the lack of handwriting recognition, a standard funnction of any tablet device, which would have been a great function for students to use for taking notes or making notations in textbooks.

It's entirely possible that some or even all of these things will be addressed in a future version of the iPad. But as it stands now, the device is light years away from the "magical and revolutionary" piece of technology that Jobs claims it is. All it is, is a jumbo iPod Touch. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Yeah... you sound like the people who laughed at the iphone...

I mostly agree with you. I am a person who values open platforms and open source software. Also, I consider Apple to be the most evil IT company. So far, so bad ;). On the other hand, I think that Apple is the only company who is able to come up with some technological gems and market them very well. I bought a few crappy MP3/video players before taking the plunge and buying an iPod. My first week with this device was a wow experience. I use my iPod everyday mainly to listen/watch podcasts, check my emails and surf the web. I mostly use this device at home, well actually in bed where the use of a netbook let it a laptop is very inappropriate.

I will very likely buy an iPad, though I will wait for a year until more consumer reviews come in and maybe the price will drop a bit by then. The iPad might be just a larger iPod, though it would be ideal to watch video podcasts, Internet TV and browsing.

I beg to differ. Do you how many Kindles Amazon already sold for $399 or $299? ALL a kindle can do is read books and newspapers etc...

I have never found the Kindle sexy and always thought that it was overpriced. I guess that Amazon will have to drastically drop their prices (like under 200$) if they really want to stay in this game. Some people already think that the Kindle is dead. Though, I am very old school when it comes to books and still prefer big fat paper editions.

This thing can do hundreds of thousands of other things. Who cares if you can't run multiple apps, it's probably just a couple future OS upgrades away anyway...

I agree. multitasking is not so crucial to this kind of devices. Many of our daily commodities run mono task operating systems. My illico terminal runs an OS called PowerTv, it is not a multitask OS and nobody is complaining about it.

When I get one, I'm not going to replace my laptop with it. When I need to crunch numbers or write a 30 page report, I will still use my laptop. When I want to read, play games, watch video, browse the web, and do "fun" stuff, I will use an iPad. When I fly, I'll just slide it into my laptop case and it will be way easier to use on the plane. How can you compare this screen to any netbook? It doesn't compare.

Steve Jobs made it clear that the iPad is no netbook. Some tech journalists said that the iPad is a content consumption and not a content production device. Comparing iPads to computers is like comparing apples (no pun intended) and oranges.
 

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Ironically, Jobs has delivered freedom of choice to many people in other ways. Remember, not so long ago, you had to buy the whole album even though you didn't like most of the songs, in order to get the one or two songs you wanted? Well, itunes solved that problem and now you get the song for $0.99, not $15.95.

True, though sound quality dropped as prices did.

I should also point out that anyone can develop software for the ipad (or iphone). So really, it's just a question of adoption... Companies who make software for PCs can adapt it the the apple devices if they want to... Nothing is stopping them.
Not true, last summer I wanted to explore the iPod/iPhone architecture and write some apps for these platforms. I was disappointed to notice that I had to use cocoa which is only available on macs. Other mobile devices platforms, like the Android, opened their SDKs for Windows, Linux and OS X. So, Apple really needs to be more open in order to attract more developers. In the longer run, Android might win the battle because it is open.
 

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Now this is a machine that I consider to be revolutionary...the Lenovo Ideapad U1:
http://www.gizmag.com/lenovo-ideapad-u1-notebook-tablet/13783/

When this tablet came out three weeks ago on CES, many people thought that this is a useless technology marvel. It requires genius to come up with innovative products and it also require more genius to market those products. How many regular consumers will be thrilled by such a tablet?
 

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The most important omissions are that of a webcam, no onboard USB ports - so you can't directly upload pictures from a digital camera or any other device such as a USB flash drive, connect additional storage capacity or even connect a printer of any kind. And to me one of the worst ommissions is the lack of handwriting recognition, a standard funnction of any tablet device, which would have been a great function for students to use for taking notes or making notations in textbooks.
Agreed, no cam or USB ports is ridiculous. No 3G voice either is a major miss. Until I can skype with video and use it as a phone, I'm not even in the market. And why Apple would deliberately limit these functions for their 1stGen customers is a fucking insult. Especially since their targeted lifestyle includes these capabilities. Multitask too...smh.

That said, I would suggest handwriting recognition is not a miss (this device really ain't for academic users). Besides, Apple has never really believed the technology had a future anyway and I would agree. I shelved my Newton 9 months after I purchased it. lol Who actually handwrites now? But that is probably a polarizing function between Mac and PC.
 

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First of all, Microsoft has never prevented any software from being installed under Windows by an end user. Not a browser, email client, photo editing program, text editor, or any other type of software that you could possibly name. You should check your facts before making any claims. Personally, the only Microsoft software on my system is Windows 7 and Office 2010. All my other software is from whatever company makes the program that I feel does the best job for my purposes. And guess what? None of them were prevented from installing by Microsoft.

I guess that little bit of legal tussle with the European Union doesn't count as fact then.

Once again, Techman beats his breast over an Apple innovation in a sad attempt to justify his poor choice of technology platforms. But as the self-proclaimed 'expert' on MERB, It would hurt him physically, and cause him mental anguish to the point of aneurysm to admit that anything beyond what he says is good, is good. And yet, at all the IT security conferences I go to, and that is a lot of them, everyone (90% or so) in the field uses a Mac. I wonder why that is. Oh right, now I remember! Microsoft patched 190 exploits in 2009.

OK, whatever. iPod is the most popular MP3 player on the planet. Zune, no so much. iPhone is the most popular mobile phone ever made. iPad? I've no idea how it will sell, but, to quote Stephen Colbert "Seriously. I want an iPad". The big unit 64Gb flash with 3G will work perfectly for me on the road. I don't need a camera, I have one in my iPhone and it is shit, just like all cameras in all mobile phones. For photography, I have purpose-built photographic equipment.

Last time I checked, not Apple nor any other browser maker had two governments actually issue warnings to their citizens not to use them, but yet, in the past weeks, German and France have done so because Explorer is such a vulnerable piece of shit. "But wait" you say, "Windows 7 is different". While I am unable to say anything specific, in a very closed security forum in which I participate, I can assure you with 100% certainty that it is not. You will doubtlessly be able to read about the issues, eventually.

Until then, I'm happy to use a secure, slick, and yes, somewhat more expensive piece of hardware and software for my work. You get what you pay for.
 

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No, the problems with the EU don't qualify as fact because Microsoft has never prevented any software from being installed on any systems by end users. I challenge you to find me one instance in any court case where this is stated. As far as the warnings by the German and French governments are concerned, I don't take them seriously at all. In fact the vulnerability they were speaking of has been patched. And if you think that the MAc or Linux platforms are also 100% secure, you are living in an alternate reality. NOTHING is 100% secure.

How about you favourite company, Apple, who's Safari browser is much less secure:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/29/ipad_security/
Wuesst added that there are already a couple of dozen vulnerabilities with the Safari browser as it is, this device will offer another platform for these to be exploited. For surfers using the device to browse in hotspots, there's a rise if users are tricked into logging into fake Wi-Fi hotspots. Man-in-the-middle attacks are possible in this scenario.

As far as the iPad platform security, I suggest you do a bit of research outside of your little Apple universe.
http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/community/news/sec/blog/ipad-security-concerns/?cs=39073
http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10443800-245.html
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/29/ipad_security/

I especially love this quote:
For one, if the iPad employs encryption the same way the iPhone does, sensitive personal data, including phone numbers and e-mail addresses, could be retrieved and viewed, says Daniel Hoffman, chief technology officer at SMobile Systems, which sells mobile security software.
"The problem with the iPhone security encryption is it is fundamentally worthless," he said. "It can be easily bypassed."

This is not a new situation and Apple has done nothing to improve it, preferring to allow their users to think, wrongly, that it is secure.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10295348-245.html?tag=mncol;txt
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/07/iphone-encryption/
"I don't think any of us [developers] have ever seen encryption implemented so poorly before, which is why it's hard to describe why it's such a big threat to security," Jonathan Zdziarski told Wired.

As for the iPad, I, and many, many others, see nothing innovative or 'magical' or 'revolutionary' about it. I have a number of customers who were eagerly awaiting the announcement after reading all the hype which preceded the release. Hype such as it would have a HD capacity, include a HD tuner, be able to wirelessly link up to other iPads to share information, have multiple inputs and huge amounts of storage, etc... none of which came to fruition. None of my clients are still interested in the MaxiPad and are very disappointed in what was released.

I have a photographer friend who was eagerly awaiting this, figuring it would be great to plug in a USB key loaded with photos for a specific contract and carry it along to show the images to the client and even be able to make adjustments with a stylus on the photos as the client made requests for modifications. But no USB port, no stylus, and no way to load Photoshop on it, or the ability to run such programs in the first place, makes it useless for that purpose.


UNDFTD, considering that one of the publishers Apple is attempting to contract with is the largest publisher of textbooks, yes this thing is aimed at the education market. It would be very useful if a student could view a textbook in class and actually be able to take notes on it at the same time. but considering the lack of handwriting recognition and multitasking, this is impossible. The academic market is a huge one, and yes, students still take notes by hand, and this unit has missed that mark entirely.

Every supporter of the iPad seems to be using the same arguement: "but that's not the market it is aimed at" but none of them are able to say exactly what market it IS aimed at. It's not 16X9 profile so that leaves out the movie watching market, no multitasking so that eliminates a large market who has that requirement, no Flash capability which eliminates on-line video sites and many other web sites with multimedia content, no expandability, no connectivity via USB or Firewire, no web cam, to large to be considered really portable as it can't be slipped into a pocket, etc...

So exactly what market is it aimed at? People who already have iPods or iPhones that can do things that the iPad can't? I guess it's aimed at what Jobs considers to be his faithful following who will buy anything with the Apple brand name on it.
 
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Yes, a lot of people bought iPods and iPhones. A lot of people also watch reality TV, and voted for George Bush.

iPod:

  • Click wheel is too sensitive. Has become maddening, imo.
  • iTunes crashes windoze, almost every other time, ime.
  • Had AAC files that iTunes could not recognize. Of all things, Windows Media Player did the trick.
  • Proprietary 30-pin connector and cable are more expensive than standard USB
  • Costs 3x or more than an MP3 player


iPhone:


  • No keyboard
  • AT&T (poor coverage, no tethering, no mobile hotspot)
  • Proprietary connector and cable are more expensive than standard USB

I have yet to see an app that truly solves a problem, rather than present a novelty. Business/government need something that interfaces with highly specialized equipment. I don't see how an iPhone is any better to do that than a laptop or any garden variety PDA/Smartphone.

I do credit the iPhone for some innovations such as larger screen, and touch screen improvements. But the selling point of a phone connected to the Internet had been around (i.e. Blackberry).
 
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