During my recent trip to Montreal, I booked four appointments for outcall. None of these escorts showed up early, on time, or within 5-10 minutes of the appointment time. My escorts were about 15 to 35 minutes late. In addition, one of my escorts hurriedly left in 28 minutes after 1 FS although I had booked her for 1 hour. I also learned from reading other messages listed on this MERB board that escorts arriving late and finishing the appointments within 30 minutes are not the exception but the common rule. Have you ever wondered why they always arrive late and leave early?
One reason for arriving late and leaving early is overbooking escort. Escort agencies can make more money by over booking an appointment for a lady. For example, an agency still books an appointment for a lady at 11:00 pm although this lady has been booked for an hour appointment at 10:00 pm on the same night. This agency does not allow transportation time between each appointment. Therefore, this lady will be late for the next appointment if she stays for the full hour. If she does not want to be late for the next appointment, she will have to leave the meeting in less than 30 minutes or as early as possible, providing only1 FS.
Good agencies will not overbook their escorts because they are in this business for both purposes of making money and providing quality services to clients. Overbooking escort can result in burned-out escorts, poor service, and bad reputation.
If I book for one hour appointment, I expect to spend an hour with the lady. If a company continues allowing an escort to leave within 30 minutes, this company should allow me to book and pay for a half-hour appointment.
Last edited by MTLVisitor; 09-02-2004 at 05:35 PM.
The real deal:
Having tried out several agencies for a day when I was looking for a job (back in the day), the one constant rule of the standard outcall agency was: "get the guy off as soon as possible and it's only one SOG per appointment (supposedly an hour). leave as soon as your done."
I would then ask "what if the client wants to talk or have a massage?" and all of them responded in the same way: "doesn't matter". During appointments, they would call at the 45 minute mark if they hadn't heard from me and if I dared stay the whole hour, was told I wasn't "good" and to improve my "technique" and time.
Needless to say, I never returned to those agencies for another shift. I was shocked though at how many would be this way! Even if I asked beforehand on the phone, they would feed me the bullshit that I wanted to hear to get me working for them. But then I would have a nasty surprise when I started working, and always the same shpiel...
I tried out at least 5 agencies that were like this. Unfortunately, I honestly don't remember the names of those agencies as I didn't give a crap of remembering them after having to deal with them.
My 2 cents,
That's undoubtedly part of it. However, the escort is not necessarily in complete control of when the first FS is over. If you have "staying power", you can screw up their schedules pretty badly, if they are booking consecutively like that and counting on you to finish quickly.
Nevertheless, I'm sure that what you say happens. Personally, I've found that an hour can turn into 45 or 50 minutes without much effort .. she shows up five or ten minutes late, and then leaves five minutes early. If all the appointments are downtown, 10 minutes should be almost enough time to get from one appointment to another.
When there is no overbooking, I'd like to think that the agency can encourage the escort to stay the full time. Some agencies do .. other agencies (Dangerous Curves comes to mind) clearly do not. All we can do is pay attention to the reviews, and if several escorts from a particular agency have reviews suggesting that they leave early, avoid that agency.
Everyone who has ever booked an escort has probably experienced that which is well described at the beginning of this thread. My advice is to make appointments with reputable agencies or quality independent providers. It will not guarantee an escort to be on time, or hour long appointments, but it will be more consistent with the expectations that we hobbyists have.
Do some research. This board has plenty of advice!
From SMACK APPEAL:
Can you provide names of those agencies the 1/2 hour pit stop girls are from?
- I had two different ladies from Dangerous Curves. The first night, a lady stayed with me for the full hour. The second night, another lady left in less than 30 minutes. For more information, you can read this thread:
Actual Hourly Rate with Overbooking Escort
Agencies or independent providers actually charge a client at significantly higher rates if they overbook escort. No wonder why the escorts always arrive late and leave early. Tommy9 said that it is not a guarantee for reputable agencies or quality independent providers to be on time or to stay for the full hour. Also, Jackie from one of the above messages said that her agencies would call her during the session if she did not finish it within 45 minutes.
I am using this formula to calculate the actual hourly rate:
Actual Hourly Rate = Advertised Hourly Rate / (Minutes Spent with Client / 60)
Advertised Hourly Rate: $180; Actual minutes spent with client: 28
Actual Hourly Rates: $385 = 180 / (28/60)
Advertised Hourly Rate: $200; Actual minutes spent with client: 45
Actual Hourly Rates: $266 = 200 / (45/60)
Advertised Hourly Rate: $300; Actual minutes spent with client: 60
Actual Hourly Rates: $300 = 300 / (60/60)
As indicated by the above examples, agencies or independent providers charge the clients at significantly higher rates than advertised if the escorts leave in less than 30 minutes or as early as possible. If there is no guarantee that an escort will stay for the full hour, then it is better and less expensive to book a $300/hour HDL who certainly stays for the hour than to book a lady for $180/hour who may leave in less than 30 minutes.
Last edited by MTLVisitor; 09-03-2004 at 08:46 AM.
I prefer incalls, unfortunately in Montreal most of the ladies are outcall. I recently visited a lady in Atlanta for a 1/2 hr session and that session was rushed. She did everything to rush me out. Total time spent 20 mins from my knocking on the door to
exiting the door.
Great way of making your point! Bravo.
Originally posted by MTLVisitor
[B]I am using this formula to calculate the actual hourly rate:
Actual Hourly Rate = Advertised Hourly Rate / (Minutes Spent with Client / 60)
I am from Wisconsin where I usualy pay $250 for a girl to come to my place. A girl came to my apartment 3 weeks ago and stayed for about 25 minutes. I figure out from the formula I paid her at $600 an hour. I’ve never thought of the actual hourly rates charged by escorts.
I've always thought about the hourly rate.
However, if you're not getting a second SOG, the hourly rate has less meaning. If you were paying as if on a taxi meter, and if you finished in the first 45 minutes, with no prayer of a second SOG, would you keep the meter running or stop there and say here's $150, thank you for your time? I doubt you'd be interested in keeping the meter running for that last 15 minutes. So really, the "hourly" rate isn't as relevant if a second SOG is either not going to happen or is not permitted anyway. Unless the woman allows a second SOG, basically all you're getting for the remaining time is the equivalent of a nude lapdance.
Posted by Scott_937
"I am from Wisconsin where I usualy pay $250 for a girl to come to my place. A girl came to my apartment 3 weeks ago and stayed for about 25 minutes. I figure out from the formula I paid her at $600 an hour. I’ve never thought of the actual hourly rates charged by escorts"
I believe that the above actual hourly rate of $600 was calculated in US dollar. If I were correct, Scott_937 had paid this rate of $780 ($600 * 1.3) in Canadian dollars based on today’s exchange rate of 1 US dollar to 1.3 Canadian dollars. Scott_937, you can have a full hour with a pretty lady in Montreal for about 120 US dollars. I am also living in the US and know how expensive it is to pay for a lady in my state. I usually go to Montreal 3-4 times a year for business trips with paid travel expenses not including fees for escorts.
The Hourly Rate
Bighugo wrote this statement regarding the hourly rate: "the hourly rate isn't as relevant if a second SOG is either not going to happen or is not permitted anyway. Unless the woman allows a second SOG, basically all you're getting for the remaining time is the equivalent of a nude lap dance."
I usually can finish 2 SOG within 1 hour. However, if I paid a lady for the hour and did not have enough energy for the second SOG, I could ask her to give me a massage or talk with her for the remaining time. Jackie, on one of the above messages, also commented regarding this issue “the one constant rule of the standard outcall agency was: "get the guy off as soon as possible and it's only one SOG per appointment (supposedly an hour). leave as soon as your done." I would then ask "what if the client wants to talk or have a massage?" In my opinion, unless the lady provides 2 SOG; or provides 1 SOG and massage/talk for the remaining time because of my lack of energy for the second SOG; or I let her leave early, the hourly rate is meaningless.
Last edited by MTLVisitor; 09-05-2004 at 11:38 AM.
Yes, I paid the girl in US $. Thanks for clarifying what I said. I've enjoyed reading your excellent writing about this topic. Good work!