http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/media/....aspx?rss=true and in french paper "journal de Montreal" it was stated on page 46 on wednesday 9/9 that if you use massage parlour,escort,or dancers you are subsidizing human traffick...so i suppose their "i'm not for sale "campain is directed towards the hobby...
In all my years in this hobby, I have never come across one situation where it was ever the least bit evident that a SP was subject to slavery, or against her will. I have met SP's from many countries and they never at the least acted like they were forced in what were doing. It may exist in a very small percentage, but very unlikely in Canada or the US.
Originally Posted by duetoday
Originally Posted by daydreamer41
Do you really think a woman or girl in that position is going to make it apparent to the client and risk having him complain to the agency, send her away, or call the authorities. In all such scenarios she probably gets the kind of punishment reserved for slaves.
She came to Canada from Hungary, thinking she was going to be a housekeeper, but the contract she signed was in English, a language she didn't understand at that time. Eva's traffickers brought her into the country under Canada's "stripper" visa program. She says she was kept in a locked motel room, raped and forced to work at a strip club, turning her money over to her captors. Eventually, with the help of a club manager, she escaped and went to the Canadian police. She later applied to the Canadian government to be allowed to stay, and in late 2005 her request was approved. Canada has since discontinued the "stripper" visa program. This interview was conducted in January 2005.
I think it's wishful to believe this problem isn't significant in countries where the average wage earner is more able to afford higher prices and thus make the risk of getting caught much more profitable for the slave masters.
Obviously, a woman would not come out and say that she is a slave. However, thru body language you can tell if someone is abused or not. If someone is doing something against their will, they will not be too free in their communication with anyone. I happen to communicate alot with every SP I meet, unless there is an absolute language barrier. I have come across very few SP's that spoke absolutely no English, except for one in Montreal.
Originally Posted by Merlot
I think I would sense something is not right thru my communications with them. I ask if they are going to school, do they have a job, where they are from, how they like such and such if they traveled to wherever, etc. There were a few places I visited where girls came from South America, like Brazil, Columbia, and Europe, like Czech Republic, Russa and Hungry, all of them honestly were there to make money for 3 months and go back home. This was more than 10 years ago. But every one of them were free and open. Most people would have a hard time lying and making things up in a sitiuation where they were slaves. They would not be able to talk so freely and fluidly.
Think about it, being a human trafficker is stupid and risky. There are enough women who would travel willfully to another country to make money as a SP, especially if she were to make enough money for a year's wages in a short time in the US or Canada. But the trafficker must be able to ensure that not one woman talks or calls the Police. It is much more riskier and harder to do than you imagine. It may exist in Eastern Europe, Asia, but not in the US or Canada. I have read only 1 newspaper report where someone was charged with human trafficking in the US. This was at a Korean Massage place. It happens, but in the US and Canada, I believe it is much less than the media portrays it.
From reading your PBS quote - Canada had a Stripper's Visa program???? That seems like a very odd program. You mean that Canada does not have enough native Strippers?
Last edited by daydreamer41; 09-08-2010 at 07:16 PM.
Canada always had this stripper/entertainer(also dancers,singers,stand-ups,actors)type of visa.USA has an "entertainer"visa program too,that includes strippers...And many of you must remember the 888 club on ste-Catherine street in Montreal in the 90's? Run by asian mob with asian strippers in the country as tourists,some as cleaning ladies and nannies,they were kept in a bunker,under watch,transported to and from the club,visas/passports kept by boss till they leave,to get a dance you had to buy a coupon from the bar,no cash to them and the montreal police raided them...was all over the news.There are still many "asian" and "russian" massage parlour being run in similar fashion.And yes ,street gangs have many girls (white,black french and english)working in bars,massage,escorts.They recruit a lot of them right out of school or group homes.Stop being so blind,this is real.
Trafficking exists. Whether you encounter trafficked women is contingent on where you go for service.
Tell me where so I don't go there.
Originally Posted by Aeolus
A few years back when I lived in Vancouver there was a bust in a building two blocks from my place and it was for unlawful confinement and prostitution. A friend of mine worked in the RCMP there at the time and he gave me the story. There were three girls who had been tricked into coming to Canada from Thailand. They had been told they had won a free trip and were given tickets to come to Canada. When they got here the gang members took them to the apartment, took all their identification, and then forced them into prostitution. So, yes it does happen here. You can never be 100% sure in this business.
But when it happens, it is usually from Asia or Eastern Europe. There is no doubt there are mafia worldwide. But the picture that is being painted by the Feminist groups is that all or the majority of SP's in western culture is being subjected to human trafficking. It is being well overstated. Of course anyone being held against their will is being held a slave and kidnapped, and the perpretrators must be prosecuted to the fullest when caught.
Duetoday, i am trying to find the reference you give. I did not find it on the Internet site of Journal de Montréal and the other reference is a press communiqué. Who says buying a sex service in Canada is subsidizing human traffic? The journalist? A spokesperson from Public Safety Canada?
Originally Posted by duetoday
http://lejournaldequebec.canoe.ca/jo...08-225637.html another article today.The journal de montreal article was in the print paper page 46 of that day.Evidently the journalist is making those claims,it is everywhere in the news now... thank you 10-4
I need you help again Roger. Could you point to me where in this article the journalist or any one interviewed says "that if you use massage parlour,escort,or dancers you are subsidizing human traffick"?
Originally Posted by 10-4Roger
For heaven's sake go get a printed copy and simply read it...Journal de Montreal sept 8,2010 page 46..
Quote:"Le crime de la traite des personnes a nos portes
Ottawa-Si vous frequentez les escortes,les salons de massage ou les clubs de striptease,la GRC et le gouvernement federal veulent que vous sachiez que vous etes peut-etre en train de soutenir le crime de la traite de personnes.
How come you always need someone to hold your hand...can't you do simple research... see
For heaven's sake, I may not be in Montréal and have no access to the printed copy.
Originally Posted by duetoday
May I also note that there is a HUGE difference between saying:
1 "Si vous frequentez les escortes,les salons de massage ou les clubs de striptease,la GRC et le gouvernement federal veulent que vous sachiez que vous etes peut-etre en train de soutenir le crime de la traite de personnes." (as you just transcribed)
That is a quite reasonable and true statement.
2 "it was stated on page 46 on wednesday 9/9 that if you use massage parlour,escort,or dancers you are subsidizing human traffick..." (as you stated first)
That is an unreasonable statement because it implies that everytime, or at least most of the time, you do that you subsidize human trafic.
How come you guys always need someone to hold your hand... can't you simply quote things as they are written instead of inserting your own assumptions.
Last edited by gugu; 09-09-2010 at 04:30 PM.
Do you live in an igloo somewhere?You don't seem to ever want to know that there is evil in the world.Whatever the discussion,street gangs,human trafficking,drug,bust,anything...you are bewildered and cannot believe it happens here in Canada.Every single discussion you ask for proof,where,when,how come,...are you an adult?,your life experience must be limited or you live in a womb...Well sorry if it makes you crawl back under your rock but "evil is here"...
Quote: If you frequent escort services, massage parlours or strip clubs, the RCMP and the federal government want you to know you may be supporting a crime: Human trafficking.
And yes i read all your previous posts.
Last edited by duetoday; 09-09-2010 at 06:07 PM.