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    Meeting a regular poster as a client...

    I just got a PM from a prominant SP who wrote she does not like to know if a client is a regular poster on the boards. I wonder if other SPs feel that way and if they do why? Does it make them feel self-conscious that they may be reviewed?

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    Thumbs up Another interesting topic!

    I am very much enjoying these dicussions that don't point to a particular event but to general issues concerning both clients and SPs. I hope to see many more of these discussions start up as we go along

    I also much prefer not knowing if a client I am meeting for the first time as a "known" poster, and just knowing that he is a client like any other I see.

    As I have been reading these boards for some time, it is natural to form a view or opinion on members that post regularly. Even it is a good opinion, in my opinion it may affect an encounter just because the online persona and the person himself might differ slightly or a lot and I like a fresh and untainted impression when I meet someone.

    Then there is always the questions hanging over my mind "What is his review of me going to be like? Will he respect my wishes that I prefer no specific details be disclosed? Does he expect special treatment because he is a known poster? etc..."

    I haven't refused to meet with someone because I knew his online moniker and those encounters went well.

    It's just my preference not to know beforehand.

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    It is known in the biz underground that some high priced agencies and independents try to avoid well-known board posters, especially those who have written negative reviews in the past. However, this seems like a Catch-22 situation for the client and participant on the boards.

    An agency owner or independent might and often would ask him to post about his experience on the board, since she has a pretty good idea that it would be a positive review, and good for business. Postitive reviews are a great marketing tool for agencies and independents doing most of their business via the internet.

    However, when they became well-known and have an established regular clientele, they now decide that they would now prefer not to deal with clients that are visible on the boards, for fear of bad publicity or simply because they presently do not need any new clients. Meanwhile, posters that have been cooperative and willing to post positive reviews now might be getting the shaft......i have heard from several present and former posters about this problem. Some independents and one agency owner has even admitted to this.

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    JustaJohn,

    You raised a good point, one can easily picture a situation whereby newly formed agencies or unknown independents with good services will appreciate having well-known posters as clients since positive reviews are one of the best, if not the best form of advertising. But once they're established and have more than enough clients, well-known posters become liabilities since their positive reviews provide little benefit but can create real problems when reviews turn out to be negative.

    This is indeed an unfair situation. Unfortunately, there is little that these well-known posters can do since they can't really complain when the escorts or agencies claim schedule conflicts and tell them good luck next time. Thus, its best to write reviews that reveal little about yourself, omit the hotel you stayed in, specific times or anything that might allow them to identify you; its just not worth it and if they ever ask about your online activities, deny, deny and deny.
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    There is a lot that well known posters can do to protect their own credibility. I think guys like Don Busch are way too paranoid btw. The things he mentions that should be left out, have no place in a review. There are many ways to write a review bad or good that doesn't personally implicate yourself. You simply cannot involve your participation on this board with any aspect of the conversations dealing with either agencies or escorts. I for one can honestly say that no woman who has ever met me, nor any agency who has ever dealt with me, was aware of my online presence at the time when we first met or did business. Those who now know, and I can assure you that until recently you could count them on one hand throughout the entirity of Canada, found out many months/years later and most still don't even know as of today. Most of them deduced the association at a time when there simply weren't that many online reviewers. Today, you can hide in the crowd..so to speak.

    I think the biggest problem most of these well known posters have is that their own egos preclude discretion. In fact, they're looking for leverage and recognition if not favors by letting it be known that they post on these boards. I've just never looked at it that way. Good, bad, indifferent, I call it the way I see it. always do business under my real name and do not PM ladies online asking for appointments.

    What frosts me is the number of guys saying that women so frequently ask not to be reviewed. Gentlemen, may I modestly say that I have seen my fair share of women in this business and that question is almost never asked of me. Why, may I ask, if they don't ask me, would they bother to inquire of you? Surely it must be something you said.

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    Hello all,

    Before any misconceptions get started, the SP who expressed this opinion originally in a PM, did NOT do so in the context of me asking for her professional services. We simply had gotten into the habit of PMing about the content of various threads, this topic came up and her response struck me as a surprise.

    Parenthetically, this is the first time I started a thread at MERB and it is astonishing how the view numbers go up even on this rather esoteric topic.

    I do find Racquelle's response a bit surprising -- that she rather start with a "blank slate" beginning a booking than beginning with preconceptions based on a person's screen activities. After thinking about this for a few hours, I do recall Valerie, then at Fantasme, who used to chat and post rather frequently, also writing once she preferred to avoid people whom she chatted with or exchanged posts with, but I think she had the opposite perspective that they came to the booking knowing too much about her.

    Nevertheless this seems to go against other trends. I recall once Annik and Friends websites was the only site where the escorts described themselves and their likes and dislikes. Now this is common and most guys seem to like it. On the other hand it seems many independents like to get to know a new potential customer by e-mail and may ask a variety of questions. I also like knowing something about a new escort although it is easy to exaggerate the importance of what is stated on a website.

    All these questions have to be kept in the context that very few escorts know about the boards or are interested in them if they do know. A few agency owners and independents may follow them carefully, but this is a SMALL minority.

    I should say of the 90 or so bookings I have made, only two escorts ever asked me not to review them. They were both agency escorts that I had booked independently with the assistance of other board members as intermediaries; obviously they did not want their madames to know what they were doing. (It does seem to me that agencies are a bit more tolerant of agency girls working independently now than they once were)

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    Touch,

    I certainly didn't take your comments to imply that you had just been rebuffed by an SP who expressed her reservations about your board presence. My subsequent comments were again about general issues that surround frequent posters and their dealings with agencies and SPs. There is an overwhelming temptation that overrides a sense of propriety in the way a lot of the guys online deal with their SP and agency relationships. Guys book using their online name. An SP dares to suggest that she won't be seeing individuals based on their postings online. She seems to imply that guys are all too willing to identify themselves by their board monikers.

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    Reviews; the catch-22 of my existence. But that’s not the thread is it?

    No, I don’t want to know if the client is a regular poster. Regular posters make me uneasy. Instead of walking into a room relaxed, upbeat and ready to enjoy my time, my mind is racing at a thousand miles an hour. It feels worse than any job interview I have ever been too.

    I feel like every action is being watched and questions take over in my mind. “How do I look tonight – am I a 7 or an 8? Christ, that huge meal I had early is making my stomach stick out, will that take marks off? Am I talking too much, too little? What if I do XYZ, will I start to be booked only because of that? What if I’m not comfortable with someone else? I have somewhere to be at the end of the appointment, but if I leave exactly on time does it seem like I’m a clock watcher? I read his last review of so-and-so, is he having as good of a time with me as he did with her?”

    I’m not sure if reviewers understand the impact of some of their reviews. Of course everyone seems to be aware of what a positive review can do, but even the slightest negative tone can have a huge impact on a woman, whether it’s business or just self esteem. If you are an escort that does try to give her all during an appointment, hearing that you are average or highly overrated can be like a slap to the face. But once again, I digress…

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    Not an ounce of "neophyte" in that ressponse..

    Miss Neophyte,

    If I were any woman in this business, I would refuse any appointment attempt made by a client using PM online. That is a poor start out of the gate. You have a right to know who it is you`re dealing with, and online handles don`t signify that. When a client reveals an online handle prior to a first session, there is only one intent there...leverage. Forget about that person, move on.

    If you are an indy and you advertise online, my best suggestion to you is to establish the expectations. If you are a provider of safe services, say so in your ads. That way nobody can slam you for not succumbing to their pressure for a . If you don`t kiss, say so, but don`t advertise GFE and then deliever a half and half in a surgical mask and gloves. In my definition of GFE, I`ve distilled it down into a comprehensive set of services delivered with passion. You can have a GFE like attitude and still not render GFE service. Just be clear about what it is that you offer to the average first time well presented customer, and you should be able to relax. Finally, if your pictures or description indicate one thing and you are another, expect somebody to mention that. Don`t put up 10 year old pictures of the slim Miss Neophyte and then show up 20 pounds heavier. Don`t advertise as a long hair vixen and then show up in a short goth style haircut. Looks are indeed as much a part of the image you project, and hence customer satisfaction, as anything else. And criticism of those looks, right or wrong, comes with the priviledge to make those astronomical sums for your services. And the higher the fees, the more forthcoming will be the criticism, or at least it should work that way. I find that most men who use the higher priced ladies on a regular basis are not nearly as critical as the market priced guys and bargains shoppers. But when those guys go uptown in pricing, they tend to be brutal in their criticisms.

    If you are review conscious and it sounds like you are, then seems like it`s gonna be hard to relax until you set your ``own terms`` for a session. This review preoccupation can show up in your performance, as your demeanor becomes robotic rather than human. Perhaps you even become paranoid..LOL. There are the expectations that a reviewer sets from a review, but generally those have more to do with services and your general appearance. Most of the time the remarks are constructive. Forget about the ones that are vindictive and in poor taste. Customers that you`ll want to see will see right through the garbage. I`ve seen many great ladies defamed online by petty acrimony and viscious slander. I met most of them by considering the source and promptly ignoring it. An experienced customer is astute and will pay no attention to the bulk of the comments as they know from whom they come. Comments on your looks, body, etc. that`s all part of the business. You advertise and attract with those features. It`s fair game for commentary. You either are a GFE or you are not. Of course if the guy has poor hygiene, GFE is going to be challenging. But if the person is a high profile guy online, he knows the rules of engagment, and I`m pretty certain the community is calibrated on what his usual presentation and mileage is as well. So we can discount after af few of his outings with known entities, just what his culpability may be to poor results in a session. You are in a mercenary services business, one in which your success is determined in part on your ability to deliver a services in amiable fashion. Sometimes the clients demeanor doesn`t facilitate that. No matter how many of those disclaimers you read or post in your ad or on your website about the fee is for consideration of your time and nothing else, NEVER get so naive as to believe that. Conversation is free, and I as well as many others feel our time is valuable too, so the only thing that could be paid for is sexual services. That keeps things clearly within the realm of business. Along with the access to the kind of cash that escorting provides, it demands the ability to withstand type of extraordinary personal criticism online. If you are overtly concious about providing a certain level of service to everybody, I suggest you tell that to the guy at the end of the session that he just got a ``special`` and that is not something for everybody. You would prefer that he keep that aspect of your encounter to himself. If he doesn`t, and if that is a ``special``, you will know just who it was that was indiscreet. He has no obligation to kiss and tell and certainly should consider reasonable requests for discretion. But some macho men just can`t resist the I got this but YMMV line in the review. The first time you get disrespected in a review, remove that particular service or favor from your session repetroire. And remember the session and the guy who commited the indiscretion. Tell clients who subsequently say so and so got this and that, that so and so lied. Makes no difference. I certainly know that if I know so and so from his online reviews, when I write mine, he`ll get his. Indicretion is the number one killer of good sessions.

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    MN,

    Over the years I have heard of well-established providers who had a stockpile of positive reviews in the past but who were psychologically devastated by a few unexpected negative reviews -- sometimes to the degree of abruptly retiring from the business.

    I think EBS provided truly excellent advice in coping with this aspect of the business which is inevitable for any SP who advertises on the Internet.

    And EBS, that was most Good Samaritan-like advice. Actually, it is too bad there isn't an FAQ to archive it in for neophyte, Internet SPs!

    As you point out, interpreting reviews from a provider's or consumer's is no easy matter. Negative reviews often have a bigger impact than positive reviews and are more often trigger by idiosyncratic characteristics of the reviewer.

    Great post.

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    my .02

    I think that there is a difficulty in doing sp business by pm under your moniker.
    I am sure it is difficult for the sp who is providing the service as they have a preconception of what the poster is like and are aprehensive about the review.

    But I also think that it can be difficult for the poster as well.

    So far sp's have not given reviews of their clients here in the lounge, but nothing is keeping them from doing it.
    Could be daunting to see a review of yourself under your moniker.

    Just a thought

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    I have never been requested by an agency or an indie not to post reviews. In fact, the subject of reviews hasn`t been mentioned at all prior to or during any appointment I`ve ever made.

    I have posted reviews on several boards TERB, MERB, MBB (Toronto), BigDoggie, Canbest and The Erotic Review, and I use the handle ``Avery`` on all of them. One agency in Montreal and one in Toronto, as well as two Toronto indies, know my handle, but that fact has never influenced the quality of an appointment, as far as I can tell. I`ve always received the level of service I expected based on other reviews and information from the agency or SP, as the case may be. I do not reveal my board identity to any other agencies or escorts, however. I opened a new E-mail account and use another alias to book appointments with any party who does not already know me.

    On one occasion, I told the agency owner afterward that I was going to post a review of the escort (I wouldn`t do that again). The escort E-mailed me and told me that was OK, but requested that I not mention that she did with me, and explained her reasons. I respected her wishes, and I rarely get that explicit in my reviews anymore anyway.

    On one other occasion, as she was leaving, an escort said, ``If you`re going to review me, please don`t mention (a certain physical characteristic)``. It was no problem to comply with her wishes, because I hadn`t noticed it anyway. In any case, I would never post any personal information that could compromise an escort`s anonymity.

    While I now take reasonable means to conceal my identity either before or after, I`m not obsessed with secrecy either. If they figure out afterward who I am, so what? As long as I have received the level of service I was led to expect and can count on receiving it in future, that`s fine with me. After all, consistency and reliability are the hallmarks of quality service providers in any industry, including the sex trade.
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    Re: SP reviews of clients

    Originally posted by chercherfemmes
    I would love to see SP reviews of clients. Could be very funny and enlightening. Our complaints must pale in comparison to theirs.

    i.e.,

    "He smelled like cabbage even after getting out of the shower."

    "He was so hairy it looked like he was wearing a fur coat when he took his shirt off."

    "I don't think he ever flossed in his life."

    Not to mention rude behavoiur or worse...
    Had a hard time to find his willie
    under that potbellie!

    Couldn't find a condom small enough!

    And you call THAT dinning at the y!



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    Your guys are cracking me up..LOL..But stealth mode is very important...

    I can very well imagine how embarassing reviews of any of us might be under our board monikers. Whomever would do such a foolish thing though would be violating our privacy just as sure as if we were to place their real names on this board. I would hate to see that happen quite frankly..LOL. One way to lessen those chances of "discovery" is that we dissociate our monikers and board activity from our dealings in the business off this board.

    How can one objectively report on anything or for that matter how can one be trusted to be objective, if he or she is compromised by virtue of known moniker? How can I tell you about good service I'm getting and have it mean anything given that it's believed my motive is that I'm promoting this lady for personal gain? How can I deliver unfavorable news about an escort or agency situation if I am worried about being outed? How can I not be seen as compromised when every damned agency that I promote through virtue of my reviews knows in fact they're getting free air time because I'll pump them up for that huge discount and an occasional freebie on the side in exchange for my "credibility". I see these kinds of self important monsters grow online. Occasionally it becomes embarrassingly obvious that these people are corrupt and should not be trusted to be an objective source of information.

    I’ll give you a very concrete example about the importance of maintaining anonymity of your moniker, from my own experience. Those of you who followed Good Sam postings online circa 1998/1999 know that I was a huge fan of Heartbreakers. As far as I was concerned, Tina and the ladies could do no wrong. Well, my experience for the most part with both the ladies and the phone people, i.e. Tina, had led me to that conclusion. I gained a lot of notoriety by reviewing Heartbreakers ladies amongst several other agencies that were around at the time. That agency had absolutely no idea of the real identity of Good Sam. I am certain they knew the GS moniker. They just could not place the moniker with the customer. I spent lots of time talking about Montreal and the business with the folks at Heartbreakers. Yet thru those conversations, I was very careful to never mention online activity. Had you said Big Poppa to Tina, she knew exactly who he was by real name. If you wanted to name drop, just say you’re one of Big Pappas crew..LOL. But all throughout my dealings with HB, I made it a point to keep my online activity separate from my dealings with the agency and the escorts. Now what does this have to do with anything? Well, I started seeing cracks in the Heartbreakers amour show up on the board in the form of clients reporting that Tina was dissin’ them on the phone. Surely, this cannot be true. This had never happened to me. Tina had one of the most sultry voices I ever had the pleasure to listen to. I used to call the number just to hear her answer “Heartbreakers”..LOL. Until one evening that sultry voice turned surly on me, when I had nerve to call about the whereabouts of Virginia who was an hour and a half late for our date. And why did it happen? Because I was Joe average feckless customer to Tina. Had I been a Big Poppa, and this is not to say that he used his influence in any way, but certainly got his notoriety in that agency through that name, it would have never happened to me. Well, what you saw after my personal experience was a report that confirmed that these other guys weren't just spitting vitriol, they in fact had been dissed and I learned first hand that it could happen to anybody. Do you think for one minute that if I had a compromised working relationship with that agency under the name of Good Sam, that I'd have dared to mention an impropriety that would have made me look like a virtual fool? It's like going to an expensive restaurant and getting terrible food. When asked by others how's the food, you reply its great because you're embarrassed to say otherwise. Well, I would have been embarrassed to report bad news about the beloved Heartbreakers, had I been in bed with that agency. Since I was disassociated with HB, neither seeking or receiving any favor based on my favorable online comments, I was able to report objectively at a time when unfavorable news had to be delivered. I was never asked by any escort or agency owner to not review because they didn't know me as a reviewer at the time.


    High profile guys reveal that they PM under their moniker or email using their associated online web mail accounts, escorts and/or agencies to make arrangements. You can bet they do not get the same treatment average Joe receives. Let us say that the faux VIP experiences a bad time with either the agency or the escort. I laugh my ass off the next time I see such a jackass complain. How does one report that without being compromised? I mean what’s wrong, no multi-hour deep discount this time, so you throw a temper tantrum and blast the agency that had been your benefactor. You mean you’re going to cause a delay of an entire half hour while you try to deliver the escort that I’ve had booked for 4 hours to a one hour appointment BEFORE you bring her here. (These things have happened to me and they would have never happened had I used the GS Card). Avoid being compromised. Leave this board stuff out of your bookings and correspondence. That way you are free to report unbiased and can report objectively even when it may mean a reversal of your previous opinion. Tough to do in light of the fact that we have some agencies and escorts that hawk the boards, but I have always been independent in both thought and action, I don’t wait for others to discover, and I will feel free to call them as I see them. The last time I got dissed by an agency or an escort, I didn't tell them the consequences. I was able to quietly invoke the consequences without being seen as the individual who stirred the pot. Sounds cryptic I know, but if I told you exactly the kinds of things I'm talking about, I'd have to shoot you..:-).

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    After all these years and posts don`t you think that your favourites SP`S like FKS and companions actually haven`t figured out who you are? Maybe they haven`t sat around and discussed this, but if they did, couldn`t they put 2 and 2 together and should they not be able to get 4?

    Maybe they don`t say anything but how many guys (and I am guessing) have actually met all of FKS ladies and most of companions and posted reviews on all of them?

    You (in general) always leave some trail of evidence. i.e. ``saw x last Saturday afternoon`` ``I tried booking y but she was busy so they sent me z`` ``My date didn`t show up so I used plan B and again x came thru with y``

    I personally don`t care if they know who I am but I will not advertise it and won`t confirm if they ask.

    End the end, i agree that this hobby needs to have its veil of anonymity whether it`s real or not.

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