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    Ambassador sets record straight after another false Teabagger claim

    Canada's ambassador to the U.S. tried to set the record straight Monday after a U.S. Republican senatorial candidate said the 9/11 hijackers came through Canada.

    Sharon Angle, a Tea Party-backed candidate in Nevada, said the Canada/U.S. border is America's "most porous border."

    "What we know is our northern border is where the terrorists came through," she said.

    Ambassador Gary Doer was quick to point out the inaccuracy in a public letter addressed to Angle.

    “There have been no terrorist attacks on the United States coming from Canada. None of the 9/11 hijackers entered the United States from or through Canada,” he said, citing the 2004 9/11 Commission Report and the 2007 Congressional Research Study, both of which prove the terrorists who highjacked planes on Sept. 11, 2001, entered the U.S. directly from third countries with U.S.-issued visas.

    Angle is one of many U.S. politicians to publicly repeat this misconception.

    Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano repeated it in 2009 while responding to questions about her belief that Americans should police the Canadian border as thoroughly as the Mexican one, despite the fact Canada lacks Mexico's deadly drug cartels.

    "Yes, Canada is not Mexico, it doesn't have a drug war going on, it didn't have 6,000 homicides that were drug-related last year," she said.

    "Nonetheless, to the extent that terrorists have come into our country or suspected or known terrorists have entered our country across a border, it's been across the Canadian border. There are real issues there."

    When asked if she meant the 9/11 hijackers, she said, "Not just those, but others as well.”

    She later issued a statement claiming she never meant the 9/11 hijackers, and instead pointed to the Millennium Bomber, who failed in his attempt to blow up Los Angeles International Airport in early 2000 with explosives he ferried from British Columbia.

    Doer said Canada is far from a threat, noting that Canadian and U.S. authorities work together to protect their "collective security."

    He also said more than 1.3 million Canadians visited Nevada in 2009, creating tens of thousands of jobs and sparking $1.3 billion in trade.

    "I can assure you that Canada takes border security very seriously and trust you will see fit to set the record straight," said Doer.

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    He also said more than 1.3 million Canadians visited Nevada in 2009, creating tens of thousands of jobs and sparking $1.3 billion in trade.

    Hey Doc, no complaints here. I love all the young visitors coming from Canada, but I am getting a little low on cash!
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    Yeah, meanwhile Christine O'Donnell, another CS Martin fave, had this exchange in a debate this morning:

    "Where in the Constitution is the separation of church and state?" O'Donnell asked him. When Coons responded that the First Amendment bars Congress from making laws respecting the establishment of religion, O'Donnell asked: "You're telling me that's in the First Amendment?"

    Duh! And in other CS Martin fave news, Sarah Palin today endorsed John Rease in the Pennsylvania Senate race. Raese is running for the Senate from West Virginia.

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    She made a boo boo but she's 100 times better than that asswipe Harry Reid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K Douglas View Post
    She made a boo boo but she's 100 times better than that asswipe Harry Reid.
    Are you referring to the Witch or the Church Lady?

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    Quote Originally Posted by K Douglas View Post
    She made a boo boo but she's 100 times better than that asswipe Harry Reid.
    That boo-boo wouldn't have anything to do with her being stupid, would it?
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    Get ready for an influx of people to Canada, if these ignorant, nut cases do get elected by the even more ignorant, it will be time to leave

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    [QUOTE=rumpleforeskiin;503194]Yeah, meanwhile Christine O'Donnell, another CS Martin fave, had this exchange in a debate this morning:

    "Where in the Constitution is the separation of church and state?" O'Donnell asked him. When Coons responded that the First Amendment bars Congress from making laws respecting the establishment of religion, O'Donnell asked: "You're telling me that's in the First Amendment?"

    It's NOT in the First Amendment . That belief has been erroneously ingrained in our society by anti-religious groups over the years. The church vs. state separation issue was only part of a letter written by Thomas Jefferson. Read the first amendment and see for yourself if you don't believe me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rumpleforeskiin View Post
    That boo-boo wouldn't have anything to do with her being stupid, would it?
    Careful, Rumples. Witches reading this might take offense & put a curse upon you for badmouthing one of their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StefanoUS View Post
    It's NOT in the First Amendment . That belief has been erroneously ingrained in our society by anti-religious groups over the years. The church vs. state separation issue was only part of a letter written by Thomas Jefferson. Read the first amendment and see for yourself if you don't believe me!
    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

    There you go. I made it bold and red so that you don't have to look too hard for it. You gotta stop listening to Bill O'Lielly.
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    My interpretation of that isn't that congress has explicitly removed religion from the act of governing, but rather that the government can not force somebody to follow a religion

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    Quote Originally Posted by voyageur View Post
    My interpretation of that isn't that congress has explicitly removed religion from the act of governing, but rather that the government can not force somebody to follow a religion
    It's actually quite clear: the government will stay out of the religion business. It's really not open to much else in the way of interpretation; it's pretty clear.
    What the second part of the amendment does, however, is give you the right to misinterpret the first part, a right you seem to have exercised.
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    Hello all,

    Quote Originally Posted by voyageur View Post
    My interpretation of that isn't that congress has explicitly removed religion from the act of governing, but rather that the government can not force somebody to follow a religion
    Voyager, the link below leads to a text by Thomas Jefferson. This text is considered the basis of the First Amendment.

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/virg_bil.htm

    "This bill is often called "the precursor to the Religion Clauses of the First Amendment" of the U.S. Constitution. 1 It is this Amendment that guarantees religious freedom for the individual, while erecting a wall of separation between church and government."

    Section II of Jefferson's draft of this bill shows one of it's intentions key to the meaning of the First Amendment:

    "WE, the General Assembly of Virginia, do enact that no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer, on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities."

    All people are free to believe as they will, and no religion can impose itself to restrict those beliefs.

    If you think about it, if all people are free to believe as they will, and beliefs among many or millions will have a multitude of differences, then how can the government Constitutionally (legally) make any law based on any religion that protects all individual beliefs guaranteed by "Freedom of Religion"? Not Possible. So there must be separation of church and state to guarantee Freedom of Religion.

    In any case Jefferson believed in the "natural rights of man" and one purpose of this bill was to remove the Anglican Church as the official state religion of Virginia at the time. His intentions were clear in a response he wrote to a request from Connecticut Baptists for a "national day of fasting":

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/amend_1.htm

    "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with solemn reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church and State." 3 (emphasis ours)

    So with Jefferson as it's source, the intention of the first amendment is precise.

    Quote Originally Posted by StefanoUS View Post
    It's NOT in the First Amendment . That belief has been erroneously ingrained in our society by anti-religious groups over the years. The church vs. state separation issue was only part of a letter written by Thomas Jefferson. Read the first amendment and see for yourself if you don't believe me!
    So what you said unintentionally is there is incontestable first had written documented proof that the source of the First Amendment, Jefferson, intended separation of church and state (which I just put above). THANK YOU VERY MUCH! That is what anyone who believes in or needs verification calls...CASE...CLOSED!

    Cheers,

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    Last edited by Merlot; 10-21-2010 at 04:06 PM.

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    Loved your last reply Rumple, way to put the ignoramuses in their place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rumpleforeskiin View Post
    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

    There you go. I made it bold and red so that you don't have to look too hard for it. You gotta stop listening to Bill O'Lielly.
    You are correct rumple..., I meant to say that the BASIS for the First Amendment was part of a letter written by Thomas Jefferson (to the Danbury Baptists in 1802).
    My bad! ... made it in red bold so you can see it and for future humiliation LOL

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