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    The American Mid-Term Elections: Republicans and Tea Partiers Be Warned.

    Hello all,

    In only a very general sense the purpose of my post is acknowledgment of the political reality of the election, and an overview assessment of the likelihood of any possible postive effect versus the likelihood of a repeated negative cycle of American partisan politics. This is not meant to be a partisan thread despite what anyone else may post.

    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news...nged?GT1=43001

    Not much change in the final NBC/WSJ poll before tomorrow’s elections… GOP headed for big House and Senate gains… One reason why: It’s overwhelmingly winning the folks who think the country is on the wrong track… Voters, including Dems, say they want more change from Obama… Poll also suggests that tomorrow is shaping up to be more of a referendum on Pelosi than Obama… The GOP’s brand, though, is still in tatters… The final day of campaigning… And Christine O’Donnell pulls an Obama and will air a 30-minute TV ad today.

    *** Why the GOP is headed for big gains: And why are Republicans headed for big gains? Check out these numbers: Among the 60% who believe the country is headed in the wrong direction, more than 70% of them prefer a GOP-controlled Congress; just 19% of them prefer a Dem-held Congress. Given these numbers, the assumption by many analysts and strategists from BOTH parties is that the undecided vote ends up breaking toward the Republicans, so the six-point advantage that translates to a gain of 50-55 seats could end up being a nine-point advantage tomorrow -- and that would put the GOP pick-ups over 60 seats. Then again, it would still mean the Republicans would have a smaller majority than the Democrats currently enjoy in the House. For Republicans to equal the current Democratic majority, Republicans would need a pickup of nearly 80 seats in the House.

    *** But wanting more change from Obama: Here’s another irony: Regarding the man who promised change in the presidential election two years ago, well, voters want more change from him. Per the poll, a combined 63% -- including 47% of Democrats -- say they want to see “a great deal of change” or “quite a bit of change” in the way Obama has been leading the country. Hart attributes this desire of change, especially from the Dems, to the state of the economy. But it’s also clear that Obama is having trouble with the middle of the country. Just 32% of self-identified independents approve of his job, and his job-approval among moderates is at 49%, which is lower than in past NBC/WSJ polls.

    *** More of a referendum on Pelosi? Yet tomorrow’s midterm elections are shaping up to be more about Speaker Nancy Pelosi and congressional Democrats than about Obama. In the poll, 15% who prefer a GOP-controlled Congress say their vote is a protest against the Obama administration’s performance; 20% say it’s a protest against the performance by Pelosi and congressional Democrats; and another 10% say it’s a protest against both. (But 48% who want Republicans in charge of Congress say their vote isn’t a protest vote -- but rather a positive one for Republicans.) What’s more, Pelosi’ fav/unfav among registered voters in the poll is 24%-50% (and 8%-61% among indies). That's compared with Obama’s 47%-42% and George W. Bush’s 32%-51%. Voters are saying: We want to fire Pelosi and send a message to Obama to make some changes.

    *** The GOP’s short leash with the public: As Republicans are poised to take back control of at least one chamber of Congress, their brand is still in tatters: 34% have a favorable view of the GOP, versus 41% who have an unfavorable view. By comparison, the Dems’ fav/unfav stands at 39%-42%, and the Tea Party’s is at 32%-40%. Given the GOP’s low standing, McInturff says Republicans would have a very short leash with the public if they end up controlling Congress. Americans, he argues, will keep voting elected officials out of office “until somebody gets the message -- which is fix the economy and get things done in Washington.” The good news for Republicans: They have been able to distance themselves from Bush’s presidency. Only 34% believe the GOP would return to Bush’s economic policies if they regain Congress, while 58% say they would bring different ideas.

    *** The Tea Party’s “fervor” and “intensity”: Hart makes a final point on the poll: The Tea Party, he says, has captured the “fervor” and “intensity” of this election season. Per the poll, 28% of registered voters identify themselves as Tea Party supporters. Among these supporters, 57% would replace every single member of Congress if they could (versus 45% of all voters who say they want to do this), and 30% say their vote is to send a message rather than elect the best person for the job (compared with 22% of the electorate who say this). Asked what kind of message they’d like to send with their vote, 50% of Tea Party supporters say that one of their top-two messages would be to return to the principles of the U.S. Constitution (versus 23% of all voters who say this). And Tea Party backers are overwhelmingly voting Republican: 85% prefer a GOP-controlled Congress, while only 10% want the Democrats in charge. The upcoming challenge for Boehner and McConnell: While independents in the poll say they want the parties to work together, the Tea Party doesn’t.


    This all reminds me of the so-called Republican Revolution of 1994 when Republicans took over the Congress largely amid strong discontent over Clinton's national health insurance plan ( among some other disliked policies) simply to implant their own policies regardless of what "the country" wanted. Tea Party success could be their and the Republicans undoing if all they do is repeat the unilateralism and deadlock of 1994, leading to national dissatisfaction and Clinton's re-election in 1996. Unfortunately for Republicans the core motivation of the Tea Party is NOT about bipartisan cooperation.

    Cheers,

    Merlot
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    I sure as hell remember. And believe me, I remember the pointless, bloody, costly wars begun by George Bush, and the huge tax breaks for the wealthy, and the little piss-ant checks mailed to the little guys to make them feel like the government was giving them a tax break while the zillionaires were wiping their asses with thousand-dollar bills. Believe me, I will not forget, and I will be at the polls bright and early to try to keep the nuts from taking over America.

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    The strange thing is that the best thing that can happen right now is for the Rethuglicans to take the house. George Bush and his Republican friends got us into this mess and, unfortunately, the American people (see: Martin, CS) wanted Obama to fix things within two months, which, of course, he couldn't. So now, those of short memory are blaming Obama and the Dems for the mess, which is not nearly as bad as it was two years back. Giving the Republicans back the house will allow them to share the blame, and will ensure Obama's re-election two years from now, returning the House to the Dems at the same time.

    The big losers, long term, in this election will be the Republicans, who will have to deal with the Teabaggers in their midst, a bunch of less than intelligent folk who really don't like the Republicans in power much more than they like the Dems. The Republican leadership will have their hands full with these morons.

    The "miracle" of the Republican party is that they continue to get a large portion of the American public to vote against their own best interests. They're getting even better at it.
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    I have a friend who was praying for McCain to win. Why? Because he foresaw this: that Obama would inherit the wind from that son of a bitch Bush, and O would have to shoulder the blame for all Bush's nonsense. And now we have tea partiers going around saying that Obama has trampled on their "liberties." The only thing I have seen trampled is a poor woman, an Obama supporter, who had her head trampled by tea partiers, stomped for daring to believe something other than what they believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bumfie View Post
    I sure as hell remember. And believe me, I remember the pointless, bloody, costly wars begun by George Bush, and the huge tax breaks for the wealthy, and the little piss-ant checks mailed to the little guys to make them feel like the government was giving them a tax break while the zillionaires were wiping their asses with thousand-dollar bills. Believe me, I will not forget, and I will be at the polls bright and early to try to keep the nuts from taking over America.
    Great post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rumpleforeskiin View Post
    The strange thing is that the best thing that can happen right now is for the Rethuglicans to take the house. George Bush and his Republican friends got us into this mess and, unfortunately, the American people (see: Martin, CS) wanted Obama to fix things within two months, which, of course, he couldn't. So now, those of short memory are blaming Obama and the Dems for the mess, which is not nearly as bad as it was two years back. Giving the Republicans back the house will allow them to share the blame, and will ensure Obama's re-election two years from now, returning the House to the Dems at the same time.

    The big losers, long term, in this election will be the Republicans, who will have to deal with the Teabaggers in their midst, a bunch of less than intelligent folk who really don't like the Republicans in power much more than they like the Dems. The Republican leadership will have their hands full with these morons.

    The "miracle" of the Republican party is that they continue to get a large portion of the American public to vote against their own best interests. They're getting even better at it.
    Great post & that's the reason why i quoted the whole thing. Many pundits have also stated that the best thing that could happen to Obama is for the Rethuglicans to take over the House for exactly the same reasons that you mentionned.

    You are also quite correct with your comment about the Teabaggers & the Republicans. Don't be surprised if we have an internal 'civil war' within the Republican party within the next 2 years, where the strenght of the Teabaggers might force moderate Republicans to leave the party to join either the Democrats or possibly even create their own party, which wouldn't surprise me at all. I'm curious which sides the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity & Glenn Beck will side with......ah, i can't wait for the Republican debates in a year or two.....it'll be great!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bumfie View Post
    I have a friend who was praying for McCain to win. Why? Because he foresaw this: that Obama would inherit the wind from that son of a bitch Bush, and O would have to shoulder the blame for all Bush's nonsense. And now we have tea partiers going around saying that Obama has trampled on their "liberties." The only thing I have seen trampled is a poor woman, an Obama supporter, who had her head trampled by tea partiers, stomped for daring to believe something other than what they believe.
    Once again, a great post. By the way, have you noticed that no Republican or Teabaggers have asked Dubya to stump for them? You see Clinton & Obama stumping for various democrats around the country, yet the only time we see this prick Bush is at the baseball game last night.....and of course, knowing that anything this asshole ever touched turns to mud, the team he cheers for & used to own got their asses kicked!

    What will help Obama two years from now is the fact there is no clear-cut Republican presidential candidate as we speak. Many democrats are praying for church lady Sarah Palin to run in 2012. I've heard that Obama's running mate might be Hillary Clinton, while Joe Biden would take over as Secretary of State. I think this would be a winning combination for the Democrats, and Biden would be a great Secretary of State. I'm also curious who would accept to be Sarah Palin's running mate if she ever wound up being the Republican nominee (God forbid!)? Crazy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by curious View Post
    The "Tea Party" is just another Republican marketing gimmick. It consists primarily of "Neo-Cons" and independents who don't like the idea of having a Black president when they can't even get a job.
    You're being way too kind. I look at them as being mostly a bunch of uneducated, racist & ignorant red neck thugs. They are all mostly very misinformed & don't make any sense whatsoever. The changes they'd want are unrealistic & often totally mindboggling. There are a few exceptions, i agree. But all in all.....

    It's mind-boggling that Teabagger Sharron Angle might actually win the Nevada Senate race. She's one of the most misinformed & nastiest Teabaggers out there.....yet, she might become a Senator? Unreal! I can't believe American politics have sunk so low!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bumfie View Post
    I have a friend who was praying for McCain to win. Why? Because he foresaw this: that Obama would inherit the wind from that son of a bitch Bush, and O would have to shoulder the blame for all Bush's nonsense. And now we have tea partiers going around saying that Obama has trampled on their "liberties." The only thing I have seen trampled is a poor woman, an Obama supporter, who had her head trampled by tea partiers, stomped for daring to believe something other than what they believe.
    Thank you Bumfie...

    Probably one of the best posts I've seen in a political thread all year. How quickly we forget who created the mess because we are too busy bitching about the guy who can't clean it up fast enough. It took that boob Dubya (who threw out the first pitch the other night) 8 years to fuck up the prosperous country and the surplus that was handed to him by Clinton. He took 8 years (after a stolen election) to totally fuck things up...and now 2 years later some people have the shortest memories in history......and just don't understand why Obama has not fixed it all yet.

    Let's hope there are enough people left in this country with common sense so that common sense will prevail.
    Enjoy life my friends....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Holliday View Post
    You're being way too kind. I look at them as being mostly a bunch of uneducated, racist & ignorant red neck thugs. They are all mostly very misinformed & don't make any sense whatsoever. The changes they'd want are unrealistic & often totally mindboggling. There are a few exceptions, i agree. But all in all.....

    It's mind-boggling that Teabagger Sharron Angle might actually win the Nevada Senate race. She's one of the most misinformed & nastiest Teabaggers out there.....yet, she might become a Senator? Unreal! I can't believe American politics have sunk so low!
    Doc,

    You are not alone in that your view is shared by many here in the states...and yes it is scary. The scariest part of all is the fear mongering and baseless campaigns that so many are running yet some people are buying the message...that is scary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jman47 View Post
    You are not alone in that your view is shared by many here in the states...and yes it is scary. The scariest part of all is the fear mongering and baseless campaigns that so many are running yet some people are buying the message...that is scary.
    Elections are about one thing, and one thing only: the economy. The American people wanted Obama and the D congress to erase all of the mis-deeds of the Bush administration overnight and last night they made them pay for not doing so.

    Remember, no one ever went broke underestimating the American public.
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    The two biggest losers in yesterday's election:

    1. Democrats who voted against the health care bill. There were 34. 4 didn't run. 17 lost. 13 were re-elected.
    2. Sarah Palin - She strongly backed 4 senate candidates who knocked off establishment Republicans in primaries: Buck, Rossi, O'Donnell, and Angle. O'Donell and Angle lost. Rossi and Buck are behind in undeclared races.
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    Another to add to the losers list. The Blue Dog Caucus, for those who might not know, are a group of 54 moderate to conservative Democrats in the US House of Representatives. There will be 24 of them returning in January. They represent almost half of the Democratic house losses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rumpleforeskiin View Post
    Another to add to the losers list. The Blue Dog Caucus, for those who might not know, are a group of 54 moderate to conservative Democrats in the US House of Representatives. There will be 24 of them returning in January. They represent almost half of the Democratic house losses.
    By contrast, only 4 of the 79 member Progressive caucus went down yesterday. The bad Democrats got beat; the good ones didn't.
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