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    Detecting LE

    Hello,

    As some of you are aware I am now working in a Massage Parlor also. I just had a very strange experience with a client. I got the feeling he was a police officer and proceeded to give him a simple massage with no options.

    I am curious what the girls do in these situations and how to handle the client after the session as he seemed annoyed but I was positive that he was a cop.

    any advice ??
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    what made think e was a LE? why don't you elaborate?

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    I think is if he is a cop he will not agree to a hand release.
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    The first time I ever met an escort in Boston, where outcall escorting is and was illegal, she entered my hotel room and before any discussion about money occurred, she pointed at her left tit and asked me to touch it, saying simply: "touch me here". I complied with this request and felt her tit. A Boston cop cannot touch tit or pussy which is why she asked me to do it. She then determined I was not LE and asked me for the money.

    Can an on duty Montreal cop touch a tit or pussy? I think not. So before you have any discussion with a client ask them to touch your tit. Then you will know it is not a cop.

    It's a free feel, for sure, but what price is your security from LE? I would think a lot more than allowing a free feel or grope of your tit.
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    What's wrong with cops wanting a good massage or a bit of expensive pussy once in a while? They've got needs like everybody else & are not on the job 24/7. I'm pretty sure we have a few active merbites that happen to be police officers and enjoy the 'hobby' as much as we all do.

    p.s. When the sex club "L'Orage" was busted a few years back, the two undercover cops (a guy and a woman) were active participants in the sex activities going on during a period of a few weeks/months. They both admitted in court that they had actually enjoyed the experience.

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    Running into on-duty LE is a risk that you take if you perform extras as a masseuse. While your gut instinct might be correct sometimes, it will probably be wrong more times than not, either with false positives or false negatives. If encountering on-duty LE is that much of a concern, stick to outcall because it's very difficult to look at someone and guess his occupation correctly.

    And if you just don't like cops, sorry to say that you've probably already serviced some without knowing it. The Doc makes a good point. Since 90% of cops are guys and 90% of guys like hot women, odds are pretty good that more than a few cops share our addiction. After all, most cops work bizzare schedules (i.e. working weekends and at times other people are asleep or partying) that pretty much kill their social lives and relationships. They've got to get it somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagerBeaver View Post
    The first time I ever met an escort in Boston, where outcall escorting is and was illegal, she entered my hotel room and before any discussion about money occurred, she pointed at her left tit and asked me to touch it, saying simply: "touch me here". I complied with this request and felt her tit. A Boston cop cannot touch tit or pussy which is why she asked me to do it. She then determined I was not LE and asked me for the money.

    Can an on duty Montreal cop touch a tit or pussy? I think not. So before you have any discussion with a client ask them to touch your tit. Then you will know it is not a cop.

    It's a free feel, for sure, but what price is your security from LE? I would think a lot more than allowing a free feel or grope of your tit.
    Why wouldn't the cop (male or female) go along with the ruse and deny it later. There are no witnesses. Male cops would enjoy a free feel, and surely there are plenty of women cops who would allow a feel up if it got them the bust (pun intended).

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    Hello all,

    Quote Originally Posted by EagerBeaver View Post
    The first time I ever met an escort in Boston, where outcall escorting is and was illegal, she entered my hotel room and before any discussion about money occurred, she pointed at her left tit and asked me to touch it, saying simply: "touch me here". I complied with this request and felt her tit. A Boston cop cannot touch tit or pussy which is why she asked me to do it. She then determined I was not LE and asked me for the money.

    Can an on duty Montreal cop touch a tit or pussy? I think not. So before you have any discussion with a client ask them to touch your tit. Then you will know it is not a cop.

    It's a free feel, for sure, but what price is your security from LE? I would think a lot more than allowing a free feel or grope of your tit.
    True IF the laws on entrapment and/or legal regulations regarding personal involvement are the same in whatever Canadian jurisdiction applies as in most of the U.S. It would seem likely, but Sexxxymtl should check through research or with a legal authority for her location specifically to be sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by sinbad View Post
    Why wouldn't the cop (male or female) go along with the ruse and deny it later. There are no witnesses. Male cops would enjoy a free feel, and surely there are plenty of women cops who would allow a feel up if it got them the bust (pun intended).

    sinbad
    Agreed. If there is no video monitoring a bad cop could have it all his/her way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Holliday View Post
    What's wrong with cops wanting a good massage or a bit of expensive pussy once in a while? They've got needs like everybody else & are not on the job 24/7. I'm pretty sure we have a few active merbites that happen to be police officers and enjoy the 'hobby' as much as we all do.
    All true Doc, but the problem is being certain about the officer's intentions. Was he after uncovering a legal violation, or just being the average guy looking for fun.


    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Holliday View Post
    Other tidbit:

    An sp friend of mine who used to work for an agency which got busted & shut down told me a few years ago that one of her regulars happened to be a local cop. She had seen him several times, but wasn't aware that he was a cop. The last time she saw him, he asked her if she was working on the following day. When she confirmed she was, he politely suggested to her that she shouldn't come in to work. He told her not to ask why he was saying this, but to trust him. She called in sick the next day. That same day, the agency got busted & it never re-opened. Charges were laid, etc. A few years later when i bumped into the sp (she had retired right after the bust), she told me that story. She later found out from one of the bookers (who had been charged) that two cops had infiltrated the agency as clients. They had spent several weeks booking girls. One of those cops was that sp's client. They were seeing girls & gathering info about the agency at the same time. The reason she retired (but later came back) was because the whole thing freaked her out & she thanked her blessings that the cop who had been her client had given her a heads-up, telling her it was in her best interests not to go to work on the following day.
    Does that mean they were enjoying the fruits of intimacy and still not in legal jeopardy of compromising their case??? If so, then the laws on allowable contact would seem to be different from common U.S. legal regulations...as best as I (not a lawyer) understand it.

    hmmm,

    Merlot
    Last edited by Merlot; 12-22-2010 at 11:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagerBeaver View Post
    The first time I ever met an escort in Boston, where outcall escorting is and was illegal, she entered my hotel room and before any discussion about money occurred, she pointed at her left tit and asked me to touch it, saying simply: ``touch me here``. I complied with this request and felt her tit. A Boston cop cannot touch tit or pussy which is why she asked me to do it. She then determined I was not LE and asked me for the money.

    Can an on duty Montreal cop touch a tit or pussy? I think not. So before you have any discussion with a client ask them to touch your tit. Then you will know it is not a cop.

    It`s a free feel, for sure, but what price is your security from LE? I would think a lot more than allowing a free feel or grope of your tit.
    Since you are a lawyer, EB, your statement leads me to a question. At one known place in NYC, as you can read constantly on another board, they have the LE check where the girl does a free for 15 seconds in the foyer before entering the front door. She asks before she proceeds. If he does not comply, she does not do the deed and she goes back thru the door not allowing him in.

    So if the guy is a cop, what`s to stop him from obtaining a search warrant and raiding the place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merlot View Post
    Does that mean they were enjoying the fruits of intimacy and still not in legal jeopardy of compromising their case??? If so, then the laws on allowable contact would seem to be different from common U.S. legal regulations...as best as I (not a lawyer) understand it.
    I'm not certain what the law is, but i do remember that the prosecutors were laughed out of court (in the "L'Orage" case) right after the two cops testified & admitted they had been participants in the activities & the female cop admitting she had enjoyed the experience. I do remember a bit of an outrage expressed by the people/taxpayers who footed the bill for such a farce of a trial where two cops were screwing around in a sex club with other consenting adults...while on duty...admitted they enjoyed the experience....and the whole case reeked political motivation on the part of the prosecution/government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merlot View Post
    Hello all,



    True IF the laws on entrapment and/or legal regulations regarding personal involvement are the same in whatever Canadian jurisdiction applies as in most of the U.S. It would seem likely, but Sexxxymtl should check through research or with a legal authority for her location specifically to be sure.

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    Does that mean they were enjoying the fruits of intimacy and still not in legal jeopardy of compromising their case??? If so, then the laws on allowable contact would seem to be different from common U.S. legal regulations...as best as I (not a lawyer) understand it.

    hmmm,

    Merlot
    This is precisely why I hate cops. I would refuse to enforce such an immoral order. Biggest fuckin hypocrites. Get pulled you over for speeding? If you are a fellow officer it is..."Oh sorry for the inconvenience. Speed all ya want. Oh and drink and drive while your at it. You are above the law."

    Here is one more instance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daydreamer41 View Post
    Since you are a lawyer, EB, your statement leads me to a question. At one known place in NYC, as you can read constantly on another board, they have the LE check where the girl does a free for 15 seconds in the foyer before entering the front door. She asks before she proceeds. If he does not comply, she does not do the deed and she goes back thru the door not allowing him in.

    So if the guy is a cop, what`s to stop him from obtaining a search warrant and raiding the place?
    It`s for the reasons Merlot already alluded to and which my post alluded to, setting up an entrapment defense. I am no expert in criminal law but my recollection from my evidence class is that there would then be a ``fruit from the poisonous tree`` defense as to any evidence yielded by a subsequent search pursuant to a warrant. That is why they do the free 15 second in NYC and the free tit or pussy grope in Boston. Vice cops work with prosecutors, and prosecutors do not want them behaving in ways that will fuck up a prosecution. This is common sense. I have seen criminal murder trials where cops were cross examined about all manner of fuckups and violations of police department protocols in investigating a crime. Good criminal defense attorneys will know the Vice Squad policy manual backwards, forwards and sideways. I have seen cross examination in court on cops who were made to look dumber than negative 200 IQ by really good criminal defense attorneys.

    In the USA, guilt must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt and reasonable doubt is very easy to create if someone comes into court and says that a cop was a willing participant in, or else initiated the illegal activity. You would also have to look at the elements of the offense charged and see whether any of them might be negated by a cop engaging in this behavior. Because of the existence and developing sophistication of videotaping ability in electronic devices that are cheap and can easily be hidden, more and more prosecutions are getting hampered because the cop is shown doing something he/she should not have been doing. We don`t know whether Lisa has secret security videocams in her Spa, and it would not be in her best interests to reveal that on this board. I am thinking most Spas probably do have security cameras for this reason, and to monitor what is going on with the ladies.

    In civil practice, more and more accidents and incidents are being captured on video. I have had several cases where motor vehicle accidents in gas stations were captured on video as well shoplifting incidents in department stores. Note that the CraigsList Killer who committed suicide was ID`d and caught because he was caught on video leaving the hotel.

    My post was meant to assist Lisa in thinking about ways to screen for LE. However, I do not know what Montreal LE can and cannot do during an investigation that could subsequently jeopardize the investigation. Some of the prior posts are very unhelpful as they offer speculation that is not really applicable involving wayward cops who were laughed out of court, or else involved off duty cops. Nobody has posted any meaningful response to the question of what Montreal LE can and cannot do during an investigation should Lisa choose to screen by allowing a free grope of her tits or pussy, or a 15 second . I think Lisa would assume that the cop will behave professionally and legally and the question is, what does that mean in Montreal?

    BTW I wonder what happens if someone prematurely ejaculates during the 15 second free in NYC? I suppose it is on the house?
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    I think as I recall from the old bootlegging and pot smuggling days... The trick is to just ask them.. Are you a cop, or officer of law.. Cochon.., policeman.., etc,.
    And that they would have to give you a straight response..?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EagerBeaver View Post
    BTW I wonder what happens if someone prematurely ejaculates during the 15 second free in NYC? I suppose it is on the house?
    Thanks for the good laugh. My frugality has me primed to cum at minute 59 (LOL).

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