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Thread: Are you ready for the tax raise..?

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    Are you ready for the tax raise..?

    Are you ready for this ridiculous tax raise..?
    I'm happy to be leaving.. This overtaxed, underserviced hellhole ( even though I love my city... )

    any thoughts on this tax raise...?
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    What tax rise?

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    We're already the most taxed province so I think that's insane. For crying out loud, cut the freaking services or bureaucracy before increasing it.

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    All I know is that the tax raise will increase the amount of items bought on the black market.. And on the web.
    Hardly a good way to support the local retailers..!
    Yes 1% isn't the end of the world., but add this to the fact that most items are already more expensive in Quebec than in the states, or the rest of Canada.. And it's commerce suicide.
    I know some will say that elsewhere the cost of living is higher... Maybe, but they pay less tax on bought items.. And they are less taxed on net salary... So they still come out on top ( except for some places where average homes are 500k )

    as 10-4 is saying.. Me personaly it won't affect my hobbying habits... But you can be sure when ever I need a big ticket item..., that I'll search through other avenues before going to a store.
    ( I've already shipped a jewlery package bought from eBay to b.c... And then mailed to Montreal... In the end the savings were quite substantial)

    this type of 'in your face' legal hustle on behalf of the provincial government is becoming more and more common..!
    Like them having part ownership in hydro Quebec.. And not allowing any competition when it comes to lighting our homes..!( and when you call they gave the nerve to say thank you for choosing hydro quebec.. As if you selected them on reputation, or good rates ?)

    the constant monopolization of everything Quebec related is increasing daily..! Hidden Quebec fees.. Or special additional shipping costs ( just for the province of Quebec ).. What about the Internet providers offering unlimited high speed Internet... And they have a base cost of 17.99$... And when they take your adress on sign-up.. They tell you that there is a 19$/monthly fee for Quebec residents.... But they don't know why...?
    All this... And now the tax raise...
    Last edited by Ricky bonds; 12-26-2010 at 06:45 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 10-4Roger View Post
    Considering no increase of the income of the average Joe.

    Considering an average net income of the average Joe at $80,000.00, the increase of 1% of the sale tax represents an additional expense of $800.00.
    Roger U believe that Joe Average's NET income (after taxes, Gross average will be 160k ?) income is 80k ?

    Tell me where do I sign up for this average Joe paying job so I can quit my present shit job ?

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    The sales tax is only the visible tip of the iceberg. Every time you buy gas, alcohol, insurance, property, electricity, pay for a driving licence etc. you paying something to the provincial government i.e. in effect, paying tax (usually hidden).

    Quebec has twice as many civil service workers per capita as Ontario. As only one example, Revenu Quebec's mere existence annoys me. It has thousands of employees and spends hundreds of millions of dollars annually. No other province of does its own income tax collection. (In the rest of Canada, one fills out a single return and adds a percentage for provincial tax.)

    Even with the highest income tax rates in North America + all the hidden taxes, we have awful roads, run down schools and hospitals and dangerously long waits for medical attention etc. In the last couple of years, the government is resorting to trickery such as delaying refunds.

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    Actually, and surprisingly, we are far from being the most taxed province in Canada. Our provincial tax is cumulative, that is, it is applied to the original price, plus the federal tax. Even with such a taxing-the-tax rule, our total tax is 12.875%, which ranks us 6th out of 10 on the most taxed provinces scale: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Canada

    Taxes in QC will also be increased in 2012.

    I buy most of my goods on the Internet, except milk and bread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Man Spors View Post
    Roger U believe that Joe Average's NET income (after taxes, Gross average will be 160k ?) income is 80k ?

    Tell me where do I sign up for this average Joe paying job so I can quit my present shit job ?
    I agree, my boss would have to double my pay so I can be an "Average Joe"
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    If Average Joe is earning $80 000 per year, a lot of Joes are doing pretty good in Quebec.

    Seriously, to be considered an 'average Joe', i doubt his salary is higher than $50 000.

    p.s. I don't blame Quebecers for being pissed off at the new increase. I'll never move to Quebec considering at how high the taxes are. Plus the fact the whole infrastructure is in shambles & all the political corruption going on in that province. One day i'll move to a neighbouring province or US state in order to be only 1 or 2 hours away from Mtl. Never will i make the mistake of relocating to that province where the taxes are high & the salaries lower than many other provinces. I feel for you people who are stuck living there!

    (No wonder there are so many young women involved in the sex business in that province alone as compared to elsewhere in North America....average people are struggling to make ends meet....same with the higher number of organized crime going on in that city alone)
    Last edited by Doc Holliday; 12-27-2010 at 09:29 AM.

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    Gents,

    We are too passive...we bitch a lot but, thats as far as we are willing to go. Try this shit over in some countries in Europe and see what happens...BOOM! all hell breaks loose! Some cases even the Government goes down!

    DA_

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10-4Roger View Post
    Bring a looney (2$) with you to cover the extra 1% sales tax for your session at 200$.

    I wonder if in addition to visiting the mom's and pop's snack bars for the collection of the sale taxe, the inspectors of Sales Tax Department will verify the strip bars, agencies, parlors and indies.
    Don't be surprised if this happens one day...soon. It did for the Waiters and Waitresses. Revenu Quebec is NOT as dumb as some of us would think. With all the, agencies, parlors, and indies...imagine the...
    " CASH COWS " they could milk and the revenu surplus they would add to their already huge hidden surplus.

    DA_
    Last edited by OnUrGspot; 01-03-2011 at 11:47 AM.

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    LOL 80k!!! last time (few years ago) i checked the official average income was around 30k for the average joe... possibly slightly less, i'd have to verify.... i'd like to know where the 50k bonus increase came from

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10-4Roger View Post
    Average Joe refers to a married guy with 2 kids , its average income after tax in 2008 was $84,900

    At $31,000 your average Joe is an unattached individual, which is not the portrait or stereotype here in Hobbyland.

    http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/famil21a-eng.htm
    Your figure of 84,900 is for BOTH the husband and wife. It says in your link that the 84,900 is for 2 (Two) salary earners.

    That's about 42,500 per INDIVIDUAL after taxes.

    The average salary for a Canadian individual is $42,000 gross BEFORE taxes.

    Your after tax figure of 84,900 is correct if both the husband and the wife are making approximately $60,000 gross, after tax breaks for the kids, net income for household will come up to about 84,900 AFTER taxes.

    However, I doubt your wife will let you spend her share of the money on hobbying hahaha.

    Please don't make Canadians appear as ultra rich people by misinterpreting the figures of your link.

    NET income after taxes for average SINGLE Canadian earning 42,000 gross will be about $32,000 after income taxes,. This for residents of QUEBEC. In the rest of Canada, income taxes are between 5% to 8% LOWER!

    Quebec is the most socialist province in Canada with the largest amount of Government employees as well as unions thus creating higher marginal tax rates versus the rest of Canada. However our roads are still the worst, what they do with the money, I don't know????????????

    Example, a SINGLE Quebec worker with NO KIDS earning $52,000 gross per year which is above average ($1000 gross per week) will NET EXACTLY $707.77 dollars after taxes. 52000 gross equals 36,764 NET AFTER TAXES IF YOU ARE SINGLE

    I just ran it on my payroll program using 2011 tax tables as I am an accountant.

    1000 gross weekly salary (25$ per hour at 40 hours for the week). Minimum wage in Quebec is 9.50 per hour as a comparison. 8.25 an hour for employees making tips (waitresses, bartenders......)

    LESS DEDUCTIONS:

    Federal income tax: 101.57
    Quebec Income Tax: 125.02
    Employment Insurance: 14.10
    Quebec Pension Plan: 46.17
    QPIP (Quebec Parental Insurance plan): 5.37

    Net paycheque for 1 week period: 707.77

    If individuals were making 84K NET as you claim, we would all be driving BMWs and Mercedes Benzs WITHOUT THE NEED FOR FINANCING hahahahahahahahaha!

    85% of Canadians are in DEBT (Mortgage, car payments, credit cards, line of credit....) and HOBBY thanks to CREDIT!

    If we made 84k net after taxes per individual, escort rates would be higher than 160 per hour.
    Last edited by EddieMoney; 01-03-2011 at 03:11 PM.

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