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    The Himel Decision Appeal

    From The Montreal Gazette:

    http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/...029/story.html

    I realize that a short article cannot do justice to all the documents filed and all the various points of view but there is one element that stands-out in the federal attorney's position.

    Basically the federal govrnment's position is that the sex workers cannot have the protection of the law while continuing to work outside the law.

    This raises two issues.

    The potential for a consensus on the matter that bridges the various sentiments expressed by various interest groups throughout Canada.

    The second issue is more basic. Are the sex workers willing to work strictly within the law and if so under what conditions?
    Last edited by eastender; 03-10-2011 at 04:12 PM. Reason: typo
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    Quote Originally Posted by eastender View Post
    From The Montreal Gazette:

    http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/...029/story.html

    I realize that a short article cannot do justice to all the documents filed and all the various points of view but there is one element that stands-out in the federal attorney's position.

    Basically the federal govrnment's position is that the sex workers cannot have the protection of the law while continuing to work outside the law.

    This raises two issues.

    The potential for a consensus on the matter that bridges the various sentiments expressed by various interest groups throughout Canada.

    The second issue is more basic. Are the sex workers willing to work strictly within the law and if so under what conditions?
    No matter what... the government's position will change only if they make lots of $$$ (taxes) out of it.
    Hell... they even created the oxymoron 'Harmonized tax'.

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    Well it seems the fact that prostitution is NOT illegal was overlooked...What is illegal is keeping a bawdy house,sollicitation and living off the avails...
    So i would arguee that if it is not illegal why force me to do it in a dangerous way.Let's compare:smoking is Not illegal how about making you buy cigarettes in a line of fire or undercover from drug dealers?If it is legitimate why make it risky?The argument that these women degrade themselves only exist because of a cultural bias.Another comparaison:Why do we hide our bodies?We are born naked aren't we?
    It is like we are incapable of making decissions so we just perch ourselves on the fence and lean one way,then the other.Nothing to do with law and society,all this is "politicailleries" as my french canadian friend would say.

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    Prostitution is illegal? Ha bon! I was not aware of it!
    I thought it was illegal in 49 of the US states, not in Canada!

    Agencies are illegal, brothels are illegal, living on the avail is illegal but not prostitution.... helloo!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastender View Post
    The potential for a consensus on the matter that bridges the various sentiments expressed by various interest groups throughout Canada.
    There is no such potential for a consensus. Prohibitionists oppose prostitution on moral grounds.

    Quote Originally Posted by eastender View Post
    The second issue is more basic. Are the sex workers willing to work strictly within the law and if so under what conditions?
    In my knowledge, virtually all Canadian sex workers organizations fighting for decriminalization say sex workers should work within the law. What do you need more?

    It would be more productive, if you are trying to make a point, to specify yourself the conditions you would expect them to meet before you accept decriminalization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gugu View Post
    There is no such potential for a consensus. Prohibitionists oppose prostitution on moral grounds.



    In my knowledge, virtually all Canadian sex workers organizations fighting for decriminalization say sex workers should work within the law. What do you need more?

    It would be more productive, if you are trying to make a point, to specify yourself the conditions you would expect them to meet before you accept decriminalization.
    My position has always been that the sex workers should be part of the mainstream.

    That said there are issues. Sex worker organizations do not have a mandate from nor do they represent a significant number - majority of sex workers. The vast majority of the workers are not organized in any fashion. Efforts in the early / mid 1970's failed and this was an era when every trade or profession was organizing.

    So the first step would be an actual organization or multiple organizations that represent a significant majority of the sex workers. This would create a power base politically and economically.

    Once organized there would be expectations of a detailed program from A-Z covering all aspects from entry into or exiting the profession with all the attendant norms and safety nets.

    Until the sex workers are supported by such an organization or organizations the debate will continue to turn in circles.

    The prohibitionists are a fringe that is not a factor. Similar to the religious fringe trying to bring prayer back to schools, etc.
    Last edited by eastender; 03-15-2011 at 10:05 AM. Reason: Addition
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