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Thread: A public reply to Dissection Tool's, aka Ziggy Montana, post on merc

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    A public reply to Dissection Tool's, aka Ziggy Montana, post on merc

    As you have made a public demand of a MERB moderator, as well as sending me an ultimatum by email, I have decided to give you a public reply.

    Almost a year after the event, you continue to make reference to a departed porn star who's name I will not post here. She was an internationally recognizable figure, someone who appeared on television, in videos too numerous to list here, and who when doing a search on her name on Google turns up hundreds of thousand of hits. Her videos are available for viewing, free without cost, on many Internet websites, including interviews with her on youtube. Yet you claim that one thread that existed on MERB for a short period of time, which few if any people outside of the hobby ever saw, has caused immeasurable pain for her friends and family. You claim that 5 sex workers had their names published on MERB due to this thread but I have found none. You also claim communications with at least one of these 5 but none of them have ever contacted me even though my email address is publicly posted in my signature and available for anyone to contact me with any concerns they might have. If anyone has any concerns they wish to discuss they are very welcome to contact me directly and I will be more than happy to discuss their concerns. As much as you continue to attempt to make an issue of this, the only review board where this is still being discussed is on merc. If there is any distress being caused, it is by your dogged refusal to move on.

    Other than that, I see no reason to apologize for giving MERB members, many of whom had interacted with this lady on a personal level, the opportunity to say their goodbyes.

    Regarding other claims you make about the 'secrecy' of MERB moderators, to be very blunt, you are full of shit. You are making claims that you can not back up as there is nothing there to find. Our job as moderators is to moderate MERB. To ensure that our rules are respected. We are not here to interfere in anyone's private life or private business affairs. We are here to run as clean board as is possible in the Internet age. Our decisions are open, our suspensions are public, shills when discovered are made public and banned. None of us have any stake in any agency. We have no financial interest in MERB or in any part of the hobby. In short, we have no reason at all and nothing to gain by permitting anyone to shill on this board. Unlike the owner of merc who has numerous financial interests in the hobby and permits shills and duplicate handles to freely post on his 'review' board in the interest of padding his personal bank account.

    To be very direct, DT or Ziggy or whatever handle you wish to use, you can take your demands and stick them up your ass. Who elected you the protector of the sex industry in Montreal? What gives you the right to make unsubstantiated accusations against the only review board in Montreal that is run without any interference from outside interests? Who the hell do you think you are to send me an ultimatum?

    I advise anyone who is being libeled on merc to consult legal counsel. If your personal information is being revealed, in whatever roundabout way, you have legal grounds to file charges and claim financial compensation. If required by your lawyer, I will do my best to supply you with any board system logs, including IP addresses, times of access and system identifiers, necessary to subpoena an ISP to identify the individuals responsible so that they may be served with legal documents. I will also be happy to meet with your legal counsel in person and disclose any information they require, under a confidentiality agreement regarding my identity - which I will waive if a court appearance is required.

    We will not be blackmailed and will not permit our members to be blackmailed or have their personal lives destroyed. If you wish to play games, then let's play. I have had enough of this bullshit.

    In short, Ziggy...FUCK YOU!

    Mod 8
    Last edited by Mod 8; 05-13-2011 at 10:44 PM.

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    Seriously everyone,

    We are all supposed to be here to share information and have some fun doing so. But for some reason, some people seem to take everything just a bit too seriously. If these review boards are all you have in your life I suggest that you get out of the house from time to time and make some friends. Over on merc we have everyone's favorite 'weights and measures' specialist, Bensonnobalia, who does nothing but claim that every review of a SP from an agency that has banned him, pretty much every agency in town, is a shill. You never see him say anything bad about any merc advertiser. Isn't that interesting? So who is the real shill here? Any wonder why Tom allows him to spew his false claims with impunity?

    You have Ziggy Montana, or Dissection Tool, who apparently believes he is God's designated protector of the working girl. Considering how much time he spends on merc complaining about and posting attacks on MERB, you have to wonder where he finds the time to get to know any of these ladies or if he has totally lost his mind. Does he have nothing more important in his life than chasing his imaginary ghosts? Maybe his new handle should be Dissection Fool.

    There are also the numerous one off handles who post 'reviews' over there who are never doubted or questioned. At least not by anyone who wishes to remain a member of that board. Questioning the authorities over there will put you on the fast track to oblivion.

    Some think that we mods have so much power over the industry. I hate to burst your bubble but all we do is moderate this board. This is not our life, it is not the most important part of our life, it is basically something most members here should understand, it is our hobby. We enjoy providing a decent atmosphere for everyone to post and share their reviews, stories, sports rivalries and other topics. We enjoy reading the posts and threads as much as anyone else on the board. We are hobbyists also, after all.

    There are no conspiracies here. No hidden agendas. We wake up in the morning and check the board for any overnight problems, go to work, live our lives, enjoy our loved ones and enjoy the hobby. We are no different from anyone else who is here. MERB is not our life. Maybe it occupies a bit more of our time than the average poster and we have board powers that ordinary members do not. But in the end, we are all the same and we are all her for the same reason, to enjoy what life holds and all it's little pleasures.

    That's all there is folks. No big mysteries, no big secrets. If you had access to our admin forum, all you would find is a large collection of off topic posts, deleted threads, some administrative crap about rules, guides for new mods and other boring shit that you would probably never be bothered to read. We are all just people trying to enjoy life. So enjoy yourselves, have fun, share your experiences good and bad so that we all can benefit from them. Ignore those idiots on merc who take this all way too seriously and let them wallow in their own misery. Their pitiful existence does not have to be yours and they can be ignored. They are not important in the big picture. They just wish they were because they have nothing else.

    Have fun and play safe. That is all that matters because more quickly than any of us want to realize, our time in the sun will be done, others will have taken our place, hopefully in a more accepting world for our hobby pursuits, and all we will have are our memories. Make sure that they are good ones.

    Mod 8

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mod 8 View Post
    Who elected you the protector of the sex industry in Montreal?
    Quote Originally Posted by Dissection Tool/Ziggy View Post
    Simple. 1. The vast majority of merc's membership doesn't write reviews. Pay attention and you will see that members here with over 3000 posts to their credit haven't written reviews for some time if any. 2. I never meant this to be and I don't take pride nor do I really care but I'm probably one of the 3 or 4 members of both boards who, since 2005, has generated the greatest amount of traffic. The bottom line is, where most members post in a vacuum hardly generating more that 200 views, I on the other hand have a readership. That's the way it is.
    Well Mod8,

    This post above explains a lot.

    Ziggy. From what he has posted publicly about himself, he seems to be someone born in many advantages. In short he has as many choices and opportunities as anyone to choose his future as he might wish. With all those options, he has chosen to make himself the leading attention obsessed, look at me everybody, pursuer of vendettas on a sex review board where psychotic obsession for revenge is their purpose...and that is the core of his conceit and pride...by choice.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mod 8 View Post

    In short, Ziggy...FUCK YOU!

    Mod 8
    Feels good doesn't it.

    God help him,

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    Last edited by Merlot; 05-14-2011 at 11:05 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mod 8 View Post
    I advise anyone who is being libeled on merc to consult legal counsel. If your personal information is being revealed, in whatever roundabout way, you have legal grounds to file charges and claim financial compensation. If required by your lawyer, I will do my best to supply you with any board system logs, including IP addresses, times of access and system identifiers, necessary to subpoena an ISP to identify the individuals responsible so that they may be served with legal documents. I will also be happy to meet with your legal counsel in person and disclose any information they require, under a confidentiality agreement regarding my identity - which I will waive if a court appearance is required.
    Mod 8
    I am not a lawyer, but I think in order to be damaged of libel or slander, your name has to be defamed. Since everyone posting here is really annonymous in the sense they have a handle and no one knows anybodys real name, unless you choose to tell them, I don't see how you can make a court case out anything someone posts here or a similar board like MERC. Maybe EB can chime in or someone else who is a lawyer in Quebec or Canada.

    If Ziggy or Disection Tool posts that someone has done something illegal and they get arrested and the accusation is false, then hell yes, that person could sue Ziggy for Slander, Defamation, etc., etc. If that would happen, the poor person's REAL NAME would be all over the newspapers and media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mod 8 View Post
    Ziggy...FUCK YOU!

    Mod 8
    Mod 8, be respectful pls, dont use the inappropriate words on Merb !
    Last edited by CLAVIE; 05-14-2011 at 01:23 AM.

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    I was actually restraining myself. Trust me, I could have been considerably more expressive.

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAVIE View Post
    Mod 8, be respectful pls, dont use the inappropriate words on Merb !

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    Ziggy has posted links on merc that lead to the private identity and information of a MERB member. This could be damaging in his future business pursuits as many businesses today do very thorough verifications on the Internet before concluding an agreement, whether hiring an individual or entering into a contract. Posting such information is irresponsible at least and malicious at worst. I believe a case could be made for either. In any case, is anyone willing to have their personal lives connected to the hobby with all the difficulties that might arise from such exposure? Is there any reason, beyond self aggrandizement, to cause such problems for anyone you are not personally involved with? No, i do not think that there is. DT or Ziggy, is only trying to fill some large gap in his personal life by trying to find some meaning for himself by destroying others. This is a very sad state of affairs.

    There is no logical reason for such behavior that I can think of. If his life is so empty and hollow that he feels some necessity to destroy the lives of others, or to play protector of those he feels cannot stand up for themselves, he is in desperate need of professional assistance. There is no need for the self proclaimed protectors of the business on merc to comment or interfere in this community. I believe that we have done a fine job of moderating MERB since it came into existence. The moderators who were here before us did an excellent job, I feel that the current mods are doing an excellent job - at least we do our best, and I hope the moderators that come after us will carry on the tradition of putting the MERB community first above any individual member or advertiser as we have all tried to do.

    We have built a community together, maybe not a perfect one- what community is after all, but the best one we have been able to build. We are not bitter, we do not attack each other with animosity. Sure, we have our disagreements, our flame wars, but in the end we all come together. That is what is really important. Let merc and their rejects attack us and spew their lies and rumors. Does it really matter in the end? Anyone who spends more than a few minutes there will realize that the only reason they are so bitter on merc is because they are no longer permitted to post here. They are like a little dog with a big bark but no bite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daydreamer41 View Post
    I am not a lawyer, but I think in order to be damaged of libel or slander, your name has to be defamed. Since everyone posting here is really annonymous in the sense they have a handle and no one knows anybodys real name, unless you choose to tell them, I don't see how you can make a court case out anything someone posts here or a similar board like MERC. Maybe EB can chime in or someone else who is a lawyer in Quebec or Canada.

    If Ziggy or Disection Tool posts that someone has done something illegal and they get arrested and the accusation is false, then hell yes, that person could sue Ziggy for Slander, Defamation, etc., etc. If that would happen, the poor person's REAL NAME would be all over the newspapers and media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CLAVIE View Post
    Mod 8, be respectful pls, dont use the inappropriate words on Merb !
    Quote Originally Posted by Mod 8 View Post
    In short, Ziggy...FUCK YOU!

    Mod 8
    I feel this is like "Deux poids, deux mesures..."

    As far as I understand, Mods are not above and beyond the rules set on this board. Being a Moderator is just a priviledge despite the few pros and multiple cons. In the end, they are just members like us, and that's it.

    I understand Mod8 was personnally targeted by Blue, but was it necessary to get out of line despite the frustration? Actually, you are giving them credit especially when you end it up with a "Ziggy...Fuck You!" Parlez en en bien, parlez en en mal, mais parlez en! I am sure that at this time, people are getting on Blue just to read what Ziggy has to say about you. And you know what? He's winning on this one. You fell for it. All bait, no switch. Like sometimes it's just better to shut it up!

    If I would have said Fuck You, would I've been ban for not deing respectful?

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    "I, on the other hand, have a readership." Wow. What a sick motherfucker. We already know Ziggy was delusional and paranoid. Megalomania is the icing on the cake.

    I agree with Mod8 that Ziggy's revelation of personal information, now easily found on Google, is actionable. What is also clear is that Ziggy is not the only liable party, but that his publisher, Tom, is equally so. Tom created this Frankenstein, this poor pathetic Gollum-like creature and Tom will have to live with the results of his irresponsibility. While Ziggy is a creature of the keyboard, a fake figure behind which there is a shell of a person with no other life, Tom's real name and address are easily found and he is easily served with papers. One would hope that Tom will have the brains and sense of self-preservation to make all traces of DT and ZM disappear from the face of merc. The last thing Tom needs is to be dragged back into court.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rumpleforeskiin View Post
    One would hope that Tom will have the brains and sense of self-preservation to make all traces of DT and ZM disappear from the face of merc.
    His biggest blunder was calling for an escort from a cheap motel room(lack of cashflow), a life altering mistake. Very dumb. Now his real identity is out there like Paris Hilton's sex tape. Legal actions against him can be pursued at any time.Who here will be smart enough to take initiative against the corpulent(real fat) old dummy?

    Poor guy. The guys around him are smart enough to put his dumbass in the forefront because they know exactly how this is going to end.
    Last edited by Lovemaker; 05-14-2011 at 07:31 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mod 8 View Post
    Maybe his new handle should be Dissection Fool.
    hahahaha!!
    Last edited by Lovemaker; 05-14-2011 at 07:32 AM.

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    Chantelle London Thread

    There is a distinct situation and thread on this board that merits consideration within the context of the present thread which once the personalities involved are set aside involves comparables.

    The Chantelle London Thread from post 11 to the end.

    https://merb.cc/vbulletin/showthread...antelle+london
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seth View Post
    Vendetta,you mean like the boycotte of escorts who advertised on the blue board.led by non other than yours truely and sanctioned by guess who.
    I was unaware that your were the leader of the boycott, Oliver.
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    This thread has been cleaned and posts that are no longer relevant have been removed.

    Oliver/Seth, I have allowed you to remain here despite the fact that you still have a permanent ban in place. If you intend to do nothing more than stir up shit and attempt to start flame wars among MERB members, I will not hesitate to send you packing. You have been given a very rare opportunity to redeem yourself, do not waste it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mod 8 View Post
    This thread has been cleaned and posts that are no longer relevant have been removed.

    Oliver/Seth, I have allowed you to remain here despite the fact that you still have a permanent ban in place. If you intend to do nothing more than stir up shit and attempt to start flame wars among MERB members, I will not hesitate to send you packing. You have been given a very rare opportunity to redeem yourself, do not waste it.

    Mod 8
    Makes no sense to me? They have a Permanent Ban on them yet, permitted to stay? to stir shit? You're kind of inviting this, on this board don't you think?

    Just saying and expressing my opinion.

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