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    Sometimes You Just Don't Wanna Know Your SP

    I've been hobbying for a long while now and I make it an effort not to know my SP's personal life. It's not that I'm insensitive about their lives, it's just that I want different things from them when we meet. We all have our problems, so I don't want to hear someone elses. I don't care about how your boyfriend broke up with you and now your an SP so you can pay your rent and tuition. Or how you have be an SP so that you can give your daughter a better life because your gangster boyfriend bit the bullet. The worst one was one SP who told me how when she use to strip she would steal the other girls money and cell phones, basically after she told me that I made sure to know where her hands were at all times.
    "Just When I Thought I Was Out.....They Pull Me Back In!!!"

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    Everybody lies!!

    the whole SP experience is that you are paying for a pretense, more like going on a casual date, which you know will never get serious, and you also know: you will get laid 100% after spending $200+.

    So use your imagination/story telling skills to spice up the act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raj View Post
    Everybody lies!!

    the whole SP experience is that you are paying for a pretense, more like going on a casual date, which you know will never get serious, and you also know: you will get laid 100% after spending $200+.

    So use your imagination/story telling skills to spice up the act.
    Who is this soothsayer? Who is this distributor of such wisdom? Wow! Great post! Nothing they say during a session can be accepted as truth and this goes both ways. In some cases I find myself lying my ass off to get laid for free or at least leaving out significant details (such as my involvement with my S.O.). But don’t worry guys, just as Rodney Dangerfield said in Back to School…. ”Son, you don’t lie to me, you lie to girls.” I took this advice to heart. It goes both ways.

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    Just try to keep there mouth full they wont talk much heehee.

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    I'm quite aware that this whole business is one big lie. If it wouldn't be for constant lying, you wouldn't have the escort business.

    The girls lie to nearly everyone in their personal life in regards to being an sp. They often become a 'character' in order to 'work' and will make up stuff as they go along. Becoming a character (or at times adopting another personality) is how some are able to come with this 'profession'. They will lie to their friends & family about how they made the money they have, etc. Lies, lies, lies.

    Agencies lie all the time. They lie to their girls, they lie to their drivers, they lie to their clients, they lie to the government, they lie, lie, lie.

    Clients are no better. They are in fact possibly the biggest liars of the whole bunch. Most of the johns lie to their families, friends & acquaintances about what goes on when they travel to Mtl. They even lie to themselves! They'll find many excuses to justify what their doing.....to justify that they've come at a point in their lives where they must pay $$ to young women in order to get laid. They'll often tell themselves & to others that they don't really need to pay for sex. That they pay for sex because they don't have much spare time on their hands to socialize....that it's makes more sense to pay in order to get laid instead of getting involved in relationships that will likely fail....that they resort to paying prostitutes only because their wives don't put out. Or, another popular one: i also sleep with women outside the 'hobby' which i don't have to pay. Yeah.....a decade or so ago, maybe!

    The 'clients' will often lie right through their teeth whenever they happen to speak with an sp or the agency. Many will make up fictional names, fictional professions & fictional details about themselves. You might have an insurance broker claiming to an sp that he's a lawyer. You might have a cop claiming to the sp he's a fireman (hey, cops are as horny or lonely as anyone else & need some tlc or to get laid too, right?). The male nurse telling the sp he's a doctor. The guy who's struggling to pay his bills telling the sp he's a multimillionaire, etc. Yes, many clients lie to themselves.....and many believe their own lies!

    Speaking for myself, i treat sps with respect....like i'd expect to be treated. Considering i'm the one giving them a few hundred $$ in order for them to come & see me at my place, they've earned my respect. It's not an easy job & many of the young sps will later regret ever entering this world.....and many regret this while already being in it. The large majority of 'clients' that i have met over the years would never want, nor be able to work as an sp. Some claim they'd like doing it, but don't realize that in most cases, you don't get to 'pick and chose'. The 'boss' gives the driver an address, you get driven to that same address, and most of the time, you have no idea who's standing behind the door & how the 'encounter' will go. And an hour or so later, the whole process starts over until you're driven back home in the wee hours of morning, exhausted & feeling sore all over. Hard to believe, but that's how it goes.....

    During an encounter, i'll try to make my guest feel comfortable and safe while she's in my presence. I try to be myself....easygoing, funny at times & chatty if i need to be. I will never rush my guest into getting to the 'main event'. I'll let her ask questions & listen to what she says. If she wants to volunteer some things about herself, i'll listen to what she has to say & maybe ask a question or two if she allows me to. We are both aware that this is a business transaction, after all, but it doesn't hurt to make things easier for the both of you & what i've found over the years is that treating someone with respect has its dividends.

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    Since I don't think it would be that much fun having sex with a blow-up doll I like to think of my sp's as real people with real lives. So I don't mind a few shared details. I have nothing to hide so why lie ? If they lie that's fine as long as its not a stupid ones that insult your intelligence ( age and weight are the most frequent in this category).

    Obviously on a first appointment I don't want complaints about the ex etc. but a few details just make the girl human and usually more interesting. Believe it or not I've met cello players, translators, carribean real estate agents, medical professionals, fitness instructors, modern dance students and one girl majoring in literature. Most of it might even have been true but it was all fascinating.

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    excellente review ,quoi dire de plus, la vie est un éternel mensonge et il faut apprendre a vivre avec.Il est sur que lors d'une rencontre il faut prendre le temps de sécuriser la sp si tu veux avoir une rencontre agréable.Que celui qui n'a jamais menti lance la premiere pierre!

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    This thread seems a bit dark, or maybe I'm too naive. I haven't been hobbying for long and I don't intend to, I don't think I'm made for it.

    To me, an intimate encounter with a girl, sp or not, needs some sincerity. I don't want to have sex with a character, I'm with somebody afterall. The personality is important and if I feel there's too much faking overall (not only moanings, but pyaing a character), I'm gonna be disapointed even if the service is great and the girl beautiful. I'd rather hear their stories and have an open mind about it then having them not to be themselves.

    It's kind of weird, but I find easier threating my gf (after building chemistry and experimenting things togheter) or even a one night stand (if the girl shows interest in it) like a, pardon my word, "whore" (talking dirty, ass slapping, etc...) than a sp that "provides" this service for me. The reason behind that is that I don't know the sp, and the buisness transaction side of things takes away the truth. She wouldn't be there if I wasn't paying her, period. In that case I prefer threating them with sensitivity, listening to them and being attentive. Showing that you care seems the only way she might have a sincere pleasure in being there. Then if she's really into ass slapping and all that shit she'll make it clear to you, I guess.

    Or maybe I'm just to naive...

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    When I go see a movie or a play I know its just make believe. It only has to be true for a couple hours. Of course if a girls tells me I'm the best she ever had I suspect she's probably stretching the truth a bit. If she tells me she has a puppy named Spot I'll take her word for it.

    I don't care much about the details of the ladie's family life, other jobs, etc. I mostly care about their personality and its a lot harder to lie about your personality.

    "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth"
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    “Truth, Justice, Freedom, Reasonably Priced Love.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siocnarf View Post
    When I go see a movie or a play I know its just make believe. It only has to be true for a couple hours. Of course if a girls tells me I'm the best she ever had I suspect she's probably stretching the truth a bit. If she tells me she has a puppy named Spot I'll take her word for it.
    [Oscar Wilde
    Another great post and analogy by Siocnarf.

    Wallseye, it's not just about her faking her enjoyment although that is something that a skilled provider will have to master. Not the fake moans (God I hate insincere moaning) but the ability of trying to enjoy or stand someone to whom she would never consider dating if it weren't for the financial transaction. Doc is correct. No one is ever totally honest during a session. Do we not have hobby handles? Hobby disposable cell phones that we refer to as "bat phones?" Do we not have bogus Hobby e-mail addresses used only for the hobby? I once gave a girl in Montreal my business card after a session (WTF was I thinking?)...I will never do that again. Do we not cringe when in the USA when an agency asks for our contact info as part of a LE check? On the other side, do the SP's use their real names? Do they not cover their faces in their pictures on the web sites?

    I have had a few SPs that I have considered dating last year. One girl I actually did catch up with outside of her work is from a developing nation. I couldn't get myself to give out my real last name and contact info etc. I only provided what she needed to know so that we could meet up again. As we stared into each others eyes while holding hands lyeing through our teeth whispering sweet nothings...I wondered what the possibilities were that we could actually have a real relationship? Probably not good. If one of these girls (especially a SP from a developing nation) can get you to merry and impregnate her then they will be able to extract a fee far, far greater than any fee paid to the highest HDH girl for a weekend date.

    So treat them well, be pleasant, courteous, hygienic, etc. but leave no trail

    P.S. - I love a having a glass of wine and having small talk with the girl befoer and after the sex and between pops. I love it and need it as part of the service.

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    I like talking with the girls and hearing what they have to say. Do they lie? Some of them must, but it's not like I hear anything so dramatic. Just the usual stuff people talk about.

    The thing is, most of the escorts I've met have been friendly, pleasant, nice people. If most of them weren't, I'd see a lot fewer of them.

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    Totally agree with you, TheDon.
    But it's rare --fortunately --- that sps do go to the extent of being too much upfront about those things.
    It remains a case of learning and adjusting though: one of my all time favourite sps, now retired since a long time, did indulged in way too private details
    on our 1st encounter. On subsequent visits, I made sure the discussion was not around her own interests / emotions ;o
    DENISE MILANI REDEFINES HOTNESS! !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Holliday View Post
    ... Clients are no better. They are in fact possibly the biggest liars of the whole bunch ... They even lie to themselves! ...
    say it aint so Doc! say it aint so!
    well, muffinbuffer might be the exception to the rule eh MB!?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDon View Post
    I've been hobbying for a long while now and I make it an effort not to know my SP's personal life. It's not that I'm insensitive about their lives, it's just that I want different things from them when we meet. We all have our problems, so I don't want to hear someone elses. ... The worst one was one SP who told me how when she use to strip she would steal the other girls money and cell phones, basically after she told me that I made sure to know where her hands were at all times.
    Don, i hear you though i dont feel the same way... perhaps if i was hobbying exclusively in-call, indy in-call or street action i wouldnt want to hear that bs from the girls and their exploits. as an outcall hotel guy, i don't mind the stories and welcome them... adds fuel to the session. sometimes the f'ed up stuff plays into my fantasy.

    a mommy sp'ing to get funds for baby, love that one!
    students with tuition, boyfriend with bad habit, love that too.
    recovering druggies nearing retirement from the biz, great stuff.
    straightlaced student, jilted gf, soccer mom, bored desk jockey... that's amazing.
    it's almost cliche for the girl to be an ex-stripper... haven't we heard all the stripper stories before, shouldnt be anything left to tell that would put us off. but that's just me.

    meeting someone you might not normally meet (plus the "story" / baggage they come with) is possibly part of the fun of this hobby... then they exit stage right after an hour or 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDon View Post
    I've been hobbying for a long while now and I make it an effort not to know my SP's personal life. It's not that I'm insensitive about their lives, it's just that I want different things from them when we meet. We all have our problems, so I don't want to hear someone elses. I don't care about how your boyfriend broke up with you and now your an SP so you can pay your rent and tuition. Or how you have be an SP so that you can give your daughter a better life because your gangster boyfriend bit the bullet. The worst one was one SP who told me how when she use to strip she would steal the other girls money and cell phones, basically after she told me that I made sure to know where her hands were at all times.
    Hello TD,

    Not in reference to you, but generally speaking this reminds me of an overall situation:

    Funny how after 10 years I almost never have heard conversations like this from the ladies. Whether this kind of conversation is a ploy for sympathy or profit, or some sort of desperate wish to feel human sympathy, or find help, only she can know for certain. Maybe some ladies pour these stories out to clients for any of those reasons or other reasons only the ladies can understand. But in my long experience I have hardly heard anything like this. Ladies have mentioned many things but almost never their personal problems. A few ladies I did get to know over time did finally open up about their hard personals lives. It's natural if one sees any other person over a significant period. But I've very rarely had any stories like these thrust at me, and it was very minimal when it happened.

    I have to wonder why some clients seem to run into these outpourings much more frequently? If some ladies are going on unsolicited with these stories then they and their agencies should be reminded this is unprofessional and out of bounds. This situation is unacceptable. Clients are meeting the ladies for fantasy not consultation, and the ladies are there to provide ...hmmm... "comforting stimulation" so to speak. While I do feel human empathy for the anyone's problems, which may be especially sensitive when sharing intimacy with a beautiful woman, these stories should not be imposed on the encounter.

    But, I have heard and read where many clients have mixed business with their own personal intrusions, either delving into the lives of the ladies or prompting them for personal information on fellow hobbyists. After reading Bigdoggie, Canbest, and the current boards for years it's clear many clients also impose themselves on the ladies instead of keeping cnversation within the business relationship. Not that getting to know each others lives is always improper. People naturally move closer over time. But there have been many clients who have made personal intrusion a continuous practice.

    These intrusions come from both sides and both sides should remember to keep their personal lives to themselves.

    In reference to you Don, any lady who is imposing her personal issues should be reported to her agency. This should not happen, just as no client should do any of the same. If it gets overwhelming where the encounter cannot continue then send her back...unpaid if there was no intimacy. These personal intrusions are a breech of business...no matter how sympathetic one may be.

    Good luck,

    Merlot
    Last edited by Merlot; 01-02-2012 at 07:01 PM. Reason: clearer

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