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    Smile Definitions? Please Donít Get Too Hung Up On Definitions! Just Have A Good Time!

    A little historical background:

    This professor is a little slow to join the discussion when a certain thread on the review of Ms. Chloe was closed. My intention here is to hold a meaningful discussion on definitions such as the terms GFE, PSE, and HME. There is no intention to defend or offend anyone, except perhaps a little hedonistic fun.

    Let me begin by praising Sporty Sportif. Pal, you are starting to impress this professor here by dismissing ďthese stupid definitionsĒ. Sometime we should go out for a drink! Please make sure you have a couple of beautiful coutesans to keep us company.

    To my fellow merbites, this professor thinks definitions such as GFE, PSE, and HME are meaningless to you if you do not enjoy the actual experience of the rendezvous. Otherwise, if these definitions mean so much to you, why not just make love to these terms and save your money.

    Let me elaborate further:
    Some lady may give Mr. Hobbyist a TC in a detached and robotic manner. I do not think any reasonable human being wants to say it is GFE. He may very well complain that it is liken to having sex with a blown up doll. On the contrary, if your date has a sore throat and she does not want to give you but BJ with a condom, however let you do Greek, Russian, Asian, and give you passionate loving care in every other possible way, would you not say it is not GFE? Perhaps you will say it is GFE plus PSE plus HME, and what have you. (Geeze, I love to have this babe just to myself. )

    So is TC a necessary requirement to GFE? Does it necessarily make it GFE+? I think not. How about no in the above passionate love making example, is it not GFE? Really??? The irony is that GFE or PSE or HME loses its intended meaning if you are too obsessed with definitions. It is the action and the experience involved which count most. Mere words do not amount to too much. If you and your date are happy and satisfied with each other, that is what counts.

    So let us be nice to our SPs and have many happy reciprocated returns from them. Or Professor Louis is going to keep all of them to help rebuild my Pan Hellenistic Empire. At the minimum, I am going to keep Ms. Chloe as my ďfile ladyĒ as so well said by Sportif in the closed thread. Ok, ok, I think my honorable friend Sporty wants to say ďfine ladyĒ. It is just that his fingers were misbehaving then.

    To sum up, in the spirit of hedonism, please donít get too hung up on definitions, just have a good time instead.

    Professor Louis,

    The exiled philosopher king of the Pan Hellenistic Empire.
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    Well said Louis!

    Ronnie,
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    They will forget what you said,
    they will forget what you did,
    but they will never forget the way you made them feel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by louisisgreat
    A little historical background:

    To sum up, in the spirit of hedonism, please donít get too hung up on definitions, just have a good time instead.

    Professor Louis,
    Again, well said Lou. However i think that we should also put such an abbreviation scoring system in its right perspective and give it the credit it deserves. I think it`s important to have an abbreviation scoring system describing our experiences for the sake of conveying an overall assessement to our fellow Merbite readers that goes beyond just a subjective description by rather providing a more objective account that no one can challenge. Such objectivity facilitates comparisons between multiple assessments pertaining to the same provider which ultimately has the potential of leading to the most accurate sp portrait possible . On an individual or one-on-one level, however, i agree that the scoring system and the use of abbreviations doesn`t mean much for it doesn`t capture all of the subtleness that factors into an client-sp encounter on an individual level.

    One point still bothers me, though, and that`s the notion of GFE. I think that the major consensus among Merbites is that DATY++DFK=GFE, but, for me, i put more weight on DATY and DFK than i do on BJ in the sense that if DATY and DFK are not on the menu, i`m usually somewhat disappointed. If, however, i`m given DATY and DFK, then i could be given a CBJ but that wouldn`t change much my overall appreciation which i would deem to be very satisfying nonetheless. Maybe it`s a question of where our terminal sensory nerve endings are the most concetrated , guessing that for me it must be at the tongue...

    And finally, i also have a little problem with the argument that a girl who gives you neither DFK nor DATY can still give you a GFE. In my experience in the hobby, i cannot say that this has ever happened to me. I therefore deem it impossible unless you consider that dining out with a girl can procure you GFE if the conversation, the eye contact or the hand touching seem out of this world .

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    Louisisgreat indeed...

    Well said dear Professor!

    In my opinion, a great experience goes far beyond any definition or specific service rendered or not. Its the overall combination of look, personality, attitude, services and probably atmosphere that`s really make the difference on my own GFE scale. What combination works for me with a specific SP might not as fulfilling for another hobbyist. It may be varying depending on your own mood or specific anticipation from an encounter.

    Subjectivity is specially true with SP`s scoring. While I agree that the revised system in the current Montreal spreadsheet allows a more precise relative appreciation between SPs, who can really define what the 10 stands for. A 7-8-9 appreciation from certain hobbyist might very well be a 8-9-10 for me depending on what you like and what you did get from a specific encounter. SPs who are versatile, creative and adaptive to a variety of hobbyst`s preferences will normally, on average, keep a high score. Other SPs who have, for any reason, specific service restriction for example may please very well some and not others.

    I`ve seen quite a number of SPs over the last 20 years. Various looks and services (I love to experiment, will try almost anything once, if not twice to make sure I like it or not). I have now a pretty good idea of what I like and dislike. When someone registers a 8, 9 or 9,5 of my own global GFE scale, I will repeat. If for any reason I feel I cannot have an interesting experience with a SP, I will not.

    As far as which minimal services should be included in the GFE label, there as many definitions as they are individuals. Personally, DFK is an intrinsic part of any GFE but may not be for others. I could go without on a certain occasion if my favorite SP (or myself) have a blister on my lip, but I cannot go without on the long run. Cut the kisses and you cut the GFE for me. I met goddesses you would kill for, offering great services otherwise but who have decided, in their own rights, that kissing is not part of their services. I respect that but that`s not what I`m looking for and I won`t repeat.

    I do like DATY, and specific positions but whether I can have these or not with a SP or on a certain occasion is not really a factor in my appreciation of the experience. I`m not into Greek or the various TC variations (I wouldn`t do it myself, why expect this from someone else). There would be not plus for me with those. I had great GFE in my book with no DATY, no BJ or a CBJ but with lots of very hot DFKs and highly creative positions.

    All this is an interesting debate but I think you cannot put all personal preferences and service anticipations in any single definition or label.

    Like to hear what others have to say about all this.

    Lion Heart

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    This is all about personal preference. One person's GFE is another persons PSE and yet a third persons HME.It is all about personal likes and dislikes.

    I have always looked at this system and it's abbrevations as a guidelines, rather than a bible. Since this is a very personal business with two(or more) sharing the ultimate intimacy, emotions and moods will dictate the day.

    SP's are human, and their own state of mind in combination with the chemistry between her and the client, will have a large impact on the experience.
    I have seen a few SP's in various situations, the most memorable ones, are the ones I felt connected with. The sense of honesty, genuity and chemistry go along way for me in remembering and rating an SP. The "wham, bam, thank you madam" thing just doesn't worik me, no matter how skilled an SP is.
    Some other guys might just look for that, which of course will influence their score.
    The abbreviations can give me some sense on what to expect. If it is well known that a particular SP doesn't provide a certain service, that makes me tick, than I just stay away.
    Variety is the spice of life, and there is a lot of variety out there.

    The biggest service that this board provides is to flag the "black sheep" of the business. Those that are just plain dishonest and are not meeting their promises.
    Even there I am careful to judge. "Here face was ugly" " Her butt was big" and " I didn't like her tatoos" are comments on personal preference.
    "She left early" "She didn't show up" and "Her profile didn't match the real person" are concrete issues, that can be meassured.

    Well, that's my two cents.

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    Question Why use the abbreviation GFE? It's meaningless!

    Let`s make it easy: forget the term GFE. Just put it aside. This definition is too subjective to be of any use. Why try to resume to a few letters an experience that involved all our senses? If the girl does DFK, say so, if she offers DATY, same thing. That`s what`s being done already but If, overall, you had a great experience and would repeat, instead of saying a meaningless ``she was a true GFE``, explain what you felt and why it was good.

    A girl can be as ``nutty`` as you can imagine, doing it in every hole, every position and any order you can imagine, all without condom. She might be doing DFK, DATY, TC and name it but, if she`s cold as ice, she`s no ``girlfriend type ``to me. Is she a PSE? If PSE only involve the ``mechanical`` part of the deal and includes the girl being as noisy as possible, even if she`s evidently faking it, then can we say she`s a PSE? I`d say yes. That one is easier to classify than the GFE.

    Just my opinion
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    Quote Originally Posted by regnad
    I'd like to hear from the ladies on this next point. I'm not a woman so I can't speak from their perspective, but to my mind I can think of little less appealing than sticking a chemical covered latex balloon in my mouth. Uggh. I can no more imagine performing a CBJ than I can rooting for the Yankees.
    For me the feeling is definitively not the same one. The condom drains my mouth and after my lips are on fire! It is also a little more difficult to go in-depth since the condom tickles my throat and that makes me cough. I cannot taste and the feelings are attenuated then it is much less pleasant...

    Mariane

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    Question Can You Tell The Difference?

    Quote Originally Posted by regnad
    HME? That's a new one on me. What, pray tell, is the difference between GFE and HME?

    BTW, I'm quite well aware of the difference between GFE and AHME.

    Nick Danger

    Nick:

    Sabrina of Boulder, Colorado is one of those who claimed to offer HME (Honeymoon Experience). Here is the link:

    http://escorts4you.net/genesis/web_p...rina/a104.html

    She has another website which is more colorful and elaborate. I had an email exchange with her sometime ago. Essentially she claimed that being ultra romantic makes her HME. Well may be, may be not. For a lot of people, being ultra or exceptionally romantic is being an excellent GFE. So...may be the professor should test drive her. If indeed she offers excellent HME, then marry her and have HME everyday.

    Incidentally, please enlighten the rest of the merbites what is the difference between GFE and AHME.

    Professor Louis

    The exiled philosopher king of the Pan Hellenistic Empire.
    Ο εξορισμένος βασιλιάς φιλοσόφων της παν αυτοκρατορίας Ελληνικη

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    Thumbs down The Most Eligible Bachelor?

    My Dear Regnad:

    Are you suggesting this business man, professor, and exile philsopher king is the most eligible bachelor? Ladies, please submit your applications!

    Professor Louis

    The exiled philosopher king of the Pan Hellenistic Empire.
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    Thumbs down We Have Good Discussions, Eh?

    Very well, I see we have excellent contributions from fellow merbites here. I think you see some common threads from our thoughtful members. Let me focus on the issue of why it is so difficult to define terms such as GFE, PSE, or HME and add a few new items.

    1) The Subjective or YMMV factor affecting these terms:
    Our merbite colleagues hit the nail squarely on its head. One manís medicine is another manís poison. Or shall I say one manís favorite is gross stuff for another. Johnny must absolutely have DATY to call it GFE or PSE or HME but Tommy can do without DATY and can still have all these Es. This professor thinks what is more important is whether you click with your SP, the chemistry and the satisfaction of the experience. That is one good reason why we should not be obsessed with the definitions of these terms and still have a great time.

    2) Lack of precision in defining these terms. Let us face it, we cannot clearly define GFE, PSE, or HME and have them universally accepted by everyone. After all, defining a term such as GFE is not the same as saying 2+2 = 4. The former does not have the mathematical precision and universal acceptability of the latter. Furthermore, I do not believe these terms have clear boundaries from each other either. For example, Mr. Hobbyist just received an excellent work out from his date and has a very memorable orgasm. Is this a GFE or PSE or that of HME orgasm? If you require DATY to have GFE, is it a requirement for PSE or HME also? How about ? Interesting eh?

    3) Based on this line of thinking, it is very possible to have GFE, PSE, and HME as a combination of experience during an encounter with your SP. It is just like you can have the Good, the True, and the Beautiful at the same time, as given by my dear friend, Plato the great philosopher. For example, lets say your SP makes love to you like she is your new found girl friend, of course you can say you have GFE. If this love making is so passionate and erotic, you and/or your SP exceed the libido and performances of those creatures in the porn movies, of course, you have PSE. Now you people make love like you are just married to each other. Congratulations! You have HME. Again, as I said, all these can happen in the same encounter. Why not?

    4) You may want to ask me how then do I define GFE, PSE, and HME? Look, I am the one who told you not to be obsessed with definitions and still have a good time, remember? Between you and your SP, as long as you understand each other on what you want and that your SP is willing to give, that is what matters. So have a good time! Actually if you insist on being precise, instead of GFE, PSE, and HME, I say what hobbyists have are GFLE (Girlfriend Like Experience), PSLE (Porn Star Like Experience), and HMLE (Honeymoon Like Experience). We all know that the SP is not your actual girlfriend unless you turn her into one. You and your partner are not porn stars. If you guys are, you should not be paying. You should be paid! Your SP in the wedding gown is not exactly your new wife, unless you turn her into one. So here comes the new terminologies in Professor Louisís new course: Philosophy of Love and Sex, to be offered next semester over the Pan Hellenistic Empire.

    Finally, I must apologize to Ms. Chloe for making her blush so often. This professor thinks Ďjuzt_a_girlí is so cute and canít help teasing her. If she were Ďjust_a_boyí, it would mean a stern lecture and a 20 page term paper assignment on Platoís political philosophy to be due next Monday. LOL! Again, Ms. Chloe, please accept the professor`s sincere apology. You are one fine lady.

    Professor Louis,

    The exiled philosopher king of the Pan Hellenistic Empire.
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    Hey guys, i just thought of

    an important additional criteria to the definition of GFE :


    NLN: no lubricant necessary (before coitus) ( i'm serious)

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    Is it a GFE is she emails you and asks you to go to a concert with her??

    Quote Originally Posted by louisisgreat
    Very well, I see we have excellent contributions from fellow merbites here. I think you see some common threads from our thoughtful members. Let me focus on the issue of why it is so difficult to define terms such as GFE, PSE, or HME and add a few new items.
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    newbie (and everyone else), no need to quote a whole post to make us figure out what you are referring to. Please try to restrict the quotes to a few lines and avoid filling up the pages too quickly.

    Thanks.

    M2
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    No way man. The pill makes some women really dry. My ex definitely needed the use of astroglide, but then as it went along she produced copious amounts.

    Quote Originally Posted by femaleluver
    an important additional criteria to the definition of GFE :


    NLN: no lubricant necessary (before coitus) ( i'm serious)

    fml

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    Quote Originally Posted by newbieatthis
    Is it a GFE is she emails you and asks you to go to a concert with her??
    Newbie Pal:

    It all depends who this 'she' is. If she is your daughter, I do not think you want to say it is GFE. If she is one of your friends, then may be or may be not. If she is your GF already, then of course you have GFE. If she is a SP, then you definitely are having a SPE (Service Provider Experience). On the other hand, if goddess Aphrodite emails me and asks me to go to a concert with her, it will be SPE, GFE, PSE, and HME all in one gigantic combo. YES YES YES, I swear by Zeus, she is that GOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!!
    Louisisgreat
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