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    Exclamation How money turns...

    It's a bit disappointing...

    This whole new-ish phenomenon that has been happening with posting your own ads, advertising yourself and create your own niche or clientele... These free ads sites have been popping up for the last 2 years and benefiting the consumers; yeah that's us.

    But I don't think we're benefiting that much anymore. I mean really, u have indies that post GFE services for 160$. First of all, it's a hit or miss, unconfirmed and very little reliability at best. Bait and switch is very common, NOT as advertised is another. How many times were people had, I was had with these?!?! At least I stand my ground (most but not all the time, admittedly) and walk away... Many others are not so fortunate.

    One thing though, with greed in their eyes, prices are slowly going up for these indies that self advertise. But us still guys flock to them like birds in the sky. Except we're turning more into pigeons.

    In comparison, there are highly reputed escort agencies that offer top notch girls with quality services. Today it may be a viable option considering the difference in many cases is just a 20$. Back in the days when all this started, the price difference was much larger.

    With all that said (stuff I had to get off my chest), what is the most cost effective, fulfilling option? Agencies, masseuse with open minded girls, incalls or indies...? Weigh in with your input.

    Jaw

    Ps - I have to say thank G... Err, I mean The devil we have places like merb!

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    Lily from Montreal
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    Hum...Those adds are not free...as you might know (or not) nothing is free in life...
    and just a thought, unless I misunderstood your sentence, but how can indy meetings be bait-and-switch? That happened to me only when I've used agency services...the one and last time I will ...as far as I know the definition of indy is a lady alone?

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    For indies I like those on Ouraffair, because I know they're serious and can be trusted. At 160 if its an icall and you don't have to pay the room it can be a very good deal. Some indies only want to do a few occasional clients so they may decide to charge more because they don't need to attract as many people..

    For agencies its not necessarily more reliable. I've never used outcall agencies, but I had some extremely variable service at my regular incall place.
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    A lot of indies charge more because they want to work less hours and get a different type of customer. If the girl have what it takes to charge more, more power to her.

    I know some indies who make the same money alone as they were doing before but they can now decide when they work and who they see. That is not greed, that is a choice.

    Indies like that could make the same number of hours as they were doing at the agency. They would make a lot more money. Most that go indy do not do that, they do less hours and pick customers.

    Take a girl with agency who does 5 customers at $120/hr in her pocket. This is $600 per night.
    Compare with an indy who see only 1 customer per night for 2 hours at $300/hr. Same amount at the end of the night but the$300/hr girl is not walking like a cowboy at the end of her shift and did not have to adapt to 5 guys who want to bang from minute 1 to minute 59.

    The girls that are indies and charge the same as most agencies have the entire payment going to them compared to working with an agency.
    If she charge $180/hr, she will need to work more than 3 hours to get the same as with the agency. This is still better than 5 hours but not that good.

    She will not have the same type of customers as the one charging $300. Customers who pay $300/hr have more chance to pay for longer encounters because they are likely to have more money since they decided to fork-out the first $300 without hesitation (remember, most indy who charge more see who they want and screen customers tightly). To see one guy for 3 hours is easier than to see 3 guys for 1 hour each. At that point, the indy charging $180/hour is not much ahead of when she was with an agency because she is more tired.

    No matter how much they charge, the one working alone have to get to the customer's place by themselves and have to pay advertising. They can decide to take the bus and advertise on free sites only if they wishes or go with the cab and website. In both cases, the indy at $180/hr is loosing terrain compared to when she was at an agency.

    What will the $180 girl do? She will see more customers not because she is greedy, because that will be that or raising the price. Not all indies have what is needed to raise the price. When she see more customer, she will be more tired and her service will go down.

    It sound like I am encouraging the indy at $180 to raise their price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LilyForYou View Post
    and just a thought, unless I misunderstood your sentence, but how can indy meetings be bait-and-switch? That happened to me only when I've used agency services...the one and last time I will ...as far as I know the definition of indy is a lady alone?
    Indeed... Unfortunately most Indies are not so indy... Take the case of the infamous 1975 de Maisonneuve... Bunch of ads in Indy sections with different phone numbers but one girl answering all girls phones... Many other agency or semi-indys are like this... I asked one of the girl I met at this appart on near crémazie/st-hubert (This place has few girls sharing the appart and one receptionist...), why the receptionist always say she is the girl I'm calling for since I know very well she is not the girl... because she has an accent that I recognize all the time for different girl at the same place... She told me this is to make client to believe it is really an Indy because Independant escort are way more popular on different Ad site lile Jaysxlist for exemple or AnnonceIntime where the Indy section has way more visitors than Agency section...
    That is why many Agency, well known or not, are using the indy section too!!!

    The best indies I met are true indies, and the very best recieves at their own appart.

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    its true that 6/10 of those indys are not indys.
    but the ads are free, the only ones that cost ..would be when your ad is promoted, and the ad is then on top of the page.
    the market is screwed up, there are hundreds of new girls every few months. and the prices are still going up, which is amazing.
    then you have this new trend of bbw girls charging the same as the spinners, hotties, sexy matures, and young'ns..
    that in itsself is the biggest turn off for me. searching through the ads, and finding 250+ lb girls... it turns my stomach, and i shouldnt have to be exposed to that.
    especially when in dryspells, and desperate times..you can pick those up for free at any bar/restaurant/depanneur/dollar store/bus stop/health store...

    it has gotten out of control, 123 for example has become the haven for all that is to be avoided in the trade.
    out of 30 minutes of searching..you will be lucky to find 10 genuine ads.
    they have cluttered the search, and have used all the tricks to blend in with the real genuine hotties...these bait and switch, and chubsters.

    please excuse my attitude towards the + size sp's..i come from an era where this was an extreme 'luxe', and you would pay for a fantasy.
    nowadays your paying for sex, and anything goes..and i understand that they are there because some people are into that, and they provide for them...

    to anwser lily, an indy can be b&s simply by putting fake pictures. which almost all of them do.
    the bottom line is that if any girl is serious, and plans to last..and have repeat customers..she will have a website.
    any website, even a blog..
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    Lily from Montreal
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    I understand now, it's not Bait and Switch: its BS: bullshit ...using fake or shall we say "enhanced" photos...loll
    I was very surprised the first time one guy asked if it was me on the photos...I was like well, since I am alone I do not another body to use? Well technically yes, since I have a twin loll but she is not part of my funlife loll

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricky bonds View Post
    finding 250+ lb girls... it turns my stomach, and i shouldnt have to be exposed to that.
    especially when in dryspells, and desperate times..you can pick those up for free at any bar/restaurant/depanneur/dollar store/bus stop/health store...
    Well....maybe not the health store....

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    Quote Originally Posted by metoo4 View Post
    Take a girl with agency who does 5 customers at $120/hr in her pocket. This is $600 per night.
    I understand you said 5 calls per night as an example and absolutely no offense but as it's not the first time I noticed that... Maybe am wrong but why you guys always always think that ALL girls (read in average) DOES as much as 5 calls (ok guys lol) per night?
    True for a very few SPs !
    And 120$ per hour... heu... nah most of them keep only 100$
    Each time I saw a girl and asked, most of the time it was more like she was lucky to have more than 2 calls this night and the night before she seated in car all nite without any calls...
    Exception obviously for some high in demand girls so for others I might have seen some not so popular SPs I guess..

    I agree 100% with you as I met some HDH indies that indeed charges more to have less calls and really more quality than all those low cost banging guys (as girls said and as you said from minute 1 to 59 - lol)

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat98 View Post
    I understand you said 5 calls per night as an example and absolutely no offense but as it's not the first time I noticed that... Maybe am wrong but why you guys always always think that ALL girls (read in average) DOES as much as 5 calls (ok guys lol) per night?
    True for a very few SPs !

    Each time I saw a girl and asked, most of the time it was more like she was lucky to have more than 2 calls this night and the night before she seated in car all nite without any calls...
    Exception obviously for some high in demand girls so for others I might have seen some not so popular SPs I guess..
    Hmm? One cannot believe everything these girls tell you. A lot of them lie... she may tell you that hoping you feel sorry for her and book more hours. Who really knows the truth? Cannot confirm how many clients they see each night on average for sure.
    There is no knowledge that is not power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CLOUD 500 View Post
    Hmm? One cannot believe everything these girls tell you. A lot of them lie... she may tell you that hoping you feel sorry for her and book more hours. Who really knows the truth? Cannot confirm how many clients they see each night on average for sure.
    Yup for sure... and yup - rule no1 - They ALL LIE !
    (you were the one (teaching me/making me realized) that lol)
    And am really ok with that all this is about fantasy and selling fantasy !
    Plain and simple...

    Hopefully I know some girls (meaning more than only a 1h meeting) with a real comfort zone!
    and it seems not to be that many calls

    But yup ur right... who knows ? Even me... maybe am lying!
    Anyway obviously what I meant is that it's not the first time I read a quote like "average SP have 5 to xx calls per night"
    Heu... nah not likely at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat98 View Post
    Yup for sure... and yup - rule no1 - They ALL LIE !
    (you were the one (teaching me/making me realized) that lol)
    And am really ok with that all this is about fantasy and selling fantasy !
    Plain and simple...
    Exactly and remember that like a Testament and never forget it. And who really cares what is the truth so long as the fantasy they provide is what you like and the service is excellent?

    Quote Originally Posted by pat98 View Post
    Anyway obviously what I meant is that it's not the first time I read a quote like "average SP have 5 to xx calls per night"
    Heu... nah not likely at all
    Me too I am scratching my head with this one? No one really knows on the average amount of clients the SPs see per night? Unless you know the booker and can get unbiased information then the source could be trusted. But I would not trust any one of those girls for one second. Lol!!!
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