Terri Schiavo - What's your opinion?
Mine is, despite being a liberal, I've gotta side with the jesus freaks on this one. Adults make living wills if they wanted their wishes known. He husband lives with another woman, has a child with another woman, and thus would be divorced if Terri could do that. Her husband should lose any input on this becuase he's been cheating on his wife. Plus have feeding tubes removed and dying over a period of a week or two is really damn cruel. you'd at least shoot a horse in the head. Moral: make a living will.
Dying in dignity is a right
I've been following the Shiavo case for a while. It is a very sad story.
Several judges have recognized that Terri Schiavo had clearly expressed she didn't want to be kept alive artificially. She's only alive because Jeb Bush adopted a special law for her case, and that law has been struck down.
I've also visited her parents' website. It is very disturbing to see what they believe to be signs of life... Obviously the woman is close to brain dead, with only very primitive reflex functions. On top of it, the parents have sunk to incredible lows by accusing the husband of being a wife batterer or even a murderer...
This sad story is only still going on because it is supported morally (and probaby financially) some extreme right wingers.
In a rational perspective, keeping Terri Schiavo alive is a waste of ressources AND goes against what she told her own friends. Every public dollar spent on her is a dollar the state won't spend on helping underfed teenage mothers or on aids/heart attacks/cancer research.
Let's keep in mind that the woman has been brain dead for 15 years now... Are we really asking her husband to be a "grieving widower" for 15 years? She would have been dead 10 years ago if her parents had accepted reality.
I agree with you, a living will is the way to go.
I don't think any of that evidence is particularly good, it would be hearsay anyways because she's not techincally a party, so it wouldn't be an admission. Don't forget, her husband has financial interest in this, he's living with another woman, has had a child with that woman. her parents want her alive, her husband is cheating on her, I think one should side with the parents on this. If she really felt this way, and I'm sure the statements are false, she would have made a living will. Costs $75, along with having your will made.
Pulling her feeding tubes is incredibly cruel. If they're going to kill her, they might as well give her lethal injection, but wait, that would be murder. So if she's dead, can they really kill her? For someone who is "brain dead" she sure moves and smiles a lot.
Edit: I also don't trust scientists too much these days. Remember the recent article that came out that "lobsters feel no pain when they're boiled"?? H ave you EVER heard the sounds that a lobster makes when it's boiled? IT's terrible! They surely feel pain, are those screams of joy? It's being boiled alive and is going through hell!
Originally Posted by Consult
Last edited by newbieatthis; 02-25-2005 at 11:18 PM.
Maybe you can give a link to the article you are referring to. As for lobsters being dropped in boiling water, it is the oxygen escaping from beneath their carapace. From empirical observation, I've chopped off the claws and tails off of lobsters and they didn't make a sound.
Originally Posted by newbieatthis
Originally Posted by pinkworm
I've heard them scream in agony. Come on, it's common sense, and people are trying to feel better about themselves. I'm sure they'll come out and say that boiling chickens alive doesn't cause pain either for the chicken. Whatever makes someone sleep better at night. Come on, it's being BOILED alive.
i side with the parents
I think that the husband is probably an SOB. I've heard on Howie Carr that he waited until he could get more life insurance before demanding to pull the plug. The guy has obvious "secondary gains" from seeing her dead.
Apparently, the parents say that their daughter responds to them and expresses hapiness whenever she sees them. On the other hand, apparently she goes into a state of agitation and distress whenever she sees her "husband", although i don't think that he is worthy of that title anymore.
I would like for one of the poster to post the link to her parents' site. I am very interested in reading what they have to say about her signs of "reactivity" for a i am a bit familiar with the matter.
And finally, for the poster talking about her being brain dead, that's IMPOSSIBLE. Brain death is when there is no more activity on the EEG which is clearly not the case here for i have seen her open her eyes and look at her parents or looking about her room.
Parents know best no matter what this as&@/ole of a "husband" claims.
Yeah, I don't get it when they say brain dead here. Basically under that definition, every other form of life on earth would be considered "brain dead". Yes, she's not going to be writing any disserations ever again, but to say her brain isn't working other than keeping her organs working, is an outright lie, made to make people be able to sleep better at night.
Originally Posted by femaleluver
But than again- imagine if this (god forbitten) hapends to you. wuold You like to stay a vegetable depended on others or go down with dignity? Subjectivly, my jugement only if something like this happends to me and (hopefully) I will still have use of my hand - just pass me the gun and let me go....
live the lady alone, disconect the tubes and let her go to bettra place with dignity.
Having worked in hospitals for decades, i've encountered numerous patients such as Terri Schiavo. Let me tell you, the first times that i've come face-to-face with patients in her situation, i must admit that it was pretty damn depressing. No quality of life, no chances of improvement, unproductive, confined for the rest of your life to a bed, and probably brain-dead or near-brain dead. I realized back then that animals are better treated in our society than human beings are. When an animal is in this type of situation, there are humanitarian ways to end their misery. For human beings, this is not tolerated in North American society. However, it is quite common in a country such as Holland.
Have you noticed that the video clips of Terri Schiavo are from several years ago?? Why aren't we shown recent video clips? The reason: her situation has deteriorated considerably since then.
Call it mercy killing or whatever, but i personally wouldn't be able to live with myself if a loved one would wind up in the same situation as hers.
Anyone see "Million Dollar Baby" recently?
Can't hand someone a gun like that, that would be assisted suicide.. But people aren't viewing it from her perspective now, only from what they think in a normal state. If anything, Terri Schiavo is probably the only non miserable human on earth right now. She's oblivious to the world, that would be great. The only person not going through this trauma is her, it sucks for the "living".. But if you're not aware, how bad could it be??
Originally Posted by niceguy
Originally Posted by JustaJohn
I think history will view starving her to death as incredibly cruel... If Michael Shiavo really "cared" for her, beyond the obvious cheating on her, then he would risk jail to overdose her with morphine...
He moved on, so he shouldn't have the life or death say. If she's truly gone, then she's not suffering... If the parents want to deal with her, then let them. As I said previously, the only person not suffering from this is Terri...
Originally Posted by regnad
If that's true, then his current gf must think he's psycho. Imagine going out witha girl who constantly talked about, thought about his ex girlfriend??
Originally Posted by regnad
I think a lot of the litigation funds for the parents has come from right to life groups... Mike Schaivo was paying for his costs out of the trust fund, and these fees cover court costs..
That it's been going on so long I say err on the side of caution and give custody to the parents.... History will view this as incredibly cruel, either that or they will legalize physician assisted suicide, but in her case, it will never be that. since she cannot participate, they'll have to make a mercy killing law... I still don't like the idea of euthanasia though. They'll start killing off people, downs syndrome, euthanizing babies because of birth defects...
Without a living will then she should be kept alive regardless of what someone says the other person wanted. If the husband has already started a family with someone else then he has moved on and should have no more say in the matter.
Just what we need, the government and judges deciding who lives and who dies. A pretty sad day if you ask me.
I agree 100%, unfortunately litigation isn't about truth, only what is likely to be truth.. In thise case, they should have used a higher standard than clear and convincing evidence.... At least it wasn't the preponderance standard... But still, life and death with something less than beyond a reasonable doubt.... That's scary..
Originally Posted by hornyanglo66