Seeing SPs in the USA................experiences?
I am considering hooking up with an SP in the USA. However, they seem to be much more concerned about verifying myself - almost every one I have contacted has wanted some form of verification. There is one I really want to see, but she said that she has newbies sign onto a cam website, which tells her that I am legit, because cops cannot join an adult website.
What is your take on this?
Tried one from a yellow pages agency in CT a few years back. She came to my motel without extra Qs. Easy, nice but expensive.
I'm relatively new to "the hobby," and don't hobby in the USA because it's illegal in 49 states, so I maybe don't have that great an understanding of either how things work in the USA now, or how they used to work, but ....
As I understand it much of the demand for intense client screening among SPs in the US is recent, and it arose from a 2009 wave of attacks on SPs in Massachusetts and Rhode Island that were the work of the so-called "Craigslist killer". One SP was killed and two others were the victims of armed robbery. The man who was arrested and charged in the killing committed suicide before he could be brought to trial. Needless to say SPs in these circumstances cannot go to law enforcement for help. (A very good reason why the whole enterprise should be LEGAL in the USA the way it is in most countries that aren't run by religious fanatics. But I digress.)
As far as the SP who has her clients sign on to a cam site...there are a lot of urban legends about what cops in the US can and cannot do while undercover. One example is the oft-repeated canard that a cop is required to answer in the affirmative when directly asked, "Are you a cop?" Sounds like she's bought into some urban legend someone told her a long time ago.
I'm not sure how comfortable I'd be with screening data getting into the hands of the police, if a provider or an agency got busted. It'd be one thing if they were to get the provider's little black book with a fake name and the number of a prepaid "burner" cell phone you paid cash for, but as I understand it a lot of the agencies ask for things like your real name, your employer, etc., etc. That could be disaster, especially given that a few states (MA and IL, I think, maybe some others) have enacted "End Demand" laws that drastically increase the penalties for solicitation. In MA for instance solicitation now carries a potential 2.5 year jail term! Hardly the "pay the bailiff on your way out" public-order crime it used to be. I don't know if that's going to change enforcement priorities in those states any but I wouldn't want to be the test case.
Veteran of Misadventures
There was a lot of screening going on long before the CL killer. The thing you have to be careful about is screening being used as a front for a con. Screening is legit but I have no idea what this sign on to a cam site is all about. And the stuff about cops not being able to do it is total BS. Cops pose undercover in chatrooms to catch child porners so how is this any different?
There is a very typical screening process in New York City. SP gives you two options: your work info and tel# where she can discreetly call you to verify you are who you say you are, OR two provider references. This is the NYC industry standard screening mechanism. Some clients will not go through it, some will, but it is common with any indy SP. I never heard of a cam site sign in process and my concern would be a scam.
Why don't you let us know where you want to vacation and many posters will have recommendations.
The chances of a U.S. arrest is greatly exaggeratated on this board. Ironically, a refusal to provide screening information greatly increases this small chance. The cops won't ask you for screening information beforehand, they will get that data after they arrest you! But realistically, there are millions of sex transactions each year in the U.S. and almost no arrests of johns who know how the system works.
The girl's safety is one reason she wants screening data, but the primary reason is to make sure that you are not the police. If she is not a cop and you are not a cop, there really is not much risk of arrest, is there?
Most U.S. customers use a verification agency so they do not need to have each girl call them at work for verification Most U.S. providers accept information from these verification agencies. Look at her website and see which ones she accepts. I use roomservice2000 because that is widely accepted in Chicago, but several others are more popular throughout the country. The call at work is not that big a deal, the provider just says she is an insurance salesperson if the receptionists asks.
I have never heard of the cam idea. I tend to avoid providers that make money off these web services. They have less incentive to provide good service when doing the deeds.
The primary website in the U.S. is www.theeroticreview.com, which costs $25 a month. The more reviews a provider has, the better you feel that she is not law enforcement and that her services are consistent with the reviews. Unfortunately, hobbying in the States is expensive. I just have not been happy with providers who charge less than $300 - $500 per hour. I'm sure there are some gems out there for less, but I have not found them.
Most providers work as independents and can be found on the TER website I listed. There are a few good national agencies left- aprevous, Aphrodite Companions and vivacompanions come to mind. Hope this information helps.
The problem with your analysis is that the U.S. laws have never been applied this way. Your name in a book proves nothing. You could have played checkers with her, and even if she says that sex did occur it is simply your word against hers. Also, most providers and agencies put several names and numbers in the book that were not customers (usually including the mayor and the chief of police in the city in question). The arrests of customers in the U.S. seem to be exclusively as a result of soliciting an undercover cop. Have customers received calls following a bust? Sure, but it has been very rare. And nothing has ever happened to anyone who simply said, I have nothing to say without consulting my attorney. The worst thing that has happened to U.S. customers was the posting of a list in Phoenix and that was a function of a unique Arizona law that does not exist elsewhere.
Originally Posted by Dorftrottel
I've been overcharged or disappointed with the SP services in the USA (Las Vegas notwithstanding) so many times that I don't bother any more. Too much hassle for mediocre service, don't waste your money. But if you want a good bang for your buck buy a gun, lots of good deals available at the local corner store.
Veteran of Misadventures
This is correct. The guys who are arrested are the guys on the street offering undercover cops $10 for a blow job. There are almost never arrests of clients who patronize outcall agencies. If those agencies are busted, usually only the operators are charged for income tax evasion. The escorts and clients are usually not charged. For example, to use the Emperor's Club as an example, Spitzer and Ashley Dupree never got charged with anything, even though we all know and it can be proven that they had sex for money. The only individuals who got charged were the operators for promoting prostitution and evading incomes taxes.
Originally Posted by Patron
By the ways, in the 2000-2002 time frame an agency I used in Connecticut was busted. The operator was charged with income tax evasion. I used them twice and they sent ladies to the condo where I lived. I never got a call from anyone, although the bust came probably a year after I last used them and I seriously doubt they kept good records. All that the prosceutors cared about was the operator of the agency making a lot of money and not reporting it as income to the taxing authorities. None of the escorts with the agency got charged.
In the summer of 2001, I saw a young outcall agency escort in Boston who came into my room and the first thing she asked me to do was touch her tits. After I touched her tits she relaxed. She told me Boston cops can't touch a tit. I don't know if this was true or urban legend but I figured her handlers told her to do it so maybe they believed it was an effective screen. It's probably true that an undercover cannot engage in any sex act, although I know they can watch a sex act.
Last edited by EagerBeaver; 09-29-2012 at 08:15 AM.
I've always wondered why not more agencies in Canada aren't busted for these very reasons. I remember a very popular agency in Mtl 10 years ago (allegedly) being busted for this, but very rarely now.
Originally Posted by EagerBeaver
Nothing stops a cop from flatly denying he ever touched the girl's boobs or had sex with her.
Originally Posted by EagerBeaver
Veteran of Misadventures
It doesn't matter, it creates an entrapment defense and it is an embarrassment to the police department, so it isn't happening.
Originally Posted by Doc Holliday
About 5 years ago there was a Connecticut State Trooper who was discovered ripping up speeding tickets in exchange for the violators giving him a blow job. Several young female motorists made complaints. This led to an article in the newspaper and he was swiftly fired. Policemen are expected not to make embarrassments of themselves or put themselves in a position where they have to even defend such a charge.
Last edited by EagerBeaver; 09-29-2012 at 11:13 AM.
if you choose to join the website and they ask for credit card info just pass its most likely a scam for just videos if you want to try different ways you can get a referral site like p411,datecheck,and roomservice2000 also if a girl doesnt ask for screening info its a big red flag just to show that she probrably upcharge or careless or le and you dont want to get busted for soliciting a prostitute and have your picture posted all over the newspaper the next day
[QUOTE=kaydee1968;642853]There is one I really want to see, but she said that she has newbies sign onto a cam website, which tells her that I am legit, because cops cannot join an adult website.
It's true that there are fewer & fewer sps touring the US, which is understandable considering the anti-prostitution laws in the U.S. More & more of these sps now prefer heading off to Toronto. In all my years of hobbying, i've never seen so many french-canadian sps in Toronto.
Originally Posted by Kansas Frank
Do you mind me asking what price range you were paying and whether the girls were reviewed?
Originally Posted by Dewar
I have no difficulty finding providers in the U.S. that are very attractive and do all of the services I desire, with no concerns regarding law-enforcement due to the girl's reviews and my registration with screening services. My frustration is the cost and the need to do a lot of research in deciding who to see. $300 - $500 per hour for the provider, $25 to TER, etc. Not something a person can do every day.
The times I have delved into the lower-cost Backpage girls, I have either had to tip so much to get what I wanted that I end up paying a lot anyway, or I settled for a quick half-hour session in which I shot off faster than I wanted with no chance to do seconds. If someone is accustomed to the quality of the $180 - $250 per hour Montreal providers, he simply has to pay $300 - $500 per hour for the same thing in the U.S., and do a lot of research to determine who to see, and give screening information.
I'm not saying the U.S. scene is perfect, but it is not as bad as what many posters on this board make it out to be, if you have the money to spend.
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