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    American Politics and Government -- the never-ending struggle

    Reid says Boehner just cares about being Speaker, Boehner tells Reid to fuck off. America dodges a mishap with the fiscal cliff, faces catastrophe from the debt ceiling debate. Senate Dems weigh their chances for a blitz to take out the government-crippling super-filibuster.

    Meanwhile, other problems go unaddressed. The House GOP says no to aid for victims of Sandy, everyone forgets the Newtown massacre, the government crawls on without adequate revenues.

    Can American government function when one party -- the Republicans -- has decided that government is the root of all evil? Any nation can fall. So can America. What has to be done to keep it stable and functioning?

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    Easy ! look at how China is growing and why ! It's called leadership ! And you can only have a strong and hard one when too many people play dirty and don't give a sh!t about their own country just so they make more money than their neighbor.

    This 2 sided politic system is done. It has shown it's limitation and no country will be able to compete with it's individualist society in the era of a giant like China which it's people can rise (almost) as one.

    It's simple. The only specter of light down the tunnel comes from the ability to corrupt enough Chinese that they will overturn their own political system into a 'western democracy style'.

    Or a major f*cking war.

    Other than that, it's the slow never ending quarrels which will bring this empire (United States) down just like others went down.

    This is why the rest of the world could see the symbolic election of Obama for wanting to get everyone to work together.
    Didn't happened. Won't happened and unless of a bloody miracle there is no way to get out of this huge mess the Bush era left behind.

    Too much debts, too many health issues, a population aging rapidly, dying of all kinds of diseases from it's own way of life, a brainwashed big part of the next generation hooked on wasting and not caring for it's futur, addicted to getting 'things', getting afraid of loosing 'them', etc.

    It's the normal way down this path that all western democracies are going for, at different pace.

    And of course as always (as in Quebec's and Canada's politics) I don't give a...

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    How much pork that had nothing to do with Sandy was inserted in this bill Red Paul?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Paul View Post
    Can American government function when one party -- the Republicans -- has decided that government is the root of all evil? Any nation can fall. So can America. What has to be done to keep it stable and functioning?
    I think you've hit the major problem on the nose, Paul. The Democrats won the popular vote for the House by over a full percentage point. Only gerrymandering saved the Republican majority.

    We have probably 75 members of congress, all Republicans, who, while claiming the mantle of patriot, hate their government and believe that taxation should be eliminated. As long as these morons have John Boehner on a leash, the country is fucked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hungry101 View Post
    How much pork that had nothing to do with Sandy was inserted in this bill Red Paul?
    Sounds like you want to make a charge but don't have any evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rumpleforeskiin View Post
    We have probably 75 members of congress, all Republicans, who, while claiming the mantle of patriot, hate their government and believe that taxation should be eliminated. As long as these morons have John Boehner on a leash, the country is fucked.
    Hello All,

    You refer to the Tea Party Republicans. True. There are some very decent Republicans who would be willing to work with some Democrats, but whenever those Republicans consider cooperation they are being threatened by the immovable hardcore Tea Party members. Hence the recent humiliation of Boehner by the Tea Party, who really is part of the old core Conservatives. Sure Boehner is pretty hardcore himself. But he was reported to be willing to compromise until the TP shut down the first reported deal.

    I think even some of the old staunch Conservatives are getting sick of the Tea Party. But the problem is the old core has made a devil's pact with the TP to get control of the House and now they're stuck with each other, and the rest of the country is also paying the price of the resulting intransigence. The old core really should have looked at who they were getting in bed with and what supporting them would mean. Instead they got drunk with the prospect of the Tea Party's voting power and are only recently realizing who they woke up with in the political morning. Their short-sightedness has been costly for all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hungry101 View Post
    How much pork that had nothing to do with Sandy was inserted in this bill Red Paul?

    Hungry101 wanted to know about pork in the Sandy relief bill. I took a look at Hot Air, a leading conservative website, and found this unsurprising answer: there is no evidence of pork, but the wingnuts are pretending that there is.

    The site has a few different bloggers. Let's look at what one of them, Allahpundit, had to say on Jan. 2:


    Fun fact: By some estimates, roughly half of the $60 billion aid bill that passed the Senate consists of expenditures unrelated to Sandy relief, i.e. pork.

    Oh my gosh! Now here's the report that his colleague, Ed Morrissey, filed two days later:


    As I wrote three weeks ago, almost 25% of the $60-billion-plus package goes somewhere else than directly to the victims or the infrastructure actually damaged by the hurricane.

    Well, that's only a difference of ... 100% . Makes you think Hot Air readers don't pay much attention.

    And what is pork anyway? Allahpundit is quite confident that the term stands for any money going to any causes apart from a bill's headline item. He never backs that up, of course. The traditional definition is a bit more limited. Here's the Free Dictionary: "Government funds, appointments, or benefits dispensed or legislated by politicians to gain favor with their constituents." And Merriam-Webster's: "government funds, jobs, or favors distributed by politicians to gain political advantage." Even the loosey-goosey Urban Dictionary plays it straighter than Allahpundit: "Personally motivated spending of government funds by politicians."

    You see the theme here? Pork is government goodies that are ladled out simply to help a given politician. No public interest involved. But what alleged items of pork are found in the Sandy bill? It turns out there aren't any that meet any of the definitions above.

    Hot Air links to an AP article as providing evidence of pork. Here's Rep. Paul Ryan, quoted in the article, making the case against the bill:


    [the bill is] packed with funding for unrelated items, such as commercial fisheries in American Samoa and roof repair of museums in Washington, D.C.

    Now the thing is, American Samoa and Washington, D.C., do not have congressmen. They have representatives who can sit in the House and observe. The representatives don't vote, don't chair committees, don't wield any power. So if measures that help D.C. and Samoa wind up in a bill, odds are good that they got there on their own, not with help from a self-interested congressmen. Meaning, by any definition except that of a desperate right-winger, they are not pork.

    You know where else some of the non-Sandy money goes? To fisheries wrecked by storms in Alaska and along the Gulf Coast:


    To court votes, Democrats last week broadened some of their bill’s provisions to cover damage from Hurricane Isaac, which struck the Gulf Coast earlier this year. A provision was added to the $2.9 billion allotted to Army Corps of Engineers projects to reduce future flooding risks; the coverage area for that program will now include areas hit by Isaac in addition to Sandy. Democrats also shifted $400 million into a community development program for regions suffering disasters, beyond areas struck by Sandy.

    What a terrible thing. The bill doesn't just address storm victims in the Northeast. It helps victims of storms in other parts of the country too. Pork!

    And remember, this article was cited by a leading conservative blogger as the evidence for his claims about the bill. Read the AP article and you find just one spending item that looks iffy: "$58 million in subsidies for tree planting on private properties." That's out of $60.4 billion. Note that I don't say the tree-planting money is necessarily a bad idea. I don't know. But out of all the items listed, it's the only one that looks like it might be a bad idea.

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    You are all out of your effing minds.

    Read this article, you Obama drones:

    http://www.usnews.com/opinion/mzucke...-unfunded-debt

    One sentence in the article says it all:

    The Federal Reserve is keeping rates historically low but here's the cost of paying interest on the debt for fiscal 2012: $359,796,008,919.49.


    That's 359 Billion.

    If the interest rate on US debt were to go up 1 or 2 percent, the debt service the US would increase dramatically. You have to buy a year treasury bill to get over 1 percent (7-year is 1.25). Short term treasuries are virtually 0 percent. 30 year is 3.04 percent.

    http://www.treasury.gov/resource-cen...spx?data=yield

    If interest rates were to go to 5 or 6 percent, forget about it. Our dollars would be worthless. Guys like rumps would have to fill up his car with 20 dollar bills to be able to afford a single hour session with a Canadian SP.

    The Democrats the ones who want the spending to continue. The Republicans want to curtail the spending.

    You drones, like always, have it ass backwards. But that's not surprising. Look at who you support.
    So when will Hillary go to Prison?

    Only the Democrats would have a potential CONVICT as their Top Presidential Candidate. Simply Pathetic

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    Quote Originally Posted by daydreamer41 View Post
    The Republicans want to curtail the spending.
    There's a word for what you spill, DD. It's called bullshit. How much of this interest is due to Bush's wars, both fought with generating one nickel of revenue to pay for them? How much of this interest is caused by Bush's tax breaks, almost all of which benefitted those least in need?

    Remember, Clinton ran a balanced budget. Clinton moved toward paying off the national debt. Bush not only exploded the debt, but nearly collapsed the economy, saved only, and barely, but the Obama stimuli.

    You really should climb down off of bullshit mountain and get some fresh air.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rumpleforeskiin View Post
    There's a word for what you spill, DD. It's called bullshit. How much of this interest is due to Bush's wars, both fought with generating one nickel of revenue to pay for them? How much of this interest is caused by Bush's tax breaks, almost all of which benefitted those least in need?
    From the mouth of the king bullshitter. The Iraq and Afghanistan wars cost about 1 Trillion US dollars during Bush's 2 terms.

    Obama has racked up $6 Trillion in debt in just 4 years. He's on target to more than double that figure, unless the Republicans stop him.

    Hey Rumps, how about saying the truth instead of your Obama drone Liberal talking points, which are the King of Bullshit.

    By the way Rumps, Obama's vacation will cost more than $4 million to the US taxpayers. 4 million fucking US dollars Rumps. That's like what some of the top 0.1 percenters make. Obama is calling $250,000 RICH, and the MOFO is taking a 4 million dollar vacation of the dime of the US taxpayer. Talk about Bullshit.
    So when will Hillary go to Prison?

    Only the Democrats would have a potential CONVICT as their Top Presidential Candidate. Simply Pathetic

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    Quote Originally Posted by daydreamer41 View Post
    Obama has racked up $6 Trillion in debt in just 4 years.
    Right, the continued costs of Bush's wars, debt service on same, the cost of Bush's tax cuts, debt service on expenditures uncovered by revenue thanks to Bush's tax cuts. And let's not forget the millions of jobs lost in the last year of Bush's term and the first year of Obama's, all thanks to Bush's Wall St collapse.

    Sure would be nice if you'd get your head out of the sand sometime and face reality, rather than spout bullshit from the nutblogs.
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    BTW, care to document your bullshit claim about Obama's vacation? Didn't think so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rumpleforeskiin View Post
    BTW, care to document your bullshit claim about Obama's vacation? Didn't think so.
    Here you go rumps. It's been all over the news. Care to retract your bullshit claim statement? Didn't think so.

    http://www.hawaiireporter.com/reside...iday-plans/123

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1158825.html

    Gee, the Huffington Post. Isn't that a Liberal website?
    So when will Hillary go to Prison?

    Only the Democrats would have a potential CONVICT as their Top Presidential Candidate. Simply Pathetic

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    Quote Originally Posted by rumpleforeskiin View Post
    Right, the continued costs of Bush's wars, debt service on same, the cost of Bush's tax cuts, debt service on expenditures uncovered by revenue thanks to Bush's tax cuts. And let's not forget the millions of jobs lost in the last year of Bush's term and the first year of Obama's, all thanks to Bush's Wall St collapse.

    Sure would be nice if you'd get your head out of the sand sometime and face reality, rather than spout bullshit from the nutblogs.
    More BS, from the king BS'er.

    Well, rumps, the truth (something rumps you never listen to) is Bush signed the bill that bailed out those companies. The $ went on Bush's watch not Obama's. 765 Billion. Obama added that figure into each of his spending for each year. The Democrat Congress never passed a budget during Obama's first 2 years. They just spent thru Bills that Obama signed. The Democrat Senate never voted on a budget during Obama's 4 years. Talk about financial accountability NOT.

    If you are so pissed about the Bush tax cuts, why don't you send a check in for the money you saved with them? Huh, rumps? You can do that. There is a place on the 1040 where you can give more. Why don't you and Warren give back what you saved?

    Come on rumps. Make a pledge here on merb, and send those $ in if you fill so guilty about those tax cuts and truly make that statement that Bush was wrong. Put your money where your mouth is, rumps.
    So when will Hillary go to Prison?

    Only the Democrats would have a potential CONVICT as their Top Presidential Candidate. Simply Pathetic

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    I'll be happy to...as soon as I see Mitt Romney's check.
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