SP Rates, and Your Expectations
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When an sp charges more or less than the "normal/ average" rate, what should the customers expectations be?
I'm interested to hear what everyone has to say on this. The old saying goes... "You get what you pay for". Does it apply equally in the business? In reference to the ultimate goal... CIM, COB, C...
If you pay less or more... should you expect less of a service, or more of a service?
If a girl performs average, yet charges more per hour, why not book a cheaper average girl for longer time.
Anyone ever get riped off severely... from overcharging, or have an experience that you repeat at a much higher rate...
I think is more a question of threshold, lower and upper ,where there is no difference in quality, just a question of marketing and of status, the same way someone would not buy a product at Walmart but offer him the same thing but add a label and he will pay 10 times more and think it is worth more... Sorry guys but no lady is worth 500 an hour service wise, if you can offer it why not...but, yes you get rip off...
I paid 350$ with Kelly Summer a bunch of time... At first it was a fantasy to do it with a pornstar, being a big consumer of it, i wanted to be able to say "i did it with a pornstar" as Kelly is not just your average quebec starlet, she appeared in many american productions and such. To me, she was one of the top quebec pornstar and i saw her on video before, so booking her was the second ultimate fantasy(the first one would be having Madison Ivy :P)
I was blown away by her... She was as good as one would expect or a highter price and i wanted to repeat. Now after 4 shot, the magic may be a bit lower than the first times, but i would sure rebook her eventually if she come back. She is just that good.
Now for the rest... i guess it depends from Agencies... Some girls are considered VIP for no real reason, they seem to be just choosen by the agency to either keep them around so they won't go elsewhere, or sometimes its only a bit of "ancienneté" in the agency. When its merely a 20$ difference... i don't give a damn honestly...
As for services... i love when a girl is CIM included at her 200-220 rate, but sometimes you have to put the extra 40$, and well... for me its worth it when the girl is REALLY the one i want. For exemple right now the girl lookwise that turn me on the most, and its been since a LONG TIME, is Kerry at Xxxtase. But i know for a fact she dosn't do CIM or COF, so i never booked her. This summer, i saw 2 girls per day 3 times, i was thinking of booking her as the second lady of the evening.... where CIM dosen't matter as much lets say.. lol , but she dosen't work much and it never happened to be possible. But Booking her as the first girl is not something i am willing to do, just because she dosn't do the little extra i need.
When it comes to service, i saw girls at 160, even as low as 140 the hour and they wear super sweet, i saw girls at 220 and they where average at best, but once i had a 220$ girl when the rate was still 180 as the base price and she was AAA look wise, and also AAA service wise, to me it was all worth it. But even if the service would had been ordinary, look would had do it for a mere 40$ cim included for such a bomb. Im talking about the former Angelina at Angel Escorts(not the current one), wich is now Angie at Mirage... i wouldn't mind paying her toronto rate of 300$ to see her again... Toronto is just too far for me tough.
But lets just say i have no problem of paying the extra $ for CIM or COF if the girl is really hot. Then for the rest... i won't usually book a girl highter than 220 for base price unless i saw her before or she is a pornstar....
Oh and me... i ALWAYS only take an hour... i mean during that hour you have plenty of time to cum once, and when the girl is really hot, twice... so its all good for me. Im not saying i wouldn't apreciate a dinner date, but i rather see 2 different girls in the same evening than a 2 hour session with one... unless first girl is AAA to me... wich for exemple the Angelina i was talking about, would i had her planned for a 2 girls evening and she was number 1... i would had cancel number 2 and put 2 hours on her for sure.
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Interesting views.... somewhat different, but ultimately the same... it's a matter of subjectivity!
I'd like to hear from more sp's on this... how does one value the services they offer? Just go with the norm? Or rate it on looks? or rate it on the fact that every guy you sucked off in high school told you that was there best? hhmmmm !
If it's the norm you choose, then you'll include a specific number of acronyms with that (usually a BJ of some sorts, MISH, DOGGY). THey all help get the guy off, which in most cases would be the ultimate goal (I would think), but for some its just part of the goal... good conversation, sharing stories, drinking wine... and getting off!
Does an sp rate herself lower than average when she excludes some of the basics? I guess it depends on your definition of the basics.
It's also hard to judge as a lot of the agencies post that girls do certain acronyms... but reality they don't. Almost too late to refuse when your dick is in her mouth! "Oh you don't do doggy... well you'd better clean up and leave.....lol!".
Lets face it... most of us pay before the service starts.... so to some degree its "Take a chance and see if what I paid was actually worth it..."
Love the MERB society! LOL!
I think I`m in agreement with Giselle... I hate to generalize as there are many of us and many SPs... but bear with me for a sec... and lets remove factors such as an SP cost (indy/agency as we all understand volume drives cost down such as an agency, so they could charge less - that also applies to FKS as there are common expenses that they could pool togather) - I want to hit Toxic`s bottom line question...
There is a baseline rate/cost (which is actually a range - but lets put a number to make it easier - $200/h).
Some of us will pay more for specialities/unusual menu options - and these varies. More acronyms or a certain experience/social aptitute (which are the two we are calling out) adds to the speciality. Some think the ability to ``sprechen Deutsch`` or have visited ``Bagan`` is interesting and sexy. Some think SPs hanging from a chandelier by her toes while TCNQNS and you are clean-plate DATY is sexy... different folks will pay different premium for different stuff. Lets call this: baseline +300~+500 (and your typical YMMV depending on the chandelier).
- Hallowing Mike is willing to pay base+150 for a known porn star (who happens to be a great girl... I`m just saying, that is the speciality). $150 for that expericen (particularly in the way he describes it) is really not expensive (IMHO). No porn star? - he looks and pays base.
- I`m willing to pay base+150 for interesting dinner companionship (this I find hard to quantify - Its not knowlege - let`s call it, the non-kiny personality). Nothing interesting to chat about off the bed? Between things? Really? Then, I look and pay base.
Never question the base. Base is the standard of living girls feel they need. The question you have to ask yourself is... is +150 or +300 worth it to you - what are you getting in terms of the extras on top of the base. Mike might find some of my dates overpaied as there might not be enough acronyms. (while I`m sure Mss Summer is a wonderful girl and so I`m not refering to her) I might find some of Mike`s choices overpaied as well .
Don`t get me wrong - I don`t dine often and might be PSEing in between... but that is the point. Neither would Mike. We both baseline and then add to what we feel like at that moment.
The only moment we regret things... the moment we feel it was a rip-off/``not worth it``... is when we get the wrong person for the wrong job. Don`t get VIP dinner date for an hour (in fact, most of them try to force you to do two minimum). Trust me... It`s almost never 2x the pleasure of a baseline. The gentelman looking for VIP exclusivity for an hour has no idea how many other ``hours`` are booked. This is meant to be a romantic experience and that takes time (at least more than hanging from the chandelier - which I would assume cant be done for very long). There are many girls (one in particular that I meet recently) that could do the dinner date better than many 400/h 500/h I know... at $180. Which BTW - speaks to what you are worth... I don`t think a girl should think she is better because she is worth $$ or worth $$ because she is better. Its what you bring to the table. (just like any other commoditization market). And that is the surprise of the hobby brings.
So just baseline and add on top what you like to get out of it. I try not to question the baseline. But I do have expectations on the experience you get from the speciality... (no two VIPs or two GFEs or two PSEs are the same... try not to compare across them).
Hope that helps... (and if any one disagress... then I say... YMMV....)
Janus, its more or less than for me, the ``fucking`` is what is important, its what i pay for... I mean, these girls are there to do a job, if they make it looks like they are having fun and all thats a bonus and apreciated, but not a requirement to me, as long as she don`t make it obvious she is unconfortable and don`t want to be there, in that case i rather turn her around unless she is just too hot lol. I am not what a sexy girl would find attractive, my dick aint the biggest either, and the reason why i pay to see escorts is because its a way to get laid... wich is something i am not able to do in ``real life``. My last girlfriend was when i was 16... more than 10 years ago, and we where both(and remained at the time) virgins.
Like i said not that i would not like to do a dinner date or whatever, but my money won`t permit me to waste precious $ just to show off in a restaurant with a pretty girl... Its all powder to the eyes in the end anyway, its not because she make it look like she is having fun and like to be there its the case... being a good actress is crucial to this job(not saying there aint girl that do apreciate it, but more are there for the $ only)
I tried to show the most respect i can when the girl arrive, i am clean, friendly, never impolite, very soft in bed unless the girl clearly show she prefer it agressive(i had one for exemple asking me to pull her hair in doggy...lol, another asked to be spank...) but in the end, i am here to get laid, i pay for sex, and thats it. To me the ``GFE`` is pretty much just an acronyme for and kissing, she aint there to be my girlfriend... she is there to have sex with me, in the positions i want without me having to return any favor(for exemple i love getting sucked, but i never did and will never do DATY to an escort, even a real girlfriend it would take a while for me to even be willing to try it, and it would need to be totally shaved...lol)
Even the dialogue part you mention Janus... honestly, everytime i start chatting too much i don`t see time pass and eventually sometimes i loose a potential second SOG... I am a chatterbox so if the girl is too, sometimes time pass way too fast, i try to limit myself now that i am a bit more ``experienced`` I am not saying i want a girl entering and saying ``hi, im xxx, nice to meet you, bed is there? ok good, lets do this`` but at the same time if it pass the 7 min mark of chat at the start its too long for me unless its a repeat girl like Kelly that i saw many times. An ideal start to me would be that the girl arrive, present herself, ask 2-3 questions, not more, than immediately start to undress and go down on me... without me having to look too much ``hurry`` lol
But in the end, thats it, i mostly pay for a sexual fantasy, so cim, cof is what i am willing to put more on, and i can put more on a girl if she look stunning and do these things, or the pornstar side, but even there, not all pornstar would had do it to me... when i think pornstar i think big fake tits, had to include this...I don`t want companionship or a girlfriend for one hour... i want a one hour stand if i can say so... friendly yes, but there for sex... and its clear.
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Well said Giselle and Janus! Point of the thread is to open and examine the reasoning and methodolgy for establishing what your services are worth in this business... wether it be how good you are in bed, if you can off the chandelier (hahaha), provide good company, talk about your wine experiences while visiting a cousin in Chianti, or discussing why the Habs are a wonderful hockey team (I don`t watch hockey, or cheer for a team, so take it easy all you Non-Hab Fans! ...lol)... how does one rate that. And how much of that is included in the baseline ($200)? Giselle has set the baseline of FKS to a higher level... and thats very healthy in this business. I think she answered the question well.
As for the customers preference, most times that not something the SP can control. She can only control wether or not she can offer his preferences... some sp`s (and people in general) cannot carry a good conversation if thier life depended on it. Some are awkward robots... some cannot suck jam off the finger....I`d like to hear more from the sp`s, or persons like Giselle... who have some experience in sp role, and management of the sp business.
It`s hard to ask them when your with them... it sounds insulting and offensive. I`m sure it does here also, to a degree, but my intentions are solely based on curiosity! So if you take any offence that`s your problem. I`ll take you off my xmas card list! LOL!
Halloween Mike... LOL Can you put that in Lamen`s Terms for me...LOL... If I read correctly, you primarily pay the girls for sex? Hahaha, the most honest reply I ever read... ! Awesome!
Originally Posted by Janus
There's been a lot of discussion on this before, notably in a contentious thread two or three years ago. Should the rates for an escort indicate what to expect regarding the quality of the escort, performance and satisfaction? Of course, that's a no-brainer. Are the chances good that you will get what you pay for, meaning the quality level of the encounter overall matches the rate level? Frequently not, though on the average it's usually true.
If you don't do your review homework, and/or seek out trusted members for advice who have dealt with the agency or escort, your chance of dissatisfaction will be 50/50 and maybe worse...unless all you want is to "get off". Research is the most important part of insuring that rates will match quality expectations because only you knows what really pleases you and makes you feel satisfied. When you are seeking out this information the raw details of options are important, but not as much as the feeling of the spirit of the information. Options lists and ratings numbers don't tell you nearly enough as finding out what the spirit of the experience was really like and learning how that will match up to your preferences and expectations.
The biggest point of arguments has been between the reality of what is different between mid-level and high level rates, and whether or not the higher costs are really consistent with higher reasonable quality expectations. Again, variations at both levels can be wide even if the expectations are rational and fair. It's just that one is wasting more money for disappointment at the higher rate level. Overall, without doing the work to have a much better insurance of what kind of quality you will get at any level you could easily be wasting your time and money.
As for the definition of "quality", sometimes the usual snobs try to pooh pooh (dismiss) any discussion about the quality one receives based on rates with the usual pompous claim that...oh, you just don't bring the culturally and intellectually sensitive palette refinement required to appreciate the finer qualities. It's a cheap, phoney, ego-serving tactic. Well, the same person would claim that if he brought a 24 carat gold spoon with inlaid pearls that a bowl of chicken soup will taste like caviar. Oy vey! For the purpose of the thread, let's just say quality equals satisfaction. True "high quality" is something different and while that obviously usually requires greater appreciation, time, and usually rate investment, high quality can be present at any rate.
Is there really a perceptible quality difference between mid and high level escorts. Probably not unless you enter into the more exclusive "call-girl" level of time and financial investment well over $500/hour. In what we call mid and high level escorting few great ladies start at the top. Great gems can be found at either level. I've met quite a number of ladies at the mid level who went on years later to charge double or more for their services. The higher rates didn't change their quality, their experience in the business did that, and that's IF their quality improved. I met one who was touted by many as truly magnificent in every aspect of her encounters, only to experience what was a costly dud. Was it complacency? Was it getting burned out (her)? Was it just a mismatch of personalities...a misunderstanding of reviews...a habit of reviewer exaggerations? It could have been been any of those...but it was a costly failure.
Originally Posted by Janus
I have found that meeting gems on the way up has been a more satisfying experience than meeting the same gems once they've been well established and then charge higher rates. Maybe that's because there's more likely to be more joi de vive in newer experiences for both of us.
Yes, and to note, Giselle made a higher rate than 90% of beginners because she brought innate high quality, as well as real beauty, from the start.
Originally Posted by FKS
Although one particular lady (an exception) in the past was a failure at manners, being quite conniving and dishonest, FKS was always one of the best agencies for successfully providing the quality you describe, and fulfilling high expectations. But it is difficult to appreciate these qualities in a short meeting, certainly not one hour. I invested in 3-hour meetings a few times and those were satisfying. But with a lady who brings all the qualities you describe there is a possible trap of attachment, at least for those who can appreciate something better than...cum and done. One must not forget that when you seek out someone who has all of the best qualities you risk having your feelings engaged to the point where you cannot withdraw them except very painfully no matter if one is consciously trying to prevent it. This never happened to me with an FKS lady, but it has happened with the FKS-model type as described. Finding ladies like this is wonderful, but as much as anyone knows what they are doing and tries to keep the boundaries, there are no off switches for feelings in this business.
Frankly, thinking about it, I've never felt this way. I have felt appreciative when the ladies have given me more satisfying experiences and typically gave them bigger tips. When I had these meetings it was because the lady was able to demonstrate the same enjoyment as I, so I never felt exploitation either way. But..."exploitation"...it just as often happens that the "girl/woman" was exploiting the clients. Some ladies have specifically elaborated on that and some proved it by their actions.
Originally Posted by FKS
BTW Giselle. "Cheers"...is copyrighted. You owe me sweetie.
Its interesting as the thread has moved (invevetably) to why we hobby as well. Its an important factor as it helps define what is subjective for each of us.
Last thought on my end... It's worth it if you got what you expected. Can't trust the "worth" from others. Mike might not get the same "worth" from what I look for and vice versa as my reasons are very different to his and vice versa. Not even two menu/acronyms items are the same. A kiss here is not the same as kiss there. What Toxic/Mike/Merlot and Janus are looking for is all over the place but end result is almost the same (sex) - so what I learned today is that reviews can give you an indication. But the nature of them is that they are one-sided. So research might help two Mikes - or two Janus. I (now) think they are more about venting, agreeing and disagreeing.
So take the base... add what you think might be worth it... and try it. Hopefuly the worst case scenario is that it wasn't worth it to you.
Just remember that Giselle's girls, Lyli and Mitsou are not "worth" a base+add... they are charging us a base+add. Worth is a subjective thing to ourselfs...
Done with the last thought :-)
Well put Merlot!
Im loving the insight in this thread!
...anything else...Giselle...Mitsou...??? LOL!
If it is only for sex and there is no feelings and conversations I do not want to meet you...why do you think I refuse pretty young thing ? All body contacts but no feelings,no conversations ...I want to enjoy the meeting as much as you ...
of course the first time is a gamble, I take a chance that you are as interesting as I hope but if you disapoint me ,there will be no encore...I admit I am privileged in that I meet only if i feel like it as it is not my real life work, a agency girl do not have that kind of luxury...
In life you have offer and demand.If the offer is bigger than the demand you pay less .on the opposite site if the demand is bigger than the offer you pay more.When you spend momey on goods you always pay if the demand is up or down,you have the decision to choose the best moment to buy.
This is pretty much why i always go with agencies personally, and this is personal opinion, so don't take it badly, but i always tough agencies where easier to deal with. Bookers usually want to keep there client satisfy, if something happen with one girl or whatever(refusing, don't want to do something advertised, she get sick...etc), they will send you another, and usually you will satisfied and the cost won't be too hight.
Originally Posted by LilyForYou
Some Independant usually try to screen you, select a lot there clients, prefer longer meetings(less work in same money) , charge more that the base 180-200 rates, are usually less reliables as in if she cancel without notice, there aint any booker calling you and no other girl will be sent. Sure its not all independant that are like that, but PERSONALLY every time i choose the next girl i want to meet, i screen agencies as i think its way less trouble for me than going the whole process of booking an independante. Pretty much why going all this trouble if i can have pretty much the same thing elsewhere without too much to do.
As for feeling, well there is lust of course, i think its the point of the whole business. I lust over the picture of a girl i saw, i want her, im willing to pay and here we go. That dosen't mean i can't apreciate who she is as a person, but it service nothing to go too intimate as long as money is involved... If you for exemple Lily you can maintain good business and be picky, and enjoy your meeting ON TOP of having money compensation, thats excellent, but me personally when i see a girl i just try to be the best i can to make her confortable in term of being gentle and clean, but in the end, i don't pay to please her... lol, i pay to get please. So i usually go with the position that involve her working, i want a blowjob yet i don't do daty, as i get nothing out of it personally, if anything it scare me(never done it) . But thats me, im just a regular jock with a normal income and since im not good looking and can't find a girlfriend, i take the shortcuts, and while im at it, why not go for the ones that excite me the most? :P But would i had a girlfriend, i would not cheat on her... i never understood those guys that are normal married men that take escorts. For me escorts are just a way to get laid because its my only option. And while i pay, i figure i want the best possible(to me) girl.
But thats just my personal view on it, and for others its totally different, they research companionship and tenderness, stuff like that.
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For myself I like to keep the rate below $200.00 per hr which is easy to do here. Expectations if she is advertised as GFE would be LFK ( no not mind no DFK ), , DATY, after that just a good time. For my birthday a few years ago I met Stephanie of Montreal for 2 hrs, it was good but I would rather see 5 girls for 1 hr at $160.00 ( at different times ) for the same price. Maybe if I was still in my 20`s I would expect more but at my age I am just happy to meet escorts for the hour.
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