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    Hugo Chavez R.I.P. (1954-2013)

    He was a great leader to his countrymen. A true leader. The poor loved him & he returned their love through his generosity. He was a man of principles & was throughly dedicated to the well-being of his country & countrymen.

    Biography:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Ch%C3%A1vez

    Funeral held today:

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/08/world/...t=hp_inthenews

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    This guy was a great, great man for his people and his country.

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    It's hard not to look at both his successes and weaknesses. Frankly, I think propaganda didn't really portray him accurately. RIP

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    I agree with the both of you.

    If we had a "Hugo Chavez" ruling our respective countries, we'd likely be better off. Chavez has been a godsend to the poor people of his country, using $$ gained from oil exports to help their cause. He was extremely generous and caring towards his people, no one can argue about that.

    Rarely does a head of State's death bother me, but i must admit that Hugo Chavez' recent death from cancer did in fact trouble me. Thank God he is no longer suffering from that awful, deadlly disease.

    I just read that he will be permanently exposed in a glass casket, similar to Vladimir Lenin:

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/08/world/...html?hpt=hp_t1

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    Hugo Chavez: Champion of the poor, RIP

    I agree as well. Hugo Chavez was indeed a champion of the poor. Here is an article which sums up his dedication to the poor of Venezuela and his accomplishments:

    Hugo Chavez fulfilled his vow to Venezuela’s poor.

    Here are some relevant extracts from the article:

    Chavez’s leadership has altered the political balance not only in Venezuela but also in Latin America. He “changed Venezuela in fundamental ways, empowering and energizing millions of poor people who had felt marginalized and excluded.”

    Both the OAS and the United Nations Development Program affirm that Venezuela’s overall poverty rate dropped from 49% in 1998 (when Chavez was first elected president) to 27% in 2011

    Venezuela also met its Millennium Development Goal target for education. Moreover, the UN rated his country among the nations with a high level of human development. And, a Gallup Poll (according to the Washington Post), ranked Venezuela as the “5th most happy country” alongside Finland.

    Definitively, Chavez fulfilled his vow to empower and improve the lives of the poor.

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    The type of socialism that Chavez practised does not work....just ask the Chinese.

    If you take from the rich to give to the poor then eventually no one will want to work and the economy suffers...just as its doing now in his country.

    Yes he was charismatic and a firebrand....but he was also a dictator who didn`t tolerate dissent at home and made friends with some of the most barbaric rulers on this planet (includinig Saddam and Kaddafi).

    A hero to some....but not to those who believe in democracy.

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    >>> Post not deleted because I feel the discussion is important BUT... This was a textbook example of a USELESS quote and the entire post should have been deleted with no warnings. Mod 11. <<<

    Yup.

    Read what everyone is saying. He "gave" to the poor. That is the most dangerous thing you can do. Dangerous to the country, yes, but also incredibly dangerous to the poor because you're teaching them that being poor is an advantage. Being poor gets you stuff. Worse: voting a certain way gets you stuff. Not that we're not seeing that around the world anyway.

    Venezuela is worse off today than when Chavez took office. All the "givemes" that the poor have received under him have cost Venezuela a lot of its future. Venezuela is an oil exporting nation that has gone backwards economically at a time when oil prices have skyrocketed. That is Hugo Chavez's legacy.

    Santa Claus makes a shitty president. Parents who spoil their children for not doing anything are shitty parents, and produce shitty kids. Look for Venezuela to keep falling in world economic rankings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cloudsurf View Post
    He was also a dictator who didn`t tolerate dissent at home and made friends with some of the most barbaric rulers on this planet (includinig Saddam and Kaddafi).
    I disagree & it appears that you've been a victim of the typical American right-wing propaganda machine.

    Chavez was democratically elected by his people. He was no dictator. Yes, he did associate with some questionable characters, but this is no different than Canada associating with Cuba or the US associating with Saudi Arabia, among many others. You say that Chavez associated with Saddam and Ghadaffi. So did the US at one point when it was advantageous to their cause. As a matter-of-fact, Saddam Hussein was an ally of the US throughout the 80's as he battled Iran. Heck, the US are the ones who supplied him with chemical weapons, which he later used on his own people.

    The US were also long-time supporters of the Anwar Saddat & Hosni Mubarak regimes in Egypt, and do i need to add the Shah of Iran, who murdered & brutalized his own citizens through his secret police. They've been long-time supporters of the Hussein dictatorships in Jordan, as well as the ones in Kuwait and other arab countries. Same thing with many regimes in Central & South America. The US seems to have had the knack throughout its 20th century history of supporting the wrong side in those respective country's civil wars (Nicaragua, El Salvador, etc). It even caused some. But that's another story, another topic.

    Chavez' hands are not clean. Neither is Canada's and most importantly the US, who i might add also supported one of history's most brutal dictators in Gen. Augusto Pinnochet of Chile. The list is a long one. Very long, unfortunately.

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    >>> Post not deleted because I feel the discussion is important BUT... This was a textbook example of a USELESS quote and the entire post should have been deleted with no warnings.
    Nuprin, you stop that or your posts will get deleted. Mod 11. <<<


    Was he elected? Yes. Was he democratically elected?

    Not so much.

    "Democratically elected" assumes that there's something approaching a level playing field. Do you deny that Chavez routinely arrested reporters who spoke out against him? That Chavez closed down TV stations and other media outlets that disagreed with his policies? A basic assumption of a democratic election is a free press and free speech. Neither of which was assumable under Chavez.

    Was Chavez a dictator? No. But he was well on his way in that direction.

    As for Mubarak et al, has anyone on this board excused them? Has anyone proclaimed Mubarak and his ilk "heroes" or mourned their death on this board?

    The only person I see excusing the suppression of free speech, the suppression of a free press, and mourning the death of a man well on the path to dictatorship...

    is you.

    Hugo Chavez was a demagogue. Plain and simple, nothing more and nothing less. You believed in what he was selling. Good for you. That just means you're buying into Brand X while decrying Brand Y. You're choosing McDonald's over Burger King, but not paying any attention to the fact that you're just buying into a different flavor of demagoguery. You're better than that. Or you should be, at least.
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    Sounds like you also might be referring to George W. Bush, who was NOT democratically elected & who's administration was also responsible for many civil rights violations similar to the ones you mentionned. But that's another story.

    The Great Hugo Chavez. He made his mark in history. He will be missed my millions. God bless his soul.

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    >>> Post not deleted because I feel the discussion is important BUT... This was a textbook example of a USELESS quote and the entire post should have been deleted with no warnings.
    Nuprin, you stop that or your posts will get deleted. Mod 11. <<<


    "Bbbbut that other guy was a bad guy!!!!"

    Where did I say anything that suggested I support, or have ever supported, GWB?

    At this point, you're just trolling. There's no way you can be this dumb.
    Last edited by Mod 11; 03-09-2013 at 03:36 PM.

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    well said he was a great leader and he had enough balls to to stand for any country did not like his way of taking care of his country and his people.R.I.P.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cloudsurf View Post
    The type of socialism that Chavez practised does not work....just ask the Chinese.
    If you take from the rich to give to the poor then eventually no one will want to work and the economy suffers...
    cloudsurf,
    If you are going to use an analogy to make a point, in this case referring to China, make sure that you are informed about the subject. Otherwise, it weakens your argument and it makes it appear that you know little about neither China nor Chavez. To start with, here is some reading on the Chinese work ethic and the economy of China:


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    I should have clarrified...I was referring to the Chinese economy under Mao.
    They have come a long way since....economically that is.

    BTW thanks for the links but I have to get ready for my date.
    Maybe I`ll do some reading on my next trip to Shanghai.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cloudsurf View Post
    The type of socialism that Chavez practised does not work....just ask the Chinese.

    If you take from the rich to give to the poor then eventually no one will want to work and the economy suffers...just as its doing now in his country.

    Yes he was charismatic and a firebrand....but he was also a dictator who didn`t tolerate dissent at home and made friends with some of the most barbaric rulers on this planet (includinig Saddam and Kaddafi).

    A hero to some....but not to those who believe in democracy.
    yes yes... so if I follow your narrow mind theory, when a rich customer gives a few hundred dollars to a rather poor sp, he is spoiling her...
    Talking about Chavez, you just have to look at the crowds attending his funerals to realize how much he was loved. If Harper dies tomorrow, I am not sure the same will happen! Well, I hope not!

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