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    The Golden Years of Hobbying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Molson
    This the ONLY business which I have NOT seen any real rate increase in 25 years till the internet
    I started to post this as a reply in another thread but realized it would be going off on a tangent from the thread topic. I felt this quote was very impressive. It agrees with my Montreal experience over the last 10 years. There is not much difference between the rates of the a popular English agency Heartbreakers in 1995 compared to its equivalent Celines Fantasies/Satin Dreams in 2005. The same goes for French agencies like Fantasme 1995 vs Fantasme 2005. And it is also the same for many American cities I have visited. In terms of real dollars after inflation, the typical hourly fee has dropped continuously in the last decade. At the same time, the service from the average escort has become more liberal (e.g. the percentage of escorts who dfk and ). And finally (due to more detailed reviews and the spreadsheet), the convenience and ease of finding the right escort for one`s preferences has never been better. We are lucky to be living through the golden years of hobbying that I`m sure will be envied by future hobbyists.

    I wonder if the escorts who have been around a while feel the same way, or has their satisfaction deteriorated over the years instead?

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    true...but.

    Interesting.

    I totally agree with you that the rates of many of the popular LDH agencies, like forty+, fantasme, etc., haven't risen much over the past 10 to 15 years. I remember that back in those days FS used to cost 120 - 130/hr. And the same can also be said for street action. I remember that back then FS with a PSE type, corner Ste-Catherine-St-Laurent, would range between 120-140/hr, which is probably pretty close to what you'd have to pay today. BUT, and there's a big BUT, i think that overall, if you take into account today's industry as a whole, you'll notice that there's been a significant rate hike in certain sectors like the upscale and indy markets thanks probably to the internet. I don't know about you but it seems to me that rates such as 300/hr or 450/2 hrs were pretty much unheard of back in the old days. That type of cash was thought to be paid out only in places like LA, Hollywood or NYC .

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    My Theory

    I have noticed these trends also, and I have a theory about them. The advent of the Internet, Escort Review Boards and Websites have made marketing and advertising much more effective and inexpensive. This had led to an explosive growth of, and a revolution by, the Independents. If they are smart, Independents can do their own marketing and booking and save a lot of money rather than working for a greedy agency owner who takes 40%. The "Indie Revolution" as I like to call it, has kept the agency owners honest and their prices down. There are now more Independents than ever. They have completely taken over the scene in the USA. In Connecticut, outcall agencies no longer exist. What you have is local indies and touring indies. I still prefer Montreal, of course, but Montreal has not been immune to this trend either.
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    It Has Only Gotten Better

    Robin,

    I have to agree with you that hobbying has only gotten better over the years. My experience doesn`t go back as far as yours, but it is spread over several continents. A few years ago I thought that Bangkok was the best place to find girls. Then I thought it was Prague. But as I have spent more time in Montreal, and enjoyed the company of more beautiful Quebecois women, I find it hobbying there to be the best I`ve ever experienced. On a recent trip I enjoyed TCIM with more than one provider, plus unbelievable GFE experiences with young, petite, natural-breasted girls that I continue to fantasize about. Hobbying has gotten better, and since I will most likely only get older (and less capable of hobbying) I find myself indulging in the sport more often than every before.

    ``Moderation is for monks. To enjoy life, take big bites.``

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    Back in the seventies, when I was very young and very foolish..we use to pay 30-40$-Can. dollars
    for a 30 minute quickie. at the local whore house (excuse the term)..nowadays I dont call these beautiful ladies by this demeaning word..they have all my respect..

    Anyway..comparing today with years ago..I rather do this today than 30 yrs ago..I remember what safe sex was back then.. squeeze the cock..if nothing came out you Fs the lady without protection..
    I was very lucky I didnt catch anything..God forbid..

    Nowadays there is no such thing without protection, unless you are a crazy man and dont really care about humanity..

    So Hobbying has got so much better in the last 30 yrs.. that I am indulging in this very interesting hobby today, 30 yrs later after my dangerous hobbying back in the seventies..God I feel old...
    it has made me into a better person and lover.. and somehow helped my well being..

    Go Figure........

    We do live in the City of Beautiful Women..Mtl..

    I wouldnt want to live anywhere else...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeneas
    Robin,

    I have to agree with you that hobbying has only gotten better over the years. My experience doesn`t go back as far as yours, but it is spread over several continents. A few years ago I thought that Bangkok was the best place to find girls. Then I thought it was Prague. But as I have spent more time in Montreal, and enjoyed the company of more beautiful Quebecois women, I find it hobbying there to be the best I`ve ever experienced. On a recent trip I enjoyed TCIM with more than one provider, plus unbelievable GFE experiences with young, petite, natural-breasted girls that I continue to fantasize about. Hobbying has gotten better, and since I will most likely only get older (and less capable of hobbying) I find myself indulging in the sport more often than every before.

    ``Moderation is for monks. To enjoy life, take big bites.``

    Aeneas
    Aeneas, you have only 7 posts and a few reviews, all with I-N. That is a higher end or more expensive agency. I think these guys are talking about the lower cost agencies, which were plentiful 10 years ago. And the quality of girls were very good also. Hobbying was much better then. You have to plan better and have luck nowadays to get the same quality at the same price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee STONE
    Back in the seventies, when I was very young and very foolish..we use to pay 30-40$-Can. dollars
    for a 30 minute quickie. at the local whore house (excuse the term)..nowadays I dont call these beautiful ladies by this demeaning word..they have all my respect..

    Anyway..comparing today with years ago..I rather do this today than 30 yrs ago..I remember what safe sex was back then.. squeeze the cock..if nothing came out you Fs the lady without protection..
    I was very lucky I didnt catch anything..God forbid..

    Nowadays there is no such thing without protection, unless you are a crazy man and dont really care about humanity..

    So Hobbying has got so much better in the last 30 yrs.. that I am indulging in this very interesting hobby today, 30 yrs later after my dangerous hobbying back in the seventies..God I feel old...
    it has made me into a better person and lover.. and somehow helped my well being..

    Go Figure........

    We do live in the City of Beautiful Women..Mtl..

    I wouldnt want to live anywhere else...



    Lee STONE
    AIDS didn't exist 30 years ago and VD was not as prevalent. I don't follow your logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee STONE
    So Hobbying has got so much better in the last 30 yrs.. that I am indulging in this very interesting hobby today, 30 yrs later after my dangerous hobbying back in the seventies..
    Lee STONE
    By "better" i guess you mean "safer" instead? For myself, what i hate about today's hobbying is the constant worry about STDs, particularly hep B and C, aids and herpes, and the obsession over the use of the condom, having to make sure it works properly without ever breaking. Sometimes i wish i had been a little bit older to be able to taste what free and wild sex was like back in the 60's .

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    I also think it's a very good time for hobbying in Quebec, right now. I have been in this hobby for many years and the prices have not changed much but the service has got better and more liberal, and the girls are prettier and with a better attitude towards sex.

    For instance, I remember not so long ago (less than 10 years) it was hard finding a SP who would do anal. And those who did were usually older, fat, ordinary looking and would allow only a few minutes of it with “light and careful pounding”. Nowadays, I don’t even bother asking that on the phone because most SPs will do it. Not only will they do it, but they usually enjoy it as well and the harder, the longer, the better it seems !!

    But why did the prices didn't increase more ? I think it's a simple question of supply and demand. There are more girls willing to do this job than ever before. Sex is banal for them, it has become a common job. I know some SPs who even tell their parents what they do. It is not a shameful activity for a girl any more so a lot of them try it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moliere
    For instance, I remember not so long ago (less than 10 years) it was hard finding a SP who would do anal. And those who did were usually older, fat, ordinary looking and would allow only a few minutes of it with “light and careful pounding”. Nowadays, I don’t even bother asking that on the phone because most SPs will do it. Not only will they do it, but they usually enjoy it as well and the harder, the longer, the better it seems !!

    But why did the prices didn't increase more ? I think it's a simple question of supply and demand. There are more girls willing to do this job than ever before. Sex is banal for them, it has become a common job. I know some SPs who even tell their parents what they do. It is not a shameful activity for a girl any more so a lot of them try it.
    It hasn't been my experience that most girls would do anal. Although i deal mostly with LDH agencies, most times when i call and ask if there's any chance for anal, the operator usually answers no.

    With respect to rates staying the same over the past 10 years, i wonder if Montreal's lagging economy, especially at the end of the '80s and early '90s didn't have something to do with it. Actually, there seems to be 2 types of markets in Montreal that have developed over the years: one composed of ordinary, 9- to- 5 joes for whom providers know that jacking prices will only rebuff them, and then you have the market catering for the rich locals and tourists for whom prices have sharply risen and to whom aggressive internet advertising is mostly intended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagerBeaver
    The "Indie Revolution" as I like to call it, has kept the agency owners honest and their prices down.
    What do you mean by that statement, EB? Wouldn't it also have made (more?) sense for agency onwers, seeing prices going up in the indy and upscale sectors, to chose do jump in the rate-hike bandwagon and do the same, trying to grab a bigger share of the pie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by femaleluver
    What do you mean by that statement, EB? Wouldn't it also have made (more?) sense for agency onwers, seeing prices going up in the indy and upscale sectors, to chose do jump in the rate-hike bandwagon and do the same, trying to grab a bigger share of the pie?
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    Let me take the Connecticut model. At one time in Connecticut, good outcall agencies charged $250/hour. Then the Internet happened. And guess what? These American SPs went out and bought computers. And they discovered that they could set up their own websites with pics, charge the same $250/hour, and not have to share 40% with the agency owner. Instead, they got to keep that 40%, less the marginal costs of creating and maintaining their own websites.

    Suddenly the outcall agencies are now competing against these indies charging the same $250/hour they are charging. And they now have economic pressures in the form of not being able to raise their prices because of the indies, and not being able to lower them because they will lose their girls who will have incentive to go indie if the owners slash prices.

    Then enter the LE factor that Connecticut outcall agencies had to deal with in the form of female state troopers infiltrating their ranks. So guess what happens?

    Outcall agencies in Connecticut go extinct, just like Tyrannasauras Rex!

    Now, none of this is really rocket science or requires a degree in economics to figure out, and in fact I don't have a degree in economics.

    Now take this model to Montreal. Same thing is happening on a somewhat smaller scale. Because of no LE as to outcall agencies, you'll not see them go extinct. But they face the same built in pressures of a tremendous supply of competitively priced indies keeping them honest. And you also have the agencies keeping each other honest.

    As I see it the next big step in Internet marketing is video. We already see a few agencies doing it and it is soon to be the industry norm. But always remember that no matter how good the marketing, the bottom line is always price vs. quality of product, and this is true in EVERY business. And if your product isn't worth what you are charging you will be beaten away by the ferocious competition in the long run.

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    Golden Age for all despite ldl/hdh preference.

    Quote Originally Posted by EagerBeaver
    the bottom line is always price vs. quality of product, and this is true in EVERY business. And if your product isn't worth what you are charging you will be beaten away by the ferocious competition in the long run.
    So the FKS girls are obviously doing something right or we wouldn't be debating their virtues. The fact that they are here and are making a very good living is proof enough that they are worth what they charge. Further, if LDL's are just as good in every aspect as HDH's, as some people keep trying to insist, what is stopping them from raising THEIR rates(becoming HDH)? Low self esteem? No desire to make more money? Not wanting to charge you more because they like you too much? Maybe they like being rushed back and forth between ten clients a night? Or...Maybe they are being honest with themselves.

    Could it be that the ladies themselves are the best judge of what they think clients will pay to see them? Maybe the LDL's know in their heads that they are not HDH quality in either looks or ability, or both, and they realize that what EB says is true so they can not charge HDH prices and hope to make a living for very long. Only the "creme de la creme" can charge those prices because "creme" always rises to the top while everything else sinks to the bottom which isn't to say that whats on the bottom doesn't have value.

    Instead of complaining about HDH prices however, rejoice that you hobby in Montreal because if 500Cad for a gorgeous sex machine bothers you here, imagine your despair if you lived in NYC or Las Vegas where rates for AVERAGE girls can be as high as $4,000 an hour! Now how many of us could afford that? I'll be the first to say not me.

    Robin is absolutely right, this is a golden age for all Montreal hobbyists regardless of how much you pay. Just keep it in perspective, you get what you pay for. If you are fine with LDL theres nothing wrong with that, but please stop trying to convince those of us who tout HDH, as well as exceptional LDL's, that we are somehow getting ripped off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HonestAbe
    Further, if LDL's are just as good in every aspect as HDH's, as some people keep trying to insist, what is stopping them from raising THEIR rates(becoming HDH)? Low self esteem? No desire to make more money? Not wanting to charge you more because they like you too much? Maybe they like being rushed back and forth between ten clients a night? Or...Maybe they are being honest with themselves.
    Perhaps, in certain situations, the idea of determining whether to set a rate in the LDH or the HDH range has less to do with the girls themselves than with the intended target market. For example, with respect to the French LDH working for the agencies listed in Le Journal de MTL, my sense is that they basically cater to the local French-speaking population, as most of these ads are nowhere to be found in the local English newspapers, including the free weeklies like The Mirror. The owners of those agencies probably figure that the most client-friendly rates for their target market would range from 140 to 160/hr. And perhaps they think that raising their rates to the HDH range (200+/hr) would have disastrous effects on their client base in an already ultra-competitive market !

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    Quote Originally Posted by HonestAbe

    Could it be that the ladies themselves are the best judge of what they think clients will pay to see them? Maybe the LDL's know in their heads that they are not HDH quality in either looks or ability, or both, and they realize that what EB says is true so they can not charge HDH prices and hope to make a living for very long. Only the "creme de la creme" can charge those prices because "creme" always rises to the top while everything else sinks to the bottom which isn't to say that whats on the bottom doesn't have value.

    Instead of complaining about HDH prices however, rejoice that you hobby in Montreal because if 500Cad for a gorgeous sex machine bothers you here, imagine your despair if you lived in NYC or Las Vegas where rates for AVERAGE girls can be as high as $4,000 an hour! Now how many of us could afford that? I'll be the first to say not me.
    RATES are set what any Market will handle. So the ladies at least if they are indies do set there own. When the indy doesn't get enough calls or has "the protocol" broken by customers "haggling" they normally do lower their ask rate.

    I am glad that you quoted Las Vegas and NYC because eventhough their are women that claim 4000.00 hour some go alot less. You can get laid in both towns with paying 200-300 for a SOG 1/hr with an attractive woman also. I don't even want to tell you about NYC "trucker/hooker corner truck stops" where its 40-50 for a bj (trust me you want that rubber on you). The legal NV Brothels are really "haggle zones" just sit at the bar and speak with the SP as they come over. If you want to increase your chances of bartering just go during the day.

    I was approached and offered 2,000.00 by a very very beautiful women in a Las Vegas casino at the black jack table. I was tempted but turned down the deal because it looked like a LE or scam artist. Nevada has a law that only Brothels are legal and Las Vegas is not an area where even a brothel is legal. Nevada has a monopoly on legal brothels within the US, they can print out prices on their menu's and hand them to customers but its really the woman that sets the prices.It is hit or miss in the "American Market State to State" with agencies and 'indies' this ones that are really scam artists versus the real thing and furthermore its illegal..

    America where the 10 commandments are being removed but the "laws" on the books are based. (Oral sex with your spouse is illegal in some... Sodomy laws still on the books)
    Its may not be enforced but its on the books.

    So the inflated prices of any USA market really don't compare.

    IF you want to compare prices of getting HDH and LDL compare Canadian Toronto to Montreal (legal market vs legal market).

    If you need to look at another North American country ... quote the 200-300 USD hr "tourist" market in Mexico. ( I think its unfair... to compare these markets)
    ~~~ WTF I just say that for? ah Je plaisantais seulement!

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