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    PRISM ISSUE/Interview With NSA Whistleblower

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    Yes, but does he prefer XXXtase or Good Girls?

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    This is the Lounge, it is ok to discuss anything including politics here. In fact I was going to post about this myself.

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    I was about to post about PRISM myself too on MERB. The title of the thread needs,may be, to be edited, it is way too specific. I am curious to read merbites' take on gvt. agencies mining through their emails, browsing habits, text messages and phone calls. Personally, this comes to no surprise to me.

    Security, privacy on one hand and convenience have been always sitting at the opposite ends of the spectrum. It is foolish to assume that our gvts do not know about our secret habits. Using digital communication means implies exposure. Though, I don't think that the primary mission of prism was to track overly-excited guys, they will just log the events until the day they become useful to them. As it is saidin french: Celui qui détient l'information, détient le pouvoir.

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    Its not a problem, until one of us who is in a important government position, or is involved in defense that posts here become someone that is not liked by the government .

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    I edited the thread title.

    I found the interview with Ed Snowden quite interesting and thought provoking. A lot of government agencies operate under the auspices of "policy" rather than "law", especially those involved with intelligence and national security. I thought that the point about "Turnkey Tyranny" was a good one. Evidently, Snowden is a disappointed Obama supporter. What is scary is that I would view Obama as fairly harmless compared to the typical reactionary Republican nutjob who could conceivably get elected, declare a national crisis and use those same policies to raid the privacy of citizens deemed undesirable for whatever whimsical reason (Snowden mentioned making a wrong phone call getting you on the radar of the NSA).

    9/11 began the new age in which governments no longer have wars with other governments, but rather with unseen enemies who operate outside the purview of any governmental entity. It is a War we have not yet figured out how to fight legally, politically, ethically, morally or in terms of balancing the need of the government to protect its citizens against individual privacy rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagerBeaver View Post
    9/11 began the new age in which governments no longer have wars with other governments, but rather with unseen enemies who operate outside the purview of any governmental entity. It is a War we have not yet figured out how to fight legally, politically, ethically, morally or in terms of balancing the need of the government to protect its citizens against individual privacy rights.
    Unseen ennemies warrant unseen soldiers? Like in using drones? Fear is a magnificient tool to control populations.

    I really don't understand the hype behind prism. There was echelon in the late 90s, now it is prism. Funny to see companies like google denying any implication with prism despite some powerpoint slide showing that it adhered to this program in 2009 (assuming that the powerpoint slide is genuine, though). Now we are using some CPU cycles of some gvt agency computer out there because we are talking about prism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagerBeaver View Post
    I edited the thread title.

    I found the interview with Ed Snowden quite interesting and thought provoking. A lot of government agencies operate under the auspices of "policy" rather than "law", especially those involved with intelligence and national security. I thought that the point about "Turnkey Tyranny" was a good one. Evidently, Snowden is a disappointed Obama supporter. What is scary is that I would view Obama as fairly harmless compared to the typical reactionary Republican nutjob who could conceivably get elected, declare a national crisis and use those same policies to raid the privacy of citizens deemed undesirable for whatever whimsical reason (Snowden mentioned making a wrong phone call getting you on the radar of the NSA).

    9/11 began the new age in which governments no longer have wars with other governments, but rather with unseen enemies who operate outside the purview of any governmental entity. It is a War we have not yet figured out how to fight legally, politically, ethically, morally or in terms of balancing the need of the government to protect its citizens against individual privacy rights.
    Its not only about making a wrong phone call or saying a wrong word. It is about the fact that if you make a telephone call /BBM/e-mail/imessage to another Canadian person, and that telephone call happens to be routed through the USA for part of its journey, the NSA keeps it forever. IE if I call Egaer Beaver in Toronto , and that telephone call or email or imessage or BBM is routed through even a part of the USA on its destination to another Canadian person, then the NSA keeps it. Let me give you a better example. Everytime, I log onto MERB, who's servers are located in Vaughn , (north of Toronto), my IP address relays through the United States (NEW york). Since part of my post or log in information passes through the US, they get to keep log in and access information. EXAMPLE: Here is what it looks like when I log into MERB

    (assume 1-5 is something like xxx.bell.ca or xxx.videotron.com)
    6 ae1-40g.cr1.nyc3.us.nlayer.net (69.31.95.153) <<<US server
    7 xe-2-3-1.cr1.tor1.ca.nlayer.net (69.22.142.60) <<< US server (ignore the tor1.ca) really in the US
    8 ae0-30g.cr1.tor2.ca.nlayer.net (69.31.143.25) <<<US server (ignore the tor2.ca)Really in the US
    9 67.220.146.82 (67.220.146.82) <<<< Toronto
    10 g4-5-ar01-vau1.datacenterscanada.com <<<< MERB server in Toronto



    SO before I can touch the MERB server, I go through the US servers many times over ( because its just cheaper for my ISP). A Toronto Star reporter observed the same thing in a news article saying that sending an email from one side of Toronto to the other side of Toronto, gets routed to the US. Maybe in the future we can force ISP and server companies to use Canadian only routes for Canadian ip destinations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocean View Post
    Its not a problem, until one of us who is in a important government position, or is involved in defense that posts here become someone that is not liked by the government .
    What if the US government decides to use the NSA's information for something other than national security? What if Canada asks and receives the information pertaining to its own citizens? What if Canada, sometime in the future, follows Sweden and makes buying sex illegal?

    One can become disliked by the government simply by opposing one of its policies. Can you trust the present and all future governments to refrain from revealing your personal conversations to embarrass you?

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    IF you are interested in this subject and how deep the rabbit hole goes, you need to know a few things or at least do a little research on it.

    1. Your Android or iphone can be turned on at any time to listen to your conversations.
    2. Your every call is turned into a text file and stored somewhere.
    3. Your email/ BBM/imessage/ MSN "" "" "'

    4. youtube / google MARK KLEIN (at&t worker who first found out that NSA was copying everthing).
    5. youtube / google William Binney (NSA worker who blew the whistle)

    6. The company that makes all the IT equipment to do this is called NARUS based out of ................ Tel-Aviv.

    PS all fo this information can be foudn in American media such as PBS and NPR and New York Times.

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    It's pretty scary shit, but what are we supposed to do about it? Even Snowden in his interview allowed for the possibility that his whistleblowing would not change anything. He also mentioned that the NSA and its sister intelligence agencies, which presumably include Mossad, are too powerful to be opposed in a meaningful way.

    I think the best recommendation one can take away from the PRISM controversy is don't hang around with suspected terrorists, and if you know someone who is involved in radical or extremist religious or political activities, stay the hell away from them. Which is kind of common sense anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagerBeaver View Post
    It's pretty scary shit, but what are we supposed to do about it? Even Snowden in his interview allowed for the possibility that his whistleblowing would not change anything. He also mentioned that the NSA and its sister intelligence agencies, which presumably include Mossad, are too powerful to be opposed in a meaningful way.

    I think the best recommendation one can take away from the PRISM controversy is don't hang around with suspected terrorists, and if you know someone who is involved in radical or extremist religious or political activities, stay the hell away from them. Which is kind of common sense anyway.

    I agree that one should stay away from people who are radicals or who have radical ideology.............. and I suspect that most people do. But that some what lowers the risk that you will be observed on. But in reality it changes nothing, the most innocent will have their stuff kept on a file somewhere..... FOREVER. That is what bothers me the most the forever part. Its not like after 2 years we destroy data, no, they just build more buildings with more server racks, to keep all this stuff.

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    Funny thing about this is... decades ago we were saying this about the USSR...and lately about China.

    So they simply found a reason (the war on terrorism) in western democracies to do what we are accusing China, were accusing Russia and way before this, the Nazis of doing.

    Bah who cares..? we all know we are heading to a major clash since the world won't be able to support that many people and conflicts at the same time for long.

    So they can always spy on everyone, as long as they let me in the mean time bang my favorite SPs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gentle View Post
    Funny thing about this is... decades ago we were saying this about the USSR...and lately about China.

    So they simply found a reason (the war on terrorism) in western democracies to do what we are accusing China, were accusing Russia and way before this, the Nazis of doing.

    Bah who cares..? we all know we are heading to a major clash since the world won't be able to support that many people and conflicts at the same time for long.

    So they can always spy on everyone, as long as they let me in the mean time bang my favorite SPs.
    Ok now that we have established that you have the right to or will be allowed bang x y or z , post about them in the appropriate section, and limit your posts on this thread.

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    Say... do you think they spied on Mitt Romney and his gang ?
    If yes then...

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