hey jean-jaques, definately a ymmv, and connection thing i guess, plus it depends of her mood. somedays i get a lot and other days, she says shes not in the mood for anything and i respect that. what i can tell you is that i have sometimes got her top and bottom of, and even went in her bed for erotic mutual caressing, like going to bed with your wife, but dont get me wrong, there was never any sex or no bj, just naked mutual fun in her bed both naked. thats it. but i learned that with this girl always respect her limits and more you push less you will get. good luck