Are agency dates discreet/private?

jabbee said:

A consequence of thinking in French and writing in English I guess. But also quite off topic, it's not like this is an English literature forum.

The sex worker boss/staffer is also trying to make a living (and you're trying to make their job dramatic for the ladies, who have the choice to accept terms or not). Many people make a living by managing people in regular jobs too.

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I pointed out your spelling mistake since you're bringing up intellectual consistency and all. I was just teasing you...

I don't know if you read my comment above but I said exactly the same thing as you, any employer is technically exploitative at least to a degree because we live in a capitalist world.

The choice of being a sex worker doesn't mean we have to accept working conditions we don't like, and there are realities of the industry most of us aren't aware of when we enter it.

Every SP has a different tolerance level, I never said it was dramatic. But seeing 5 GFE clients in a row would not be something I'd be capable of doing while offering a good service, with the threat of receiving bad reviews on top of it because agency providers are often reviewed, and for less money. Some providers are ok with it and I understand why. Case closed

It’s not even legal for someone to be living off the profits of prostitution so yes, if you do so you are technically a pimp. Some people are comfortable in that situation, obviously, otherwise agencies would be empty. Good for them!

I do have a malaise with an agency owner not doing anything and making money off of women risking their lives by meeting strangers *shrugs*

At least bookers and drivers work and to some extend help keeping the SPs safe. When they do a good job…

An assistant is completely different as they are hired and not imposed. The sp that has an assistant could do without but decided to hire them

You can’t work in an agency without having a booker, you have to give them money and sometimes close to $40-50 even though they weren’t the ones on their knees

Prostitute, companion, escort, call girl, fille de joie, belle de nuit all mean the same thing but like I said: go ahead and use prostitute in your introductory message to see how it goes

LC18 said:

I do have a malaise with an agency owner not doing anything and making money off of women risking their lives by meeting strangers *shrugs*

At least bookers and drivers work and to some extend help keeping the SPs safe. When they do a good job…

An assistant is completely different as they are hired and not imposed. The sp that has an assistant could do without but decided to hire them

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If an SP work for an agency, its that she decided to do so. There is many agencies in Montreal and SPs can decide wich one they want to work with, if they decide to work in one. Its no different than a talent agency in porn. There is several, she can choose wich one she wanna work with, or she can even self-book. It may be harder (especially for a beginner) and yes some production companies can try to take advantage of her lack of knowledge/experience, but its doable.

The agency owner is basically the one that pay the units (rental) incalls, he pay for the website, he manage a lot of things. I think its bold to say he does not "do anything". Its not rare that the owner is also one of the booker as well.

I know we are all entitled to our own opinions on this, but mine (and i been saying it for a while) is that an agency is hired BY the SP to represent her and not the other way around. If she decide she want to leave today, she can. She chose that agency to represent her in this field and therefore she benefit of the exposure (reputation of the agency for instance), along with not having to do anything but show up and do her job. No dealing with time waster on phone, no paying/managing her website, posting her ads on various places, having to find an incall or rate an hotel room.

There is a reason why several superstars remain in agencies during all their work years despite knowing for a fact they would be booked as an indy. They like the convenience of having no string attached... They can simply say "this week ill work Tuesday and Thursday, from x to x, put my on schedule" and thats it. Sometimes the SPs are even announced only one day in advance. Euphoria for instance only post schedule late the day before, so its only a 1 day commitment. Of course if she cancel too often, an agency may want to cut ties, but so would any agency in any field of work if someone did that. Imagine you are a talent agency for public personality or a singer and they cancel gigs all the time, the agency is the one getting the heat for it, so of course they may chose to cut ties.

As for the "neutrality" of the word "pimp", i supose again its a matter of opinion, but to me there should (there is) a difference between a pimp and an agency owner. A pimp is the one forcing someone into this field, cohercing the person to do it in violence or mental abuse.

I hate to belabor this conversation but the word "pimp" is not a neutral term that describes a professional occupation, and it's not an objective description of people who manage agencies. At least in the US, the word is a pejorative; it's demeaning and critical. That's why @CaptRenault compared it to "whore." In the definition posted above, the key word is "controls." Since I think we're in agreement that not all agency owners or bookers are exploitative or controlling, that at least some agency SPs are working by choice and with autonomy over their time and bodies, then it's an inappropriate term to apply indiscriminately to all agencies. And, counter to some of the claims above, using the word is also demeaning to clients who use agencies, many of whom would not want to work with a "pimp" or otherwise contribute to the control or exploitation of women. Of course, if you see all agencies as exploitative and all indies as free agents, then I suppose the demeaning terms for agency workers (including owners, bookers, drivers, and SPs) might be your thing.

Halloween Mike said:

I really don't like this word either. Especially in reference to the agency owners who we do business that have been (for the very most part) really helpful and nice to us. To me its as derogatory as using one of the bad words to describe an escort. But we already had this conversation with Julia in another thread and she seem very stuck on it. At this point can only say agree to disagree.

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Okay what do you call people that make money off of sex workers, entrepreneurs lol.
You actually think the agency owners give a flying fuck about the girls that work for them. Getting your dick sucked shouldn’t cloud someone’s eyes even if it may bring tears of joy to it.
It is about one thing $$$$. Yes they may be better kinder and more respectful than the ones in the past but it is still only about $$$$.