Are agency dates discreet/private?

I'd say we should be careful about using demeaning language or making assumptions about anyone in the business. I've known some SPs who prefer to work for agencies; they don't have to maintain a website or post ads, can keep a low profile, and sometimes have full-time jobs. Obviously some agencies are better than others in terms of respecting their SPs. And unfortunately I've known indies who are in exploitative situations; as LL has repeatedly shown, being an "indy" doesn't necessarily mean autonomy or good working conditions.

Julia Sky said:

But another woman knowing this "information" is fine...?? I don't understand. This is a business transaction why are you so uncomfortable at the thought of a male agency owner knowing youre meeting with one of the agency girls? What makes it okay if she's a female agency owner?

It feels like you think being a client is emasculating and you're intimidated by the idea of another man knowing you do this. It's a little irrational regardless of the thought process in my opinion. I'm not trying to be judgemental I'm just genuinely puzzled and think you should ask yourself the right questions haha

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I have nothing to hide with not being involved or cheating and I’m dealing with great sps

Could be a boyfriend, a girlfriend, a friend, an agency. No one is telling you to stop going to agencies, no one is telling you that you’re a bad person for going…

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It's funny I see everyone in here using terms like "girls" or "SPs" to I guess be as respectful as possible - I wonder what you think about the word above and if it offends you to be referred as such? If not, fair game to call agency employees (the staff I mean not the girls) pimps.

I mean no disrespect, just really curious. As my multiple posts outlined it, I prefer to see indies, and one of the reason I asked about women agency-owners/bookers is that it makes me a bit more comfortable than a guy sending a girl to a client (that + I don't want to communicate with guys on anything regarding that hobby).

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Go ahead, no one is stopping you. Send a message to the Indy you want to see and call her a prostitute. Let’s see if she’s going to accept to see you ❤️

CaptRenault said:

She uses the word in a condescending manner and her clear implication is that she and her fellow indies are somehow a better class of sex worker than the poor little "exploited" girls who have to work for agencies.

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I quite literally said several times on this board that pimp was just a neutral noun and that it could be accompanied with different adjectives.

If anything you are projecting your own bias and your own negative vision of the word pimp onto me. To anyone who has no issue with the word being used in its neutral form, without adjective, my comment doesn't across as condescending - it does to you because YOU think pimp means violent abuser in 100% of the cases. Those are different concepts entirely, both morally and even legally sometimes. The nicest of agency owners is still a pimp by definition.

I have absolutely nothing against colleagues who work in agencies and I've done duos with a few of them, even. I am not better than any other escort and I don't even understand how you draw that conclusion from me using the word pimp. Are you really so thick that after having had that discussion several times you still don't understand that your vision of the word pimp differs from mine? Let it go it's giving senile

It’s not even legal for someone to be living off the profits of prostitution so yes, if you do so you are technically a pimp. Some people are comfortable in that situation, obviously, otherwise agencies would be empty. Good for them!

I do have a malaise with an agency owner not doing anything and making money off of women risking their lives by meeting strangers *shrugs*

At least bookers and drivers work and to some extend help keeping the SPs safe. When they do a good job…

An assistant is completely different as they are hired and not imposed. The sp that has an assistant could do without but decided to hire them

You can’t work in an agency without having a booker, you have to give them money and sometimes close to $40-50 even though they weren’t the ones on their knees

Prostitute, companion, escort, call girl, fille de joie, belle de nuit all mean the same thing but like I said: go ahead and use prostitute in your introductory message to see how it goes

LC18 said:

I do have a malaise with an agency owner not doing anything and making money off of women risking their lives by meeting strangers *shrugs*

At least bookers and drivers work and to some extend help keeping the SPs safe. When they do a good job…

An assistant is completely different as they are hired and not imposed. The sp that has an assistant could do without but decided to hire them

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If an SP work for an agency, its that she decided to do so. There is many agencies in Montreal and SPs can decide wich one they want to work with, if they decide to work in one. Its no different than a talent agency in porn. There is several, she can choose wich one she wanna work with, or she can even self-book. It may be harder (especially for a beginner) and yes some production companies can try to take advantage of her lack of knowledge/experience, but its doable.

The agency owner is basically the one that pay the units (rental) incalls, he pay for the website, he manage a lot of things. I think its bold to say he does not "do anything". Its not rare that the owner is also one of the booker as well.

I know we are all entitled to our own opinions on this, but mine (and i been saying it for a while) is that an agency is hired BY the SP to represent her and not the other way around. If she decide she want to leave today, she can. She chose that agency to represent her in this field and therefore she benefit of the exposure (reputation of the agency for instance), along with not having to do anything but show up and do her job. No dealing with time waster on phone, no paying/managing her website, posting her ads on various places, having to find an incall or rate an hotel room.

There is a reason why several superstars remain in agencies during all their work years despite knowing for a fact they would be booked as an indy. They like the convenience of having no string attached... They can simply say "this week ill work Tuesday and Thursday, from x to x, put my on schedule" and thats it. Sometimes the SPs are even announced only one day in advance. Euphoria for instance only post schedule late the day before, so its only a 1 day commitment. Of course if she cancel too often, an agency may want to cut ties, but so would any agency in any field of work if someone did that. Imagine you are a talent agency for public personality or a singer and they cancel gigs all the time, the agency is the one getting the heat for it, so of course they may chose to cut ties.

As for the "neutrality" of the word "pimp", i supose again its a matter of opinion, but to me there should (there is) a difference between a pimp and an agency owner. A pimp is the one forcing someone into this field, cohercing the person to do it in violence or mental abuse.

I hate to belabor this conversation but the word "pimp" is not a neutral term that describes a professional occupation, and it's not an objective description of people who manage agencies. At least in the US, the word is a pejorative; it's demeaning and critical. That's why @CaptRenault compared it to "whore." In the definition posted above, the key word is "controls." Since I think we're in agreement that not all agency owners or bookers are exploitative or controlling, that at least some agency SPs are working by choice and with autonomy over their time and bodies, then it's an inappropriate term to apply indiscriminately to all agencies. And, counter to some of the claims above, using the word is also demeaning to clients who use agencies, many of whom would not want to work with a "pimp" or otherwise contribute to the control or exploitation of women. Of course, if you see all agencies as exploitative and all indies as free agents, then I suppose the demeaning terms for agency workers (including owners, bookers, drivers, and SPs) might be your thing.

Halloween Mike said:

I really don't like this word either. Especially in reference to the agency owners who we do business that have been (for the very most part) really helpful and nice to us. To me its as derogatory as using one of the bad words to describe an escort. But we already had this conversation with Julia in another thread and she seem very stuck on it. At this point can only say agree to disagree.

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Okay what do you call people that make money off of sex workers, entrepreneurs lol.
You actually think the agency owners give a flying fuck about the girls that work for them. Getting your dick sucked shouldn’t cloud someone’s eyes even if it may bring tears of joy to it.
It is about one thing $$$$. Yes they may be better kinder and more respectful than the ones in the past but it is still only about $$$$.