Abortion VS vasectomy.. (can't believe i am making a thread about it)

[EagerBeaver]

Mod,

With due respect, see my last post. The OP presented the situation of a condom popping and a presumed pregnancy as a result. There are in fact two approaches to prevent this kind of accident (the accident being a child birth), one is a proactive vasectomy before the fact and one is an abortion after the fact. The actual contraceptive, a condom, has been used, and failed, in the OP's example. The question is prevention of accidents and the costs and risks of same.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

In the OP's example the condom has already been used (and failed) as the contraceptive method. In that situation the objective then is to prevent a child birth.

True, but a vasectomy won't help AFTER the condom pops. He's talking about getting one to prevent accidents in the future, not rectifying past accidents. Apples and oranges. My sense from your first post is that you suggested skipping the vasectomy and just get the abortion if the condom pops. That, to my mind, is recommending using abortion as a replacement for contraception. No?

 

[EagerBeaver]

T. That, to my mind, is recommending using abortion as a replacement for contraception. No?

See my last post.

 

[gugu]

I said another method that was cheaper is an abortion. I don't think it is possible for abortion to be a form of contraception.

I agree yo never suggested that abortion is contraception, that's nonsense, but you suggested that abortion is a good alternative to vasectomy, considering it is efficient and cheaper to prevent the birth of an unwantd child. I mean, really, EB. You may not want a vasectomy if you expect to have a child in the future. That's fine. But if you don't, suggesting abortion as an alternative to vasectomy is stupid in my mind. Contrary to what you say, costs are about the same for both, far worst in the case of abortion if you consider physical and psychological effects and risks. I just can't understand why men who fuck with many ladies once they had their children do not want vasectomy. Men may consider assuming their responsibilities in contraception at least once in their life. Resorting to vasectomy in their late forties is certainly the best way to do it. And please do not bring in the condom in the discussion. They are great to prevent std but a bad method of contraception.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Gugu,

Certain men are not candidates for a vasectomy due to other unrelated health issues and I suspect there are others who would not want to have an invasive surgery. An abortion also carries risks to the woman. Abortion represents a desirable alternative for some, based on circumstances, to prevent an unwanted childbirth. It is not 100% that vasectomy is the correct or even desirable course of action in every situation. There are alternatives.

 

[gugu]

Certain men are not candidates for a vasectomy due to other unrelated health issues and I suspect there are others who would not want to have an invasive surgery.

I'm not a specialist, but I see no health issue other then psychological (shyness is probably the most important) that could prevent a men from having a vasectomy, a minor intervention done under local anesthetics. Also, calling this an invasive surgery is a bit of a dramatization IMHO.

 

[Maria Divina]

they may feel like they loose their virility.

In contrario, a man with a vasectomy is making much more bigger ejaculation.


I am not sure (I don't have myself the base equipment required to be call "a man" ...)

but I heard when a man is having a bigger ejaculation, he is having a bigger pleasure

 

[pyjama guy]

Gugu what planet do you live on? Condoms a bad way at contraception? Are you kidding me? Give me anything that is 99% effective in life and I'm VERY VERY happy. I just don't understand your comment. Is the withdrawl method a better form of contraception?. By the way, condoms do NOT protect you from certain STD's, ask your doctor.

 

[gugu]

I always thought it was a rumor...can someone confirm or deny it? :lol: Maria and I can't really compare the difference

Deny. Both from personal experience and medical evidence showing in fact a slight decrease. Psychology and the length between sexual relation or masturbation are the main factor here.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

I'm not a specialist, but I see no health issue other then psychological (shyness is probably the most important) that could prevent a men from having a vasectomy

Damn you, gugu. You beat me to it.

 

[Maria Divina]

Psychology and the length between sexual relation or masturbation are the main factor here.

Sorry to ask maybe a personal question, but what do you want to mean?

That's not true that a man with a vasectomy is more "productive" after the intervention?

 

[gugu]

Gugu what planet do you live on?

Earth. Condoms rate bad compared to many other methods considering both perfect use failure (2%) and, most importantly typical use failure (15%). There are much better contraception methods. Vasectomy is of course more then 99% sure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_birth_control_methods#Effectiveness_of_various_methods

Condoms are by far the best method to protect against std's apart from abstinence and, in some cases, vaccines. Nobody is saying they provide perfect protection. What std don't they offer at least some protection against?

 

[Just_Jay]

Mod,
There are in fact two approaches to prevent this kind of accident (the accident being a child birth), one is a proactive vasectomy before the fact and one is an abortion after the fact. .

There is the morning after pill when accidents do occur. You don't need to wait for a positive pregnancy test to react.

 

[pyjama guy]

Typical use failure 15%? I don't know where you get your stats but this seems rather high. I've used hundreds of condoms in my life, never broke one or had issues. What's your suggestion for guys under 40 or for men who might want to have children later in life. Do not reply with the reverse vasectomy. As for STD's, I just didn't want people to think that they are 100% effective because doctor friends have told me otherwise. The old viral vs bacterial issue I believe.

 

[gugu]

That's not true that a man with a vasectomy is more "productive" after the intervention?

Maria, there is just no logical reason for it. Semen is produced by the seminal vesicles and the prostate not affected in anyway by a vasectomy. In many cases, psychology is though. Some man may feel more confident or more relaxed. That may permit longer intercourse. The amount of semen produced depends mainly on the length of abstinence before the act and the build up of excitation prior to ejaculation.

Added: I have no idea if this is verifiable for others, but by experience prostate massage have provided me with some of the most powerful orgasms I experienced. I don't know if the amount changed but the distance surely did

 

[EagerBeaver]

As far as the question of who might be a poor candidate for a vasectomy, those suffering from retrograde ejaculation and prostatitis and/or complications from colorectal surgery, blood disorders, chronic pain syndromes and those with anxiety and fear of needles may want to discuss these issues further with their doctor. Obviously it is a personal choice and those who have such afflictions may determine after consultation with their doctor that they are not a good candidate or do not want to have the procedure. Not everyone is a perfect candidate for every medical procedure.

I am not aware of a vasectomy increasing the force with which one ejaculates. I think the force of the ejaculation generally depends on the quality of the sexual experience and (as stated by Gugu) the length of abstinence. Some may ejaculate more forcefully when offered a CIM service, for example. If I am without sex for 2 weeks I will ejaculate much more heavily than I do when abstinent for a few days, assuming a quality sexual experience.

 

[gugu]

I don't know where you get your stats but this seems rather high. I've used hundreds of condoms in my life[...] As for STD's, I just didn't want people to think that they are 100% effective because doctor friends have told me otherwise. The old viral vs bacterial issue I believe.

PG, I provided a link that is simple and in line with the medical literature: look at the table. I do not intend to give you 25 other. You just can't consider your personal experience as evidence in any way, no more then an other guy who had 4 failures. That's why we compile statistics. I am in no way suggesting vasectomy to someone who wants children in the future. The use of condoms makes perfect sense however imperfect it is. For older guys, vasectomy is by far the best contribution men can make to contraception, especially in considering that contraception is usually mainly a women responsibility prior in life.

Condoms provide good, but not perfect, protection against both bacterial and viral std. Nobody pretends condoms are 100% effective against std.

 

[Maria Divina]

I heard it few times that a man with a vasectomy will product more when ejaculating. (in quantity)

I never did have a companion in my life with whom I could see the "before" and "after" this intervention.

Maybe it is just an "urban legend", who knows?



Maybe like Gugu said, a man all relaxed because he is not worrying about getting his companion pregnant,
could improve his sexual capacity, just because his peace of mind.

 

[Merlot]

Its a couple of times now girls try to baby rape me lol and the last thing i need is to get some girl pregnant.

In the event this happens (unlikely) wouldn't it be cheaper to pay for an abortion than get a vasectomy? Not to mention pain and suffering of enduring the surgery on very sensitive areas of the body. Just a thought.

That, to my mind, is recommending using abortion as a replacement for contraception. No?

Hmmm,

I found the proposal by EB in the earlier thread both illogical and unsettling.

Illogical because in the scenario by snoodle the "girls" are determined to have a baby. Maybe EB could explain...1. how he can infer the guy is has the right to impose his will on the girl to get an abortion rather than taking his own responsibility...2. why he thinks the girl in the scenario so desperate for a baby would ever consider an abortion of the baby she is so desperate for and wouldn't suffer for doing so if she did as Alyssa Rose mentioned?????

Unsettling because the only pain considered was the guy's very temporary vasectomy pain versus not considering the girls physical pain and also the emotional wrenching of aborting a baby that comes even when women believe wholly in their right to abortion. The solution offered suggests the lives ended were frivolous and valueless, something easily discarded with no consequences...while suggesting the poor guy suffers so much more from one temporary discomfort. Sorry, but where an innocent life is concerned, the manner of the suggestion was hard to take.

Whether you believe in abortion or not I find the idea of easily disposable fetuses so blithely suggested just a bit COLD versus a guy who could very easily solve the whole issue without any emotional/moral complications involved.

Maybe like Gugu said, a man all relaxed because he is not worrying about getting his companion pregnant,
could improve his sexual capacity, just because his peace of mind.

Well, I don't know about the before and after experience, but I'd bet the quality of ejaculation still depends on how HOOOOOTTT you can make it for me...errrrr...theoretically. BTW...have you received the red leather chaps, metal studded stilettos, and 18-inch mahogany riding crop I sent over??? :eyebrows: :thumb:

Whew, :nod:

Merlot

 

[Doc Holliday]

If I am without sex for 2 weeks I will ejaculate much more heavily than I do when abstinent for a few days, assuming a quality sexual experience.

Does this include wacking off a.k.a. jerking off? I don't know of a single adult male who doesn't wack off on a daily basis. I mean, come on!