Anonymous outcalls?

[caseyx]

Apologies in advance for the stupid newb question. I'm used to the incall scene, particularly in Toronto, where there's no reason to give a real name. I'm coming to Montreal soon for the first time since I started hobbying (and thus the post count). After doing my research I've picked out a bunch of SPs that I'm interested in seeing who all happen to work for Outcall agencies. So here's my question: if I'm booking an outcall appointment to my hotel room is there any reason I need to provide my real name when booking? Is an agency/SP/driver going to call the hotel to verify the information I've provided?

To preempt one possible answer, I realize that a reputable agency shouldn't keep personal information of clients. But I'd still rather be pseudonymous if possible.

Thanks for any thoughts on this.

 

[Aeolus]

if I'm booking an outcall appointment to my hotel room is there any reason I need to provide my real name when booking?

When they ask my name, I always tell them my first name, and I don't lie about it. The booker is almost always satisfied with that. Thus far, I've only been asked for my last name in Montreal one time, so I did what I do whenever I'm asked a question no one has a right to know the answer to: I lied.

Your question isn't stupid. The first agency I ever called (which wasn't in Montreal) told me that they required a last name, and without thinking, I stupidly gave them my real one. For some reason, I was nervous when I called, and I just wasn't thinking. Nothing bad became of it, but it could have. I'm easy enough to find in a google search, and a malicious person could have easily made my life hell by blackmailing me.

Whether you are asked for a full name might be contingent on what hotel you stay at. If you stay at a hotel that is known for having tight security, the booker might want to make sure that the girl knows who she is there to see if she is asked by hotel staff.

I realize that a reputable agency shouldn't keep personal information of clients.

Books have been written and people have been convicted (in the U.S.) because agencies have collected and kept information on their clients.

 

[CS Martin]

Bottom line is most of the hotels in Montreal will allow you to register under an alias. You simply tell them you have family in the area you'd rather not alert to your presence. Hell even the hotel staff start to address you by that alias.....LOL...Not a big deal. Be careful not to let them change your hotel rewards account though. I had used this one alias so much that a hotel chain got my rewards mixed up and ended up booking a NYC stay under that alias....LOL

Additional tip: Magic Jack has now moved into Canada with 514 area codes available. The things hook into any computer on a broadband, including wi-fi (for laptops). You can change numbers online for $10. http://www.themagicjack.ca/

Bottom line is it's a lot easier to change identites than you think.

 

[daydreamer41]

When they ask my name, I always tell them my first name, and I don't lie about it. The booker is almost always satisfied with that. Thus far, I've only been asked for my last name in Montreal one time, so I did what I do whenever I'm asked a question no one has a right to know the answer too: I lied.

Your question isn't stupid. The first agency I ever called (which wasn't in Montreal) told me that they required a last name, and without thinking, I stupidly gave them my real one. For some reason, I was nervous when I called, and I just wasn't thinking. Nothing bad became of it, but it could have. I'm easy enough to find in a google search, and a malicious person could have easily made my life hell by blackmailing me.

Whether you are asked for a full name might be contingent on what hotel you stay at. If you stay at a hotel that is known for having tight security, the booker might want to make sure that the girl knows who she is there to see if she is asked by hotel staff.



Books have been written and people have been convicted (in the U.S.) because agencies have collected and kept information on their clients.

I have never heard of anyone in the US ever getting prosecuted because an agency kept their name and number. That would not be admissible evidence. I have heard of clients in one instance only being squeezed and given summons to testify with immunity against the agency, which is very rare.

A few agencies have asked me for my last name or my cell phone. I ask why and they tell me sometimes the hotel will not forward the call past a certain time without a last name. I respond that in my experience that they always do. I have given my cell phone once.

 

[caseyx]

Thanks for the responses. That's about what I was hoping but better to ask and confirm.

 

[CS Martin]

I've often wondered about how the Mann Act could theoretically be employed in cross boarder issues. But, I've rarely seen it even brought up.

 

[Aeolus]

I have never heard of anyone in the US ever getting prosecuted because an agency kept their name and number.

Maybe you haven't heard of it, but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened or can't happen.

That would not be admissible evidence.

Quite the contrary. If an American escort agency is investigated for prostitution, any documentation seized during the execution of a search warrant can be used as evidence against either the agency or the agency's patrons, as long as whatever is seized is within the scope of the search allowed for by the warrant. While the focus of such investigations is normally on the agencies, nothing precludes LE (other than time and money) from investigating people on the client list. If you're a big enough fish, someone will always want to fry you.

 

[Frank Drebin]

It is your choice to remain anonymous. If you choose not to by giving a credit card, you are the fool. Do the girls give you their names?

 

[bumfie]

Take it from Frank Drebin, Police Squad. (The comedy TV show, of course)










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[Aeolus]

Do the girls give you their names?

Not usually, and I never ask. Thus far, only one has volunteered her real full name. Another told me her real last name.

 

[Flash Gordon]

Not usually, and I never ask. Thus far, only one has volunteered her real full name. Another told me her real last name.

How do you know they gave you their real names? I tell them my name is John.

 

[valarie_curves]

Yes there maybe a reason to give your real name.... Depending on what hotel you are staying at. Most hotels after 9pm will not transfer a call to the room if I try and call you without the last name that the room is registered under. Most Indies and agencies call you in your room first to make sure your not pranking and they have the right number. They don't announce who they are to front desk so no worries.

And if you should be staying at the W hotel.. the lady will not be able to access the elevators with out your name. Front desk calls you then has the concierge escort you up to the floor.

These are reasons that you will have to give a name.Most agancies and indies are professional and would never give out your name.

 

[Man from Down Under]

FYI - for comparative purposes, in the US if you want to see an SP it is not usual for you to have to pass a screening test, which includes things like providing: your real first/last name, your place of employment and work phone number (i.e., they will call you at work) and/or references from 2 other known SP's.

 

[daydreamer41]

Maybe you haven't heard of it, but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened or can't happen.



Quite the contrary. If an American escort agency is investigated for prostitution, any documentation seized during the execution of a search warrant can be used as evidence against either the agency or the agency's patrons, as long as whatever is seized is within the scope of the search allowed for by the warrant. While the focus of such investigations is normally on the agencies, nothing precludes LE (other than time and money) from investigating people on the client list. If you're a big enough fish, someone will always want to fry you.

Will you stop with this BS? You being on a client list does not constitute evidence that you procured sex services. They have to catch you actually soliciting sex for money, or admitting that was your intent. I don't care how they got the list, by search warrant or not. A list means nothing. The person who compiled the list can put anybody's name down for any reason. There's no proof of any illegal act if your name is on a list. And if you tell me it does, you prove to me you watch too many TV cop shows.

Talk about BIG Fish, what about Elliot Spitzer. They had credit card payments of his going to these agencies. They had the women going on TV and newspapers talking about him. He was NEVER prosecuted.

Post about things you actually know about.

 

[Aeolus]

Will you stop with this BS?

You shouldn't be so troubled over someone expressing his thoughts. This is a sign that you need to see a SP sooner rather than later. I'm feeling a lot of tension here. You clearly need a release.

Talk about BIG Fish, what about Elliot Spitzer. They had credit card payments of his going to these agencies. They had the women going on TV and newspapers talking about him. He was NEVER prosecuted.

Did they really need to prosecute him? The man was publicly humiliated and lost his job. I think that is far worse than a tolken fine for purchasing sex. And how many books were written about this thanks to the criminal investigation? I rest my case.

They have to catch you actually soliciting sex for money

Well, if LE gets its hands on the client list, catching you becomes a little easier, doesn't it? Normally, to take down an agency, a few clients need to be sacrificed to prove the nature of the business. I wouldn't want to be one of the few to have his name selected off of the list by the random number generator.

Post about things you actually know about.

I do. If only I could show you my credentials...

How do you know they gave you their real names?

Cyber stalking, how else?

 

[daydreamer41]

Well, if LE gets its hands on the client list, catching you becomes a little easier, doesn't it? Normally, to take down an agency, a few clients need to be sacrificed to prove the nature of the business. I wouldn't want to be one of the few to have his name selected off of the list by the random number generator.



I do. If only I could show you my credentials...

I can only assume that you have a B.S. is BS.

A client list will do nothing for LE unless they catch you in the act. It's called a Sting. Random number generator? Where are you from, MARS? You cannot randomly select names off a list and prosecute those people without any supporting evidence. It's called selective prosecution. You don't know how or why someone may have been put on the list. And if LE were to contact you because you were on a list, so what. What can they do unless you confess to paying someone to have sex with them?

The only danger that a supposed client list has to someone is if LE were to release those names to the media, and they will not because they do not know if the names on the list are legitimate. There are States which publish the mug shots of Johns that are arrested. Oklahoma and Delaware are 2 states that I know that publish those who are arrested for prostitution. But no LE agency in the US has ever published lists found at alleged place of prostitution.

You have an over-active imagination when it comes to prosecution of prostitution. Local LE in the US regards prostitution as a nusiciance crime. Periodically, they do stings and they always respond to complaints in neighborhoods. But their investigations are short and they spend very little time after the establishment is uprooted and the owners are arrested and prosecuted.

 

[Mod 11]

Back on topic gentlemen...

 

[Aeolus]

I can only assume that you have a B.S. is BS.

If you really must know, I actually have a MA in FU.

Okay, back to answering the original question:

In addition to what I have already written in response to Caseyx's inquiry, I'll also add that by providing your real name, you open yourself up to being extorted by an unscrupulous SP or pimp. Bottom line: it's stupid to give your real name for a myriad of reasons.

 

[CocaCola]

I was recently in Montreal and called 2 agencies. 1 asked for my first name and room number, the other asked for my room number only. I believe the rules might be laxed in Montreal. Maybe independents are more careful. I believe Toronto agencies will want more details. From what I recall Toronto agencies will call the front desk and asn for your room by name to make sure that its really you. I'm not an expert.