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What does this have to do with sex? Escorts? or strippers?
 

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Has it been the tradition for the local MP to give a new flag to the local legion for the holiday? Is this usually a new flag provided at government expense thru the MP's office? It seems to me that this guy is trying to make a political point by being a jackass. But I am curious about what the usual custom is. I don't know if our local VFW or American Legion get complimentary flags from our government or if they usually buy them themselves. A yearly gift flag from ones federal representative is a nice tradition and a good use of government money. Its terribly rude to veterans in general and quite mean spirited to the very old ones who are still with us who saw real combat in WW2. We have a huge parade here every November 11th and its really a special moment for the most elderly veterans.
 

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o.k. I know the separatists hate Canada, but is it too much to ask to hand out flags to veterans for rememberance day, these guys fought for your freedom (including dumb asses like this Bellavance guy )

The Bloc are a fucking disgrace
Fucking disgrace is right.

Not too mention pathetic if I might add.

I heard on the news just the other day that there's more talk about Quebec seperating from Canada.

But I'm not sure it will ever happen as Quebec & the Bloc needs our (Canada's) money.

Does anyone else think that seperation may actually happen?

If it does I know my father & I will move to Toronto not Ottawa.

Some ppl I've spoken to feel that Ottawa is also being heavily populated with seperatists.
 

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Jaxon said:
Has it been the tradition for the local MP to give a new flag to the local legion for the holiday?
YES, there has been a precedence and tradition of providing Canadian flags to veterans for Remembrance Day. The story I saw on the news mentioned something about the previous m.p.’s from this riding always giving flags to this legion for Remembrance day, this asshole Bellavance is just being a prick about it.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2004/11/05/Vetflags_041105.html

b.t.w. Bob Binette, that’s why this section is called “the Lounge”
 

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Ah, the Separatist issue has finally reared its ugly head on this Board!

As an American, this issue was never on the radar screen of the reality that is my life until some years ago when I was a guest at the Club Med in Turks & Caicos and a fight broke out at the dinner table between a group from Montreal and a group from Toronto in which there was such vitriol that some left the dinner table not to come back.

I think most Americans I have spoken to are troubled by the prospect of separatism because of the perception that it would somehow impact negatively on tourism and make Montreal less tourist friendly especially for Americans.

I have spoken to a French-Canadian SP in Montreal who told me she is for separatism because the Anglo-Canadian politicians have passed laws deliberately watering down and dissipating French Canadian culture.

I have spoken to an Anglo-Canadian SP in Montreal who told me that if separatism ever happened, she would move away from Canada the very next day and go to California.

From all of this I have gathered that at it skeletal core, separatism is really a French v. Anglo thing and a rejection of cosmopolitanism and the evolution of Montreal into a modern, multicultural, multiethnic society. But perhaps I am a mere uninformed American who has missed something. If so I am sure you will let me know.
 

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If quebec does separate, you can be sure at least 1/4 of the population will leave, me included.

And Yes, its a disgrace what they have done towards our veterans... insulting.
 

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Cop Out

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Elvis,

With due respect your post is a total cop out. You are saying that Americans can discuss their own politics calmly and rationally, but Canadians cannot? Do you really believe this?

I want to hear some discussion from the Canadian posters on these issues. You have been amused by our debates, now it is our turn to be entertained and hopefully educated as to what the issues are and what the correct positions are.
 

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just a quick comment:

the canadians who fought in WWII did it under a different flag.....the actual canadian flag was adopted in 1964.....

other thing: the federal government refuse to distribute any Quebec flag, refering to the Ministere des Relations avec les Citoyens du Quebec. What the MP of the Bloc did, was to refer those men to Heritage Canada.

I am surprise to see how it is "normal the stand for the honor of Canada and for its conviction" when you are federalist and how it is "disgrace from separatists to stand for Independance of Quebec and its conviction"

There is a little problem of mind-openess and freedom of speech here....
 

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EB.... It's quite simple.

Some people are so hard pressed with their arguments, that they don't even remember what they are arguing about. They are die hard with their views... but aren't sure why. Hate is a terrible thing. This province is filled with it. Nobody is sure why there is so much hate, but there is. The problem is that most people here are like a horse on a horse-drawn buggy. They have those little covers on their eyes to make them see straight. They cannot see what goes on around them. I'm sure if the majority of the people in this province would spend some time in lovely places such as the former soviet union, the congo, iraq even... they would realize that unity is a good thing, and that, in reality, we have NOTHING to complain about.

This is a forum based around sex. HOWEVER... if we can talk about the red sox (yay), restaurants, hockey, hotels, cabinet making, ac milan vs inter (go reggina), bush (the george w kind), avatars, gmail, and so on... then we can discuss politics too. To avoid the subject is wrong.
 

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If the perception of the world by Canadians is as indicated in the last paragraph, then the perception is not in line with reality. The reality is that all of the Arab countries in the Middle East are failures politically, economically, militarily, socially, culturally, artistically, and educationally and these failures pre-existed ANY U.S. policy in the region such as we know it. These failures have permitted and precipitated the rise of Islamofascism and terrorism, just as Germany's post WW I failures precipitated and permitted the rise of Nazism and modern fascism and totalitarianism.

The poll should have asked the following question: where would you feel safest walking down the street without fear of being kidnapped and having your head cut off for absolutely no reason: any State in the USA, or any Arab State?
 
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The way I see this whole issue of not giving flags to veterans for Remembrance Day is this:

It shouldn’t be an english / french issue , it shouldn't have anything to do with quebec / canada or federalism / sovereignty, it's about way more than that, it's about RESPECT, of which the malcontents from the Bloc have little or none of.

And thanks for the interesting article Capt.

GHG out
 

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Dear Capitaine Renault,

but they were against WWII conscription for the basic same reasons the US were against participation in 1939-1941: at the time, there was a strong isolationist movement in the Province and they felt no need to help the King or the Marechal Petain. With time, with Pearl Harbor, the true truth about the nazi regime started to emerge and people reacted more positively to the needs of european countries.
This is a very good point by Elvis. The USA's pre-WWII foreign policy was isolationist and may have remained so had Pearl Harbor not been attacked. The Germans had been interfering with American shipping to Europe before Pearl Harbor, but not enough to piss off Roosevelt and make him do anything.

It should be noted that Hitler was extremely contemptuous of America's military strength and in Mein Kampf he stated that America was a "mongrel nation". It is interesting to note that US foreign policy has swung from isolationism pre-WWII to a very pro-active approach with aggressive and troublemaking countries like Iraq.

Regarding Captain Renault being an employee of the Gazette, I doubt it unless they have a branch in the American South where he lives..........but perhaps it would behoove the Gazette to read CR's posts and offer him some compensation for the free advertising......................... :D
 
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The issue doesn't have anything to do with the way the block think. It's only a question of ONE guy who can't make a difference between past, present and future. These guys who went to war, (WW1, WW2, Vietnam, Korea, Bosnia, Afghanistan and all others) wether we agreed they should have been sent or not, they did made a difference. At some point, some of our freedom still depends on the action they did and we MUST respect that, no matter if we are separatists, pro-Canada or if we want to join the USA. What they did affected the past, still affect our present and will affect our future. The separatist-federalist political fight have no reason to be mixed with that and one guy made the mistake to mix them up and he now look like a fool. Quebeckers did go to war so the Quebec flag have it's place but he should not have refused to give out Canadian flags.

If Quebec becomes independant one day, Quebeckers will still owe the same respect to these peoples and should still commemorate them on Nov.11 of every year. Even then, Canadian flags should still be distributed in QUebec for that occasion, with Quebec flags, American flags, British, French... All these nation allied against Germany for WW1 and 2 after all!
 

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Independent Quebec

metoo4,

Do you think that Quebec will eventually become an independent nation? If that happens, what will be the governmental structure, parliamentary or republican?

If Quebec becomes independent will there be any noticeable impact on my hobbying activities? Can we expect any new legislation that will impact we Americans who go to Montreal? Or will it still be the same for us?
 

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I'd say chances are Quebec will become independant some day. When? That is the $1 000 000 question and my crystal ball is a bit foggy these days...
I guess it would keep the parlementary system but again, who am I to say?
As far as hobby impact, damn if I know! Peoples from Quebec are known to be more open than the rest of north america when it comes to tolerance (sex and marijuana for example) so I would not be surprised if it would become more legalized.

...are you pulling my leg or seriously asking? :rolleyes:
 

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Metoo4,

I am totally serious on this subject and would not be so frivolous in questioning you on a serious subject. The fact is that this subject is simply never explored in the American press so there is no way for us to know what the native Quebecers feel on the issue.........I recall a few years ago there was a referendum of some kind and correct me if I am wrong, but separatism was narrowly defeated and primarily because of votes cast in Montreal where the voters were more heavily against than elsehwhere in Quebec. Apart from this there has been very little reported on the issue in my country, so we are left to get our news from people like you, who presumably have a better idea of the pulse on this issue. As for me, I believe in democracy and the will of the people of Quebec should prevail, so long as my hobbying activities are not interrupted by any changes in the law that might occur as a result of separatism. As long as I can continue to hobby as I have been for the last few years, what happens one way or the other makes no difference to me, except as I said I would like to see a democratic vote prevail.
 
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