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she is on today
She is listed as on. Over this past weekend this agency was listing ladies as on and then when I called, I found out they really weren't on. I told whomever I spoke to, which was not Tony, that either a girl is on or she isn't, and if she is not on, she should not be listed as on. As a result, I made a call to the agency for no reason, which is exactly what they want. He then tried to sell me on another girl, not even close in type to the one I called about, and I said no. He obviously thought I was some fucking moron. Meanwhile I paid roamer charges for calling an agency that was basically lying in saying who was on. I should send them my bill on that call.

This is a very sneaky, misleading marketing tactic whereby the agency lists as "on" a bunch of ladies who are not working so as to induce you to call, then they try and switch you on to another lady who actually is working when you call. It is not pure bait and switch, but rather a subtle form of it. It's bullshit in my book.
 
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This is a very sneaky, misleading marketing tactic whereby the agency lists as "on" a bunch of ladies who are not working so as to induce you to call, then they try and switch you on to another lady. It is not pure bait and switch, but it is basically a subtle form of it.
So basically what you're saying is that they advertise girls that are supposedly working simply to increase the number of phone calls in order to sell the callers unpopular girls. Interesting.

Thanks for the heads up.

p.s. I've only dealt with Tony in the past & can't complain. He delivered as promised.
 
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So basically what you're saying is that they advertise girls that are supposedly working simply to increase the number of phone calls in order to sell the callers unpopular girls. Interesting.

Thanks for the heads up.
I don't know if the girl they tried to sell me on was popular or unpopular. I called about Chanel who was listed as "on today". I was then told that they would have to text her to see if she was coming in. I was then told she was not coming in. I then got a strong sales pitch on some girl Electra. Look at Electra's pics. Is she even remotely similar in type to Chanel? Obviously the booker thought he was talking to some complete moron. Like a girl who is skinny with A tits is similar to a voluptuous girl with DD tits? I mean if you are going to bait and switch, do the fucking job right!!!! He could not even properly bait and switch me.

It was not Tony. It was some other, young sounding dude. I am just wondering how you guys would have reacted to this BS. I mean I am calling on a cellphone and paying Canadian roamer charges for no fucking reason. WTF????????

That being said I should note I did see Ibiza in December and my experience dealing with Tony was a positive one at the time. And the reviews on Ibiza as far as her body goes are accurate.
 
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Agency tactics is useful information but not review related. I posted a question that is review related above, let's stay on topics please, that will help us out in our quest for the perfect provider...
 

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the dudes at angel have always been straight up and cool with me... I usually prebook a few days in advance... and I have a feeling that's how they work. They ask the girls their schedules for the week, and then list them, and then confirm with them again the day they work... and sometimes girls decide not to work despite giving their availabilities before... it happens...

it happened to me twice with this agency but otherwise for the 10+times I've used them, they've always delivered... and when they had to cancel, they cancelled hours in advance so that my time isn't wasted... So kudos to them
 

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Hi everyone,
You were frustrated bcs, like you said your plan A & B got canceled which was not even with us so its not fair for my team to suffer for it!! Don't you agree?
No I don't agree. I was frustrated because I called your agency, asked for a girl (Chanel) who was listed as on that day, was told (after some delay while I incurred roamer charges from AT&T) that she was not on, and then the booker aggressively tried to convince me to see Electra, who is not even close to being the same type as Chanel. Tony have you looked at the pictures of Chanel and Electra yourself? Exactly what about them is similar? I got frustrated because your booker treated me like a moron. There was also no apology for Chanel being listed as on when she wasn't. I understand shit happens and girls have their periods or whatever but this was a complete waste of my time, wasted expense and worst of all it was topped off with an insult to my intelligence. I will take the lost roamer charges like a man, but I do not like being taken for some moronic prehistoric ape creature, and will not be so quick to call your agency in the future.

Also I have been on plan E more times and longer than you have been in business, so please do not intimate that scrambling on to plan C is some new experience for me that I cannot handle mentally or emotionally. I come to Montreal prepared, but I am on scramble mode almost every trip to Montreal even when I pre-book, which is what I usually try to do. I have been doing it for 10 years in Montreal, since when you were still in escort agency nursery school sucking on the driver's pacifier.

I know the thread is about Ibiza and I commented on her, but your comment warrants response. The Mods can move my comments elsewhere or delete them as they see fit, but it should be noted that the discussion started because someone said "Ibiza is on today" and I offered comment on whether she was really on or not. So it is relevant to the thread in my opinion.
 
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This thread its not about your plans but its about IBIZA, so i don't think your frustration belongs here.
I think expressing his frustration DOES belong here. This board if for people to post about both the good, and the bad. It's no use to throw arrows at someone for being honest, especially if the reviewer is a veteran hobbyist with top-notch credibility.

When you call for a specific girl at any agency and she isn't available for any reason its just normal that the booker suggest someone else and trust me the girl (ELECTRA) that my booker suggested you is one of my top notch. Its your lost!!!
Possibly, but that's not what Eagerbeaver's post was about. He never once said that the girl(s) he was offered were not top-notch.

Every Sunday or Monday i ask the girls to give me there schedule so its not my fault if one decides to cancel or not show up at the last minutes after i do my daily post...
Then maybe you should stop using this system. It doesn't seem to be working very well. Posting advanced schedules when there is a 50% chance that the girls won't be showing up for work is useless.


I hope you understand that in this BIZ i don't or can't control the girls, its all up to them...
I beg to differ. As an operator of an agency, it is part of your duties to control your employees in a reasonable way in order to make your operation as efficient as possible. You can't let your employees dictate how the operation is run & do as they please. They need to show some form of accountability & be made to realize that punctuality is essential in this type of work or else everyone winds up being affected negatively.

Maybe you should consider doing what most other agencies do: post schedules in the afternoon on a daily basis after everyone's confirmed they will indeed come in for work. If the girls can't follow those simple rules & be punctual, maybe they should look elsewhere for work. They'll realize it's not always rosier at other agencies.

Just my two cents.
 
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1. EagerBeaver you don't have to put your frustration on my Agency and call us a BAIT & SWITCH agency.
His frustration is due to how your agency managed, or rather mis-managed, his attempted booking with Ibiza, and you are not taking responsibility for it?

2.You were frustrated bcs, like you said your plan A & B got canceled which was not even with us so its not fair for my team to suffer for it!! Don't you agree?
No doubt on my mind that EB can handle plan A, B, C... Z. Where did he say that he is holding you accountable for other plans not working out?

3. This thread its not about your plans but its about IBIZA, so i don't think your frustration belongs here.
No, Sir, it does belong here. This is related to Ibiza. Customers do have to book her through your agency. Is that not true?

4. When you call for a specific girl at any agency and she isn't available for any reason its just normal that the booker suggest someone else and trust me the girl (ELECTRA) that my booker suggested you is one of my top notch. Its your lost!!!
No, Sir, it is your loss. You lost a potential booking and probably other potential customers.

5. Every Sunday or Monday i ask the girls to give me there schedule so its not my fault if one decides to cancel or not show up at the last minutes after i do my daily post...
I hope you understand that in this BIZ i don't or can't control the girls, its all up to them..
And if they don't show up for work as scheduled, shouldn't you remove them from the schedule posted here on MERB and on your site?


BTW, I called and tried to book Ibiza recently after Angel Escorts posted here on MERB that she was working that day. I was told she was "fully booked" and was offered other girls, including Electra. One girl offered to me was not on the schedule so I asked to confirm. The response was, shall I say, less than polite and I got treated like an idiot who asked a dumb question. I was told this other girl was sitting next to the booker in the car. Oh, well, how the fu*k was I supposed to know that? Needless to say, you did not get my business that day.
 
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Possibly, but that's not what Eagerbeaver's post was about. He never once said that the girl(s) he was offered were not top-notch.



Then maybe you should stop using this system. It doesn't seem to be working very well. Posting advanced schedules when there is a 50% chance that the girls won't be showing up for work is useless.
i think we could all calm down a bit!!

I respectfully disagree... maybe because I live in Montreal, I really love the prebooking system and it works really well. I've probably used Angel Escorts close to 20 times using the prebooking system, and have only had 2 cancellations so far. Both times, yes the booker tried to offer me another girl (makes sense from a business point of view) but I always just respectfully declined and told them I would wait for the next time my girl was on to book her and that was that...

Let's face it, this is a shady business, and is often a logistical nightmare for bookers, I think guys like Angel and candyshop do a freakin good job. They always let people know asap if someone cancels (it s rarely happened with me) , i've had bookings with her agencies that never bother to tell you and then never reply when the girl doesn't show up..

Yes, some of the girls should *try* to be more punctual, but let's face it, lots of them are 20ish and immature... the most i think an agency should do if a girl cancels like that is talk to the girl about professinalism and if it happens too often, either fire her or tell her they won't prebook her anymore... I don't believe the girl should ever be forced into anything, that's when an agency becomes a pimp, and it's just negative for everyone involved... if a girl shows up to your place when she doesn't feel like it, you're probably gonna have a crappy experience and then post a negative review here...
 

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Thanks to the Mods for restoring these posts. I just want to make one more point.

I called Angel Escorts early afternoon on 4/23 - 3:03 pm per my cellphone records. Inquiring about Chanel.

Here is the advertising thread they put up on MERB at 2:15 pm that day, some 48 minutes earlier:

https://merb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...TABATHA-CELINA-NEW-ELECTRA-SEXY-PICS-ANGELINA

They informed me in a second call at 3:06 p.m. that Chanel was having her period and would not be in. Yet they posted at 7:34 p.m., later that day to get their advertising bump, and did not remove Chanel as being "on". The above is proof that they are engaged in misleading advertising. They want people calling for Chanel so they can bait and switch on to other girls who are working. If they did not, they would have removed Chanel when they updated the thread 4.5 hours later at 7:34 p.m. They knew she would not in, because they told me so 4.5 hours earlier. I waited for them to update the thread and was shocked that they kept Chanel as "on", knowing she would not be in.

It is what it is. You can call it whatever you want. I call it bullshit.
 
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I remember i once had an issue with 'tempted 2 touch' i believe..?
They had at least 30 girls on the site, with 2 working ..?
When i called to inform myself on when some of the girls on the list would be available..? The booker rudely said he knows nothing of these other girls..?
So i asked him if these girls really exist? Only to be politely told that it doesnt concern me? And unless i want one of the 2 girls available.. To stop wasting his time..!!.. I didnt have the chance to say another word, because he then hung up on me..
So i wrote in a new thread how rude the booker was, only to find that thread dissapear..?
( did i erase it? I doubt it )
Eventually i was given an explanation why there are so many girls by a nice girl who took my call.. But had it been the same guy who anwsered? I assure you i would of returned the favour, not booked, and hung up..
 

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Quite often when i come into town i will call an agency and try to pre book one of there popular ladies usually for a 2 to 4 hr date. When i pre book them i let the agency know upfront that there will be no substitutions and there will be no exceptions, it is the lady i booked or no one. The odd time on the day of the date if i get a call from the agency saying the lady i booked is not available i never let them send another lady. I always call a different agency and see someone else who is on my list. I never let an agency think they can waste my time and that i will accept anybody else from there agency because they didn't properly follow thru to make sure that my date showed up. I accept no excuses, even though i realize at times it may not be the agencies fault, as the girl may have committed to the date but then decided not to work but i try to drive home the message that there are no substitutes so if i have someone pre booked with them again a day or two later they will know i mean business.
 

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The odd time on the day of the date if i get a call from the agency saying the lady i booked is not available i never let them send another lady. I always call a different agency and see someone else who is on my list.
And that is where I was when this happened - in scramble mode, on plan C. Short on time and patience for sure, but that does not constitute any excuse for the agency to do what they did.

The truth is, with agencies I have dealt with many times and know me, like Eleganza and XXXtase, I don't have to worry about such preemptive statements. If I call John Eleganza and tell him I want to see a lady he will tell me when he will know, when to call him etc. and there is no hassle or wasted time. John understands not to waste people's time. In fact my plan A on this trip had been to see Logan of Eleganza for 3 hours, and that plan did not pan out. John told me exactly when to call him, and I did so, and then it was on to plan B with no hassle. John gave me very timely notice. There was no misleading, he told me when he would know about Logan and then he followed through. He never posted that she was on or misled me.

Plan B involved Cindy of Asservissante and I dealt with Martin of Asservissante and he gave me a clear picture of what was going on. He thought she could end up working, kept me posted and did not mislead me in any way. It was only after I heard from Martin the final word that Cindy was a no go that I moved on to plan C which was Chanel at Angel Escorts.

I finally had luck with plan D which was Lola of Montreal Lust Escorts, whom I had already seen and reviewed. I called MLE at 3:09 pm on 4/23 per my cellphone register, they offered to have her to my room at 3:20 p.m., and not having showered at that point, I told them make it 4 pm. She arrived at 4:03 pm. So I had solid dealings with 3 professional agencies on that date, and a subtle bait and switch with one which completely infuriated me.
 
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Hello Ricky,

Yes, in fact, you did start such a thread on Oct 10, 2010, and you did delete it yourself. You made two posts in the thread and there was one other reply 4 days after you started the topic. A perfect example of a member claiming that moderators are responsible for actions they took themselves and forgot about. Perhaps we should consider preventing members from deleting or editing their posts after a certain period of time has elapsed to avoid such mistakes and claims.

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I remember i once had an issue with 'tempted 2 touch' i believe..?
They had at least 30 girls on the site, with 2 working ..?
When i called to inform myself on when some of the girls on the list would be available..? The booker rudely said he knows nothing of these other girls..?
So i asked him if these girls really exist? Only to be politely told that it doesnt concern me? And unless i want one of the 2 girls available.. To stop wasting his time..!!.. I didnt have the chance to say another word, because he then hung up on me..
So i wrote in a new thread how rude the booker was, only to find that thread dissapear..?
( did i erase it? I doubt it )
Eventually i was given an explanation why there are so many girls by a nice girl who took my call.. But had it been the same guy who anwsered? I assure you i would of returned the favour, not booked, and hung up..
 

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Perhaps we should consider preventing members from deleting or editing their posts after a certain period of time has elapsed to avoid such mistakes and claims.
Actually the Utopia Guide (one of the New York City escort review boards) has such a policy. It used to be 3 minutes to edit your post, then I think they increased it to 10 because 3 minutes was not enough. But after that you cannot remove the post, only the Moderator can. It discourages very frivolous posting, I think.
 

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MERB is one of the few forums permitting members to keep total control of what they post. It shows a great respect for them, leaving them a say on the copyrights. Considering the few disadvantages, I think MERB should keep it the way it is now. Members may have many reasons to edit, or at least delete posts. They should not be required to explain themselves to a mod prior to a deletion. It would also increase the workload of the mods.
 

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It has always been MERB policy to allow members to control their own posts and threads. It has always been, in my opinion, one of the things along with the suspended members thread and our no review policy, that has set MERB apart from other review boards. Unfortunately this policy allows certain members to play fast and loose with the truth. In the past we had one member, bensonnobalia by name, who used to love making controversial attack posts and then deleting or editing them in the attempt to avoid a ban. He often deleted his own threads or posts and then claimed the mods removed them and were censoring him. This has not been a problem since he was given his walking papers, not as far as a deliberate act in any case, but members can make errors on occasion in their statements as Ricky Bonds did above as, like the mods, they are human. I have no doubt that Ricky made a simple error and had no intention of blaming the mods for the removal of the thread.

In any case, moderators can restore any deleted post or thread if required and are glad to do so if there is a valid reason for it.
 

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Yesterday, Martin of XXXtase, in his advertising post, said the following, "Don`t deprive yourself of Montreal`s BEST outcalls escort / model agency that has the best customer service & PUNCTUALITY the HOTTEST LADIES that offer the best service and have the BEST ATTITUDE here." The last word, "here" was a link to https://merb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...fying-Escort-Agencies-Poll.&highlight=xxxtase.

This poll, "The Most Reliable and Satisfying Escort Agencies Poll" dates to May 18 of 2008. Would you consider this a devious agency practice, an acceptance that his agency has gone downhill in the intervening period, or just silliness?
 
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