Hamas & Israel

[Anna Bijou]

Ghouls.

You are incapable of looking outside of your superiority bubble.

Go watch the scenes Fox isn't showing, or none of the corporate media does. It's your work, you should see all of it.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1722961961707508177

Israel is a criminal, terrorist state in the process of committing genocide.

 

[minutemenX]

It's really hard to imagine - on November 12th - after over 1 month of watching the most atrocious butchering of innocent people, the murdering & maiming of fucking children - that there are still people who are not one bit as deeply ashamed

Anna, I am glad that you also condemn Hamas terrorists

 

[poupsy]

Ghouls.

You are incapable of looking outside of your superiority bubble.

Go watch the scenes Fox isn't showing, or none of the corporate media does. It's your work, you should see all of it.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1722961961707508177

Israel is a criminal, terrorist state in the process of committing genocide.

dear Anna
The narrative of oppression genocide apartheid etc is outdated.and everyone knows it's all BS by now. Open your eyes. Maybe ask yourself why most democratic countries ( and some arabs and palestinians also) can't wait for Israel to get rid of hamas. Or maybe you know more than Prime ministers and highly eductated elected people.
I really do feel bad for innocent Gazan and kids. maybe I can send you hamas videos killing their people tring to escape south and their own rokets falling back on them.
Maybe the premises of all of this that you forget or intend to ignore is the facts that Hamas and islamists are calling for simple elimination of Israel and jews around the world.
Also you forget the historic facts that jews belong there, arabs never wanted to admit a democraty and jews despite fair UN partition, countless suicide bombing, palestinians are manipulated by corruption endoctrinment, hate and call for genocide of jewish state and people.
unfortunatly war is dirty but sometime you have to remove an organ to treat a cancer.
You should elevate yourself and see who you're supporting. look at the hate and radicalization in our streets. Is this what you are rooting for?

 

[EagerBeaver]

You should elevate yourself and see who you're supporting. look at the hate and radicalization in our streets. Is this what you are rooting for?

You think Hamas wasn't counting on the Israelis retaliating for the indiscriminate murders of its civilians exactly as they have done, and then naive sheep like her grazing off of the assorted "anti Zionist" hate drool posted on the Internet to galvanize their opposition? Joseph Goebbels once did the same thing with false flag operations and, as disturbing as it was, he was hailed as a genius propagandist for it.

Most people who are knowledgeable about the situation know it's far more complicated than the one sided version being presented here. I think what's happening is unfortunate but there is a cancer that has to be removed and cancer treatment isn't pretty. It's quite painful if you have ever seen anyone go through it.

On another subject though, I don"t know what the endgame is. If we could go back to 1947 and the original UN proposal that the Arabs rejected before all of them attacked Israel, you would have to ask if this was really a great idea in retrospect. I don't think it was. Israel was overwhelmingly outnumbered in both 1948 and 1967 when it was attacked and overwhelmingly defeated multiple Arab nations in both of those conflicts. So Israel is attacked once again and is having to go to war once again in 2023. Nothing has really changed since 1948, and the reason why is the intrinsic, abject failure of the socio-political structures of the Palestinians and their allies. Until you change the internal system of governance which is responsible for the current situation, there will be no advancement of any practical solution. If an entire system is predicted on hatred and complete destruction of another nation and its people, a conflict like the one we have right now is inevitable. So a starting point would be to root that out, but you kind of have to rebuild and reshape the country much like what was done with Germany after it was bombed into submission at the end of World War II. Is some kind of permanent military presence necessary there? As in Germany? Probably- but an international/UN force would be ideal.

 

[Christian32]

I invite anyone wanting to understanding more about this conflict to watch this video which is free from propaganda and biases inherent to mainstream media. If a picture is worth a thousand words... imagine what a video can tell you

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1720747025593966674

It amazes me how someone can say that this video is "free from propaganda".... it is like PURE propaganda: it doesn't say a single thing about Hamas and omit critical things like
- Israel state was created by the United Nations
- Palestinians never accepted Israel and caused the many wars
- Gaza, most crowded place on earth, now has an army and military base just under it: Hamas and they get out time to time to attack Israel with no specific goal other than killing Israelis.

This conflict will never be solve if people keep falling for this propaganda... Hamas backers like Iran (possibly Russia now too)… are feeding on this.

 

[EagerBeaver]

It amazes me how someone can say that this video is "free from propaganda".... it is like PURE propaganda: it doesn't say a single thing about Hamas and omit critical things like
- Israel state was created by the United Nations
- Palestinians never accepted Israel and caused the many wars
- Gaza, most crowded place on earth, now has an army and military base just under it: Hamas and they get out time to time to attack Israel with no specific goal other than killing Israelis.

This conflict will never be solve if people keep falling for this propaganda... Hamas backers like Iran (possibly Russia now too)… are feeding on this.

Unfortunately some have chosen to live in a delusional world that is out of touch with reality. The post you responded to was pure and unaldulterated nonsense which if any purer in form, would draw the envy of Walter White.

 

[Mod21]

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[minutemenX]

Everyone,

Once again, the moderation observes that political discussions are becoming increasingly uncivil. Some recent posts in this thread are testing the moderation's tolerance for these kinds of antics.

A reminder therefore, which has been made too often: this is an Escort review board first, not a political discussions forum. These spaces are provided as a courtesy to members who are also interested in these subjects.

The moderation reiterates the expectation that the discussions in the political threads will be civil and fully adhere to the Forum Rules, especially when members are at opposite ends of the political spectrum.

If it is not possible for you to engage in political discussions without attacking the character of other members, do not engage with these members - or simply stay away from the political discussions. Period. This applies to all members, without exception.

Thanks for your collaboration.

I agree. So, these are my comments to UN Secretary António Guterres today post who I believe is not a member of the MERB community (however who knows? ):

"But there is a basic principle for me, and that is that Hamas is not the Palestinian people. And you need to be able to distinguish Hamas from the Palestinian people. And so you cannot use the horrific things that the Hamas did as a reason for collective punishment of the Palestinian people."

If UN Secretary does not have a shred of reasonable logic in his head what we can expect from the ordinary people?

- Hamas is not the Palestinian people. Ok, I get it. Hamas are Martians or at the very least North Koreans with clever plastic surgery. All birth certificates are forged.

- Hamas does not represent Palestinian People. Pardon me? I believe Palestinian people think otherwise. They elected Hamas in the first place. They were happy to align themselves with Hamas goal which is the destruction of Israel and killing Jews. They were OK with diverting international support money for building the largest terror infrastructure in the world. They, and not only a few thousands of Hamas fighters, built tunnels, thousands of rockets etc., and were proud of it. They were cheering for Hamas massacre on October 7th and were elated parading naked women and elderly hostages. They do not condemn Hamas action still both in Gaza and the West Bank not even a single person in interviews with the Western media.

This false narrative has to end: Germany is not Hitler (Hitler himself killed 6M Jews), Russia is not Putin (never mind thousands of Russian soldiers enthusiastically killing Ukrainians on their land), etc. It is the responsibility of every citizen to openly disagree, show civil disobedience, and fight the government that is against your basic convictions. If you align yourself with it, then “face the music”.

 

[Obvio-0bvio]

I agree. So, these are my comments to UN Secretary António Guterres today post who I believe is not a member of the MERB community (however who knows? ):

"But there is a basic principle for me, and that is that Hamas is not the Palestinian people. And you need to be able to distinguish Hamas from the Palestinian people. And so you cannot use the horrific things that the Hamas did as a reason for collective punishment of the Palestinian people."

If UN Secretary does not have a shred of reasonable logic in his head what we can expect from the ordinary people?

- Hamas is not the Palestinian people. Ok, I get it. Hamas are Martians or at the very least North Koreans with clever plastic surgery. All birth certificates are forged.

- They do not represent Palestinian People. Pardon me? I believe Palestinian people think otherwise. They elected Hamas in the first place. They were happy to align themselves with Hamas goal which is the destruction of Israel and killing Jews. They were OK with diverting international support money for building the largest terror infrastructure in the world. They, and not only a few thousands of Hamas fighters, built tunnels, thousands of rockets etc., and were proud of it. They were cheering for Hamas massacre on October 7th and were elated parading naked women and elderly hostages. They do not condemn Hamas action still both in Gaza and the West Bank not even a single person in interviews with the Western media.

This narrative has to end: Hitler is not Germany (he himself killed 6M Jews), Putin is not Russia (never mind thousands of Russian soldiers enthusiastically killing Ukrainians on their land), etc. It is the responsibility of every citizen to openly disagree, show civil disobedience, and fight the government that is against your basic convictions. If you align yourself with it, then “face the music”.

I wholeheartedly agree with the moderator accurate assessment.I was actually planning to express the same sentiments as the moderator. In light of the ongoing war and its impact, I believe it is crucial for us to avoid being at odds with one another. Merb is not about fostering opposition, but rather promoting unity, unlike the divisive direction the world seems to be heading in. Instead of being against each other, let us prioritize mutual respect and avoid conflicts. Ultimately, we are all part of one big, caring family.

 

[CaptRenault]

"This conflict is not about land; it is about values. Jihad, violence and death versus freedom, equal rights and peace. Which side are you on?"

 

[EagerBeaver]

"This conflict is not about land; it is about values. Jihad, violence and death versus freedom, equal rights and peace. Which side are you on?"

That video kind of summarizes what I said in a number of posts about the leadership of the Palestinians in general and their associated groups in general.

 

[EagerBeaver]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/13/politics/al-shifa-hospital-us-intelligence/index.html

 

[minutemenX]

Interview with Israeli special unit soldier:

 

[Obvio-0bvio]

What does “From the river to the sea…” really mean?

 

[Halloween Mike]

I am myself an atheist. I have no religious attachement. Im not a Jew.

I stand with Israel because what i saw on Oct 7 is barbaric and depraved. It have been done before from Islamist Jihad (9/11, Lodon Bombing, Bataclan and so on) but never to this level of atrocity, at least not on such a large scale. I mean more peoples died on 9/11 but the terrorists didn't go to the level of barbarism these guys did. They aimed to kill wich in itself is atrocious, but from my understanding everybody died rather quickly. Seeing the body of Shani Louk all bended in weird ways getting paraded and spit on while not only Hamas members but also "civlians" spit on her... Seeing Namaa Levy getting moved by her hair while her pants were full of blood (likely because she was raped by many peoples)... The testimonies from journalist saying small kids were thrown grenades at ... families burned. That video of this guy getting hit by a shovel while they tried to decapitate him. I could go on and on. All of this is so atrocious ... while these monsters cheered and were happy.

Hamas use civilians to hide, they use hospitals to hide and put their base on. Im sure some civilians do not support Hamas (there was a video of one women in particular wich was shocking, one guy covered her mouth), but the reality is half the population of Gaza is brainwashed in wishing death and harm to Israel, thinking death is some kind of reward, while the other half is either too young to do anything or too afraid (rightfully so).

There is no "good outcome". What Israel is doing now is the only way. Its sad to see children dies of course ! But the reality is Hamas could end this. They could surrender inconditionally and release the hostage. They don't. Just like Japan in 45, sometimes extreme measures is all you can do.... You think these civilians of Nagasaki and Hiroshima deserved it? Of course not !! Tons of innocent civilians died. Its horrible. But somewhat in history books USA is seen as the good guy...

So the IDF does what is must do... as ugly as it is.

What really trouble me is seeing all these "pro palestinians protests". Some just want a ceasefire ok, wich i can understand they THINK its the right thing even if its not. But a LOT are for Hamas, and agree to what they did, and want Israel erradicated. That is so scary. These peoples are not in Gaza or Iran. They are among us... in Montreal, in Toronto.

So personally, i say IDF need to fight til Hamas is erradicated to the last one (or all surrender) and all hostages are freed or their body recovered. Israel tried to let Gaza be ruled by others. Look where it took them. They need to assure security.

Edit : I look a bit at last page and some of you quoted Jackson Hinkle... this guy is a conspiracy theorist, a total nutjob... He spread lies like he breathe. He is basically Alex Jones on steroids. Using him won't get you any points.

 

[poupsy]

https://www.hamas.com/

Then choose

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[Obvio-0bvio]

https://www.hamas.com/

Then choose

Hello my friend, I respect your choice , but perhaps we should refrain from following the prevalent trend of picking sides and fostering division.

I strongly believe that the media is playing a significant role in instigating this divisive environment, with motives that surpass our comprehension.

Interestingly enough, I recall a recent occurrence where the media also emphasized the distinction between those who received vaccinations and those who did not.

Personally, I find this to be a peculiar coincidence, first with the pandemic and now with the war conflicts. Let us set aside our political affiliations and focus on the purpose of this forum.

We have gathered here to discuss service providers, an area in which we are very passionate and unable to control our enthusiasm.

Therefore, let us remain true to our purpose and refrain from partaking in the world's divisive behavior. We are united for one reason only, and that is to service providers.

 

[minutemenX]

Hello my friend, I respect your choice , but perhaps we should refrain from following the prevalent trend of picking sides and fostering division.
Therefore, let us remain true to our purpose and refrain from partaking in the world's divisive behavior. We are united for one reason only, and that is to service providers.

It is not a very comfortable and wise to sit on the fence in the middle of the war field. You will not get any brownie points from both sides, just bullets.

 

[neverbored]

http://REDACTED WEBSITE

This looked sketchy as hell lol
Did a quick check, and it looks like there is something really fishy behind that domain. Its also not passing antivirus check....Pretty sure you don't want a cookie set for that domain either... just saying.

 

[Obvio-0bvio]

It is not a very comfortable and wise to sit on the fence in the middle of the war field. You will not get any brownie points from both sides, just bullets.

I understand your point, my friend, but I am exhausted from following the same path as everyone else.

Instead, I suggest we adopt a neutral stance and hope for a positive outcome in this war. I am unwilling to blindly take sides as the media is pressuring everyone to do.

It is evident that both countries are responsible for their actions. Let's observe how events unfold and witness the world's reaction.

However, I am resolute in my refusal to engage in the divisive behavior that the world is currently promoting.