incall legal?
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Technically, YES. Unlikely to get busted if visiting an indy in a hotel room. Perhaps more likely if visiting an apartment hosted by an agency. Massage parlors are most likely to be raided. The most likely reason for LE to get involved is if there is a suspicion of drug use or underage employment. They can actually bust an agency for transporting girls without commercial permits, that's why agency drivers keep low profile when driving around, or avoid using minivans.
There is already an excellent thread on this topic which answers your question:
Legal or Not - https://merb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?1378-Legal-or-Not
Also here is a good summary of prostitution laws in Canada in layman`s language put out by the Edmonton Police Force (These laws apply to the whole country) :
Legalities of Prostitution - http://www.edmontonpolice.ca/commun...on/prostitution/legalitiesofprostitution.aspx
Legal or Not - https://merb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?1378-Legal-or-Not
Also here is a good summary of prostitution laws in Canada in layman`s language put out by the Edmonton Police Force (These laws apply to the whole country) :
Legalities of Prostitution - http://www.edmontonpolice.ca/commun...on/prostitution/legalitiesofprostitution.aspx
Thanks for the links Robin X. I particularly found the Edmonton Police link very helpful.
So from that website, my understanding is that essentially any Incall location could be considered a Bawdy house, and if it happens to be raided by the police while you as a "John" are on the premises, then you are guilty of being "found in", and could be prosecuted and/or subpoenaed. Is that essentially a correct interpretation of the law?
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Yup ! Correct
and you are warned !
and... very bad luck... but mostly unlikely...
PS not sure about subopenaed... someone knows?/can clarify?
The subpoenaed part appears on the Edmonton Police website in the link provided my RobinX...
Common bawdy-house -- s. 210:
It is illegal to own, operate or even be in a bawdy house. Most people think of a bawdy house as something like a brothel, but this can apply to any place that is frequently and habitually used for the purposes of prostitution. Johns found in the premises will be subpoenaed to court to give evidence about their experience on the premises. Massage parlours can be prosecuted under this law.
Common bawdy-house -- s. 210:
It is illegal to own, operate or even be in a bawdy house. Most people think of a bawdy house as something like a brothel, but this can apply to any place that is frequently and habitually used for the purposes of prostitution. Johns found in the premises will be subpoenaed to court to give evidence about their experience on the premises. Massage parlours can be prosecuted under this law.
Of course you can be subpoenaed to court to give evidence in such a case. But it is very unlikely that you will. When they raid such a place, they usually gather sufficient evidence before they do the bust. BTW, being subsubpoenaed is not much of an issue for the client. It has no consequence for him. Being accused has. Going to motels or hotels that have a huge amount of prostitution activity increases your chances to get involved in a bust. Doing business with agencies that do in-call in regular hotels an change hotel in a regular base such a Nadya and the one that Eleganza is doing a poll about is the best way to go. As for the the Indys doing in-call in an apartment or condo, the risk is with a complaint by the neighbors.
I guess it all comes down to how much risk you're willing to accept when you are hobbying. I don't live in Montreal, and when I visit, of course I stay in a hotel. So it's just as easy for me to do outcalls, and avoid the potential problems that might arise with an incall meeting. But I can understand that other hobbiest may have a different situation, and are willing to accept a little more risk.
Sorry to bump a somewhat old-ish thread, but what's the current legal status of incall, given that the Ontario Court of Appeals has rendered its decision in Bedford v. Canada and has largely struck down the "bawdy house" laws? Does the Court of Appeals' decision hold only in Ontario, or is it valid all across Canada? There's a one-year stay in effect, but is enforcement actually happening in Montréal? Has anything changed?
Bottom line: what's the current risk level to a hobbyist who might want to go to an incall in Montréal?
Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedford_v._Canada
Bottom line: what's the current risk level to a hobbyist who might want to go to an incall in Montréal?
Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedford_v._Canada
Only in Ontario.
Nothing has changed neither in Ontario nor in Montréal or anywhere else in Canada for incall. It is illegal and enforcement actually continues to happen. The only situation that has changed is the enforcement of article 212(1)(j) in Ontario, ruled unconstitutional by the Ontario Court of Appeal. It is about living of the avails of prostitution when not in circumstances of exploitation. The stay was 30 days in that case.
Risks are mostly linked with minors, drugs, organized crime or other criminal links, fiscal control and neighbors complaint. Police almost never bust otherwise. The lowest risk is with a renowned agency or indy (read merb to find them) operating in higher end hotel rooms or places where neighbor complain is improbable. In those cases the risks are very weak.
If you use a well known agency the risk are very very low im sure. I mean you knock at the door, you know the girl aint a cop from the start, so what could happen. If police arrive, what prove your having sex for money? I mean how its illegal to go see the escort at her room, but legal to have her in YOUR ROOM... in the end it all come to the term of who paid who... and until that happen... cops have no proof... People come and go in hotels... i have friends that visit me in my hotel when im in montreal, usually before going to a bar or whatever. A private house may be different but well..
Personally i know i could save myself 110$ if i used incall... especially since most of the time i don't even stay in montreal for the time but still pay the full night price(my hotel don't do 4 hours) but i like the confort of staying in my room waiting she arrive, shower smoothly without rush(i come from sherbrooke, so even if i clean before going, its most likely i will have sweat between, especially in the summer) and all...
Also in incall, if a girl do COF for exemple, i could end up in another dude juice... LOL no thanks. I don't think escort changes sheets between clients.
Personally i know i could save myself 110$ if i used incall... especially since most of the time i don't even stay in montreal for the time but still pay the full night price(my hotel don't do 4 hours) but i like the confort of staying in my room waiting she arrive, shower smoothly without rush(i come from sherbrooke, so even if i clean before going, its most likely i will have sweat between, especially in the summer) and all...
Also in incall, if a girl do COF for exemple, i could end up in another dude juice... LOL no thanks. I don't think escort changes sheets between clients.
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