Revisionist History - NRP (no review policies)

[YouVantOption]

I've been thinking about NRPs.

I agree with them, indeed I assisted in obtaining one for a colleague who retired. However, I'm not SURE I agree with them for ongoing concerns, it is a double-edged sword.

Here's the thing

an NRP is accompanied by the removal of the historical data on file, which i find objectionable. I think that this doesn't do justice to the contributions of the users of MERB, and it serves to hide facts and assertions made that could assist in a decision to use, or not use a given service.

Yes, I know this is a long standing policy of MERB. Yes, I am aware that Fred and the MODS have said 'our way or the highway'. However, i am broaching this discussion in hopes that middle ground can be discussed and entertained as a plausible course moving forward.

For example, expunging specific posts from the historical record and locking the thread may be the way to go ...

 

[Ben Dover]

Boycott.....

YVO,

It's not complicated. It's about one thing: MONEY.

There is no financial benefit to keeping these reviews available. There IS financials benefit to pandering to paid advertisers.

I can't envision a likely business model that would result in a meaningful change to the current policy. I'm sure MERB has probably considered making those NRP reviews available to "supporting members" in a special archive for a fee, but the logistics around that would be complicated.

Personally, I think merbites should simply boycott all providers who have an NRP. Anyone not willing to be reviewed on a review board does not deserve the business of the members.

Fred and the mods run this place and have the right to do whatever they want. Makes no sense for them to make a bad business decision because a bunch of member are whining over it. They made the right business decision for them and I completely respect it.

As members, we should make our own business decisions for ourselves and I say BOYCOTT THE NRP PROVIDERS STARTING TODAY.

Who's in?


BD

 

[YouVantOption]

YVO,

It's not complicated. It's about one thing: MONEY.

There is no financial benefit to keeping these reviews available. There IS financials benefit to pandering to paid advertisers.

In the case to which I am referring, that is incorrect. The SP is not an active advertiser at this point in time.

 

[Ben Dover]

In the case to which I am referring, that is incorrect. The SP is not an active advertiser at this point in time.

Then, who cares?

I think merb has one policy and does not differentiate between active and retired SPs...

Deleting reviews of retired SPs makes sense to certain degree (until she comes back). Bu, I think if she comes back and does not have a NRP, then the old reviews should come back too.

I am currently boycotting ALL retired SPs with no exceptions anyway


BD

 

[YouVantOption]

Just change the current NRP to a time-limited, renewable, OPT-IN policy. If SP's choose not to renew at the end of the term, all information pertaining to them would be CLASSIFIED until they OPT-IN again. Nothing gets deleted. No big whoop but, really, does anyone give a sh*t about retired escorts?

It isn't about retired escorts, but someone who expurgated their historical record while continuing to operate in the field which i find offensive.

BO's suggestion to boycott those with NRPs isn't bad, but presupposes people actively remembering to look such things up before booking.

I for one will vote with my money.

 

[Ben Dover]

It would probably be easy enough to remember if there was an ongoing thread devoted to "NRP boycott". The first post in the thread could be a list that would be continuously updated until all of the active SPs on it decide to lift their own NRP or retire.

All one would need to do is check that thread before booking.

BD

 

[PSE.DUDE]

Nrp

For any business model to be successful, rules have to be clear cut, exceptions only open the door to abuse and make management impossible. Give an inch and people are going to take a mile. In this case, the MODS make sure they follow their own rules or they will lose advertisers and therefore their business will fail. We come here for free, so they owe us nothing and let’s be honest here, an SP that has an NRP is only hurting herself, as for the retired SP’s asking for one, they’re retired so WHO CARES, we won’t be able to hire them anyways because they are RETIRED!!!!!

 

[Merlot]

I've been thinking about NRPs.

I agree with them, indeed I assisted in obtaining one for a colleague who retired. However, I'm not SURE I agree with them for ongoing concerns, it is a double-edged sword.

Here's the thing

an NRP is accompanied by the removal of the historical data on file, which i find objectionable. I think that this doesn't do justice to the contributions of the users of MERB, and it serves to hide facts and assertions made that could assist in a decision to use, or not use a given service.

Yes, I know this is a long standing policy of MERB. Yes, I am aware that Fred and the MODS have said 'our way or the highway'. However, i am broaching this discussion in hopes that middle ground can be discussed and entertained as a plausible course moving forward.

For example, expunging specific posts from the historical record and locking the thread may be the way to go ...

Hello YVO,

NRPs make good business sense between the board owner(s) and advertisers, poor sense when the goal to encourage more reviews instantly becomes hypocritical because of NRPs and review deletions. No honest effort by a board member should ever be removed. Retroactive deletions due to new NRP requests are a slap in the face of all board members making honest efforts to support the board with reviews by using THEIR TIME and REPUTATION to do so. And removing information that helps hobbyists choose between escorts is essentially a deception.

You're entitled to be offended by anything you want but, as I posted earlier, a OPT-IN/CLASSIFICATION policy would make it so that nothing ever gets deleted (the record would be declassified from the moment a SP would OPT-IN. Moreover, SP's would no longer be able to play yo-yo (bad review, NRP/good review lift NRP and so forth).

A boycott would only create a confrontational atmosphere that would be divisive. I can understand why escorts and agencies might want NRPs given some hidden individual agendas or personal squabbles and feuds. But, I object to NRPs because they also hide and prevent improvement on poor service. The best of both choices is 10-19s idea. It's not a great one, but it's a barely acceptable compromise.

If I had my way any agency or escort with an "NRP" would have that acronym branded next to their name whenever they post so all members could understand they were controlling information about them and so let the hobbyists decide if they were hiding something or just trying to protect themselves.

It isn't about retired escorts, but someone who expurgated their historical record while continuing to operate in the field which i find offensive.

BO's suggestion to boycott those with NRPs isn't bad, but presupposes people actively remembering to look such things up before booking.

I for one will vote with my money.

Hence the ease of an NRP brand next to the name on every post.

Cheers,

Merlot

 

[YouVantOption]

For any business model to be successful, rules have to be clear cut, exceptions only open the door to abuse and make management impossible. Give an inch and people are going to take a mile. In this case, the MODS make sure they follow their own rules or they will lose advertisers and therefore their business will fail. We come here for free, so they owe us nothing and let’s be honest here, an SP that has an NRP is only hurting herself, as for the retired SP’s asking for one, they’re retired so WHO CARES, we won’t be able to hire them anyways because they are RETIRED!!!!!

We did not come here for free. The mass contributions and membership to this board are the value-add that allows MERB to sell advertising space. Go see how many ads are sold on boards with little traffic.

And, once again, we aren't talking about RETIRED SPs. Clearly those aren't relevant to the discussion.

 

[eastender]

Not So Fast

For any business model to be successful, rules have to be clear cut, exceptions only open the door to abuse and make management impossible. Give an inch and people are going to take a mile. In this case, the MODS make sure they follow their own rules or they will lose advertisers and therefore their business will fail. We come here for free, so they owe us nothing and let’s be honest here, an SP that has an NRP is only hurting herself, as for the retired SP’s asking for one, they’re retired so WHO CARES, we won’t be able to hire them anyways because they are RETIRED!!!!!

The "Free Members" create value for the boards by building a memership list, creating traffic and a sense of community.These contributions drive advertising rates and in the event of sale would be key determining factors in the sale price.

 

[YouVantOption]

We did not come here for free. The mass contributions and membership to this board are the value-add that allows MERB to sell advertising space. Go see how many ads are sold on boards with little traffic.

And, once again, we aren't talking about RETIRED SPs. Clearly those aren't relevant to the discussion.

By the way with regard to coming here for free; the progenitor of MERB, CANBEST died an ignominious death when they tried to go pay-for-play; it failed in the same way as many sites do when they try to charge for membership and content.

As well, there have been many many revolutions among group memberships when service owners try to change the rules of the game, or impose wrong-headed policies. I am not advocating for that here. Not in the slightest. I am merely noting the net has plenty of dead and parked domains of those who tried a business model that gone down the wrong path.

What I am advocating for is a discussion about the policy with hopes that a solution that satisfies all parties can be reached.

The way i see it we have several reasons for NRPs

1. retirement
2. Poor reviews
3. Other


(perhaps the MODs can fill us in on this latter)

The NRP doesn't bother me, but the changing of the historical record, for reason TWO, only, does, quite a bit. Now Merlot notes there have been circumstances of questionable motivations with regard to some postings, and to that I would say that in cases where this has been deemed to have happened, historically, we have seen those posts removed from a thread.

if the post of a historical record are deemed to be circumspect, then they can and should be removed, but the record kept and locked, IMO.

 

[YouVantOption]

Either that or OPTing-IN would be in effect for an unlimited time. SP's who OPT-IN would have to live with their choice. I'm not comfortable with such a policy because I don't see the point of making escorting part of one's permanent file.

Whatever the case may be, there should be a mechanism that gives SP's the opportunity to have their word. A girl should be able to say whether she wants to be reviewed or not in the first place.

Why? the whole point of crowd-casting is for a community to be able to voice its opinion. Everything from movie reviews to porn websites are reviewed in this fashion these days (Yelp, anyone?). It is no different for SPs. You takes our money, your takes your chances. End of story.

 

[Fred Zed]

In the case to which I am referring, that is incorrect. The SP is not an active advertiser at this point in time.

Thank you for pointing that out.
Many ( probably most) ladies/establishments who have MERB NRP
are non-advertisers. There are no financial benefits to Merb that accrue from NRP.

 

[Fred Zed]

The way i see it we have several reasons for NRPs

1. retirement
2. Poor reviews
3. Other

ughh..YVO we reserve the right to refuse NRP if the lady's reviews are consistently bad ! The client is protected from rip-offs. If the girl has mixed reviews then that's a different story.

 

[Fred Zed]

Retroactive deletions due to new NRP requests are a slap in the face of all board members making honest efforts to support the board with reviews by using THEIR TIME and REPUTATION to do so. And removing information that helps hobbyists choose between escorts is essentially a deception.

Cheers,

Merlot

Dceception ? Members already know this board has NRP before posting the review.
The value of the board to the hobbyists is it's function as a meeting place for the adult
entertainment community. A large chunk of useful info is exchanged by the members via private messaging.

 

[Merlot]

A Good Reason for NRP.

Dceception ? Members already know this board has NRP before posting the review.
The value of the board to the hobbyists is it's function as a meeting place for the adult
entertainment community. A large chunk of useful info is exchanged by the members via private messaging.

Hello FZ,

I can't say what the motivation is generally for NRPs. I do know that some escorts have told me they don't want reviews because it puts a great deal of pressure on them to provide the same GFE, GFE+, or PSE service they provided to one reviewer they may not wish to provide others for legitimate reasons. That is a critical reason for NRPs, very legitimate, and I was extremely remiss in forgetting about that element previously. We all know that there are those with bad hygiene or some other significantly unappealing quality that may cause the escort to refuse GFE or better service, and some clients will use the reviews of others to pressure escorts unfairly despite the client's unsavory condition or attitudes.

But, when honest reviews with honest information indicating poor service or service lacking in what an individual client wants are deleted (if that is the case), excuse me, but I do call removing decisive information a de facto deception. That's my opinion, though I can understand there may be other good reasons for NRPs.

Cheers,

Merlot

 

[Mod 8]

Hello everyone,

This topic has been addressed many times on MERB. I have also posted the reasons that most girls request a NRP in the past. In the recent past we have refused to place a NRP for a SP that permits reviews and actively advertises on other boards. Our current policy prohibits any advertising of any SP or MP with a NRP in place and we do not grant a NRP for the sole purpose of hiding from bad reviews. That is an unacceptable reason. Also, we do not edit or remove posts at the request of advertisers. Posts are only edited or removed due to the breaking of MERB rules and posting guidelines.

Regarding the removal of past review threads... often a NRP is requested for personal reasons: trouble with an ex boyfriend, family members discovering the lady's activities or other reasons which make it a must to remove all traces of her activity. In cases of retirement, review threads are only removed when requested.

If I had my way any agency or escort with an "NRP" would have that acronym branded next to their name whenever they post so all members could understand they were controlling information about them and so let the hobbyists decide if they were hiding something or just trying to protect themselves.

If you were to check the NRP thread, you will not find any SPs or MPs with no review policies that are actively posting on MERB. In fact if you ever do notice someone with a NRP posting on MERB send me a PM and I will handle the situation.

I would also suggest that members who have other questions about how MERB is run or moderated that they should send such questions to a moderator or start a thread about it as YVO has done in this case. We will be glad to answer your questions if we can and it is a much better method of obtaining your answers than believing the garbage that may be posted elsewhere.

Mod 8

 

[YouVantOption]

Sure, one can always go ''you took my money, fuck you live with it'' in which case there are boards I can refer to. Conversely, others may take into consideration that, for most, sp'ing is a part-time, short-term patch and that being labelled that way may have a negative impact on their non-SP lives. And, guess what, some might even regret that choice.

Sure. But, given that few if any personal information useful enough to identify someone is given on this board, ('blonde with big tits' or 'pretty slender brunette' doesn't count), leaving the information of an active SP intact would seem to be fair to me

This is a side-issue but given that you brought it up yourself, I'm curious to know what role you played in that escort's career for you to call her a ''colleague'' - lol.

She sent me in as a substitute a few times when she couldn't make the call. AND I got better reviews than her too.

 

[Time to Punt]

She sent me in as a substitute a few times when she couldn't make the call. AND I got better reviews than her too.

I bit my tongue so hard on that one that there will be no DATY for a week.

As far as deleting the history, I don't have any huge problem with it - everything considered.

 

[Fred Zed]

This one always makes me scratch my head...

I have no idea why this would be difficult for you to understand. Many good reviews are indeed shared via PM. From reading the posted reviews you should be able to identify members who share the same tastes as you, then it's just a matter of approaching them.