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    Confederate flag banning.

    I have been following this a bit since they tried to ban the sale of confederate flag souvenirs at the Calgary stampede this year plus heard that the gut who owns the dukes of hazard car is also removing the flag.... WTF, why is it all the sudden taboo to have the flag when for decades there was no problem? Now they want the Washington Redskins symbol removed...
    Things are just getting too stupid with the politically correct shit that is going on.
    Just my opinion..
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    Amazon is selective in who they tolerate and who they don't

    Here's an interesting point of view:

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    Online retail giant Amazon’s Monday decision to ban the sale of merchandise depicting the Confederate flag has many Americans scratching their heads, as a quick review of Amazon’s site reveals the company still sells Nazi flags.

    For just $7.35, Amazon shoppers can pick up this Nazi SS flag, depicting the symbol of Adolf Hitler’s “Schutzstaffel” who helped carry out Germany’s annihilation of 6,000,000 Jews during the Holocaust:

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    Amazon also offers this swastika-bearing 3’x5’ flag, which can be found under the listing “Nazi SS flag, 3rd Reich Hitler,” now available for $19.47.

    Amazon has yet to announce if and when it plans on banning these and several other Nazi-related items depicting symbols associated with the slaughter of 6,000,000 Jews.

    Political Correctness, Intolerance and Belly Aching......Does it end with the defacto abolishment of the 1st Amendment?

    P.S. Glad to know that the Moderators haven't really changed, but it did prove a theory of mine regarding Merlot...LOL

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    Never understood why American are still attached to this flag. They lost the war, they where for slavery... There is nothing glorious in that flag. Now selling Nazi flags is also fucked up...
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    The prevailing ideas entertained by [Thomas Jefferson] and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically ... Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the "storm came and the wind blew."

    Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.

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    How is this a 1st amendment issue? I rather believe that it is a great example of free market principles at work...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halloween Mike View Post
    Never understood why American are still attached to this flag. They lost the war, they where for slavery... There is nothing glorious in that flag. Now selling Nazi flags is also fucked up...
    The Rebellion was about far more than slavery. Slavery tends to cast the biggest shadow over the whole Antebellum era and the war, and that's what people think about automatically when anyone mentions the American Civil War. What it was really about was something that lingers to this day. Hmmm, I started to write a history lesson again...but I will spare everyone. Whatever one argues about the Southern Cross flag of the Confederacy there's one incontrovertible fact. It represents REBELLION! That alone makes it a disgrace to fly over government institutions in my view. It should be banned permanently from all places representing the government of the people on any level for that reason...and by the way I was born in the South.

    The fact that the KKK and other racists have put their permanent stain on it makes it all the more of a malignant symbol. I'm not so concerned that this flag is used regarding Free Speech, but it represents TREASON and Racism and it should be banned from all government representation at any level.



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    Merlot I can agree the banning on government buildings but to try and have confederate sales stopped at the Calgary stampede is just wrong. Taking the confederate flag off the General Lee ( Dukes of Hazard car ) is plain stupid, the car value will drop 10 fold. Why was all this left alone until recently? Someone just thought " Hey, I do not like this ". Anyways, as long as I can continue to wear my lederhosen on the beach all is good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol Tee Nutz View Post
    Why was all this left alone until recently?
    Because that idiot shot those people in the church

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merlot View Post
    The Rebellion was about far more than slavery. Slavery tends to cast the biggest shadow over the whole Antebellum era and the war, and that's what people think about automatically when anyone mentions the American Civil War...
    Some years ago, I read a book called ''Confederates in the Attic'' about how the civil war is still very alive for the peole down south. I highly recommand it.

    I'll go as far as to say that the war had little to do about freeing the slaves. Even if the South had won the war they would have had to abolish slavery to be recognized as a nation by the big guys like England and France. There was a lot of racisms on both sides and half a million white people simply do not kill each other for the good of black people.

    That flag is not the flag of the Confederate States, but the battle flag of the army. General Lee who was the leader of the South army was himself opposed to slavery and he is the person most closely associated with the flag. He said it had been an error not to free the slaves before the war, because it prevented them from getting military support from other countries.

    I guess that flag is a bit like the Soviet flag. For different people it represents completely different views that can be either noble or evil. But I believe after many generation any symbol loses it's real meaning and becomes just a toy for anyone who uses it. I agree with STN; it may not have it's place on a government building, but it should not be banned for private use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halloween Mike View Post
    Never understood why American are still attached to this flag. They lost the war, they where for slavery... There is nothing glorious in that flag. Now selling Nazi flags is also fucked up...
    And your cccp sweater?

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    The war was about much more than slavery. I believe stars rights versus the federal government was a big reason for the war. Yes slavery was reprehensible but it was not the root cause of the war but the war made it easy for the federal government to ban slavery since the southern states were no longer represented in congress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsn4404 View Post
    And your cccp sweater?
    They won WW2, they stoped the nazis. How can you even compare those 2 flags?

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    Merlot, i will admit my knowledge of the American Civil War is limited, i would need to read more on this, but feel free to explain everything you want, im all curious about history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halloween Mike View Post
    Merlot, i will admit my knowledge of the American Civil War is limited, i would need to read more on this, but feel free to explain everything you want, im all curious about history.
    It may be better not to encourage me. I've read scads and scads of information and books on WWII and the American Civil War. I'm just trying to keep it to simple responses here. Suffice it to say I created my own extra credit research project with the professor's guidance and approval for extra credit I didn't need just to learn another dimension about the Antebellum period and all the issues. It was quite fascinating.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sol Tee Nutz View Post
    ...to try and have confederate sales stopped at the Calgary stampede is just wrong.
    Wrong if they are doing it to avoid losing sales. Right if it's about what they want to avoid representing. If a company/business doesn't want to be involved in promoting certain images it's their right to protect their brand if they believe it's necessary.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sol Tee Nutz View Post
    Why was all this left alone until recently? Someone just thought "...
    Because after the last bitter debate the right side found it did not have enough support. Besides that I think it had become somewhat of a faded lingering anachronism the majority may have felt was more harmless than harmful. The shooting changed all of that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sol Tee Nutz View Post
    Anyways, as long as I can continue to wear my lederhosen on the beach all is good.
    Thanks for the laugh. Ich liebe meine Lederhose. Nur echte Männer tragen es. (Only real men wear it). You know if I had seen the first sentence before looking it up I would have understood it.

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    How many millions of his own citizens do you think Stalin was responsible for killing? Think you might find it was on the same scale as hitler. And no I am not justifying the confederate flag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsn4404 View Post
    HM

    How many millions of his own citizens do you think Stalin was responsible for killing? Think you might find it was on the same scale as hitler. And no I am not justifying the confederate flag.
    This is up for debate and another subject completely. First of all the soviet union is more than Stalin himself, and no matter your point of view on the guy, you got to give props to the Red Army who fough and died during WW2, without them this war would had been very different, and with England on the verge of being defeated (ill give them props for fighting alone for that long tough) who knows if USA could had fough both the Nazis and the Japanese at the same time. Anyway the CCCP flag over he Reishtag in Berlin will always be one of the greatest moments in history, it meant the end of the Third Reich and nazi germany. And for that, i wear it proudly.
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    And that is different than someone displaying the confederate battle flag how?

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