Confederate flag banning.

[Sol Tee Nutz]

Because that idiot shot those people in the church

Best Regards

Smuler

Knew about the shooting but just read about the flag connection. Not much of an American historian but understand the confederate and slavery issues, still to bring the flag banning up again because the shooter was pictured with a confederate flag. I do understand the rebellion and slavery meaning to the flag but neither the gun or flag killed these people, bigotry and racism killed these people and that starts usually at home. Why not charge mom and dad or friends as accessory to the murders? Hope when he gets put in jail his recreational time is in a yard full of black inmates.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

Do you know what part of Germany your ancestors came from?

My dad was from a small town near Frankfurt and my mom from Berlin.

 

[Siocnarf]

True, but any way you cut it it was treason.

I don't think we can call it treason. ''Treason'' implies an unquestionable authority over someone. When a colony rebels against the King, or when a soldiers betrays his army it's an act of treason. The US was an union between equals that retained much of their own agency. The federal government's power was meant to be minimal.

The civil war was about states wanting to leave the Union. They joined a union of their own free will and figured it was their right to get out if they wanted to. If Quebec decides to leave Canada would that be an act of treason? No, because provinces are not underlings of the federal.

 

[daydreamer41]

Knew about the shooting but just read about the flag connection. Not much of an American historian but understand the confederate and slavery issues, still to bring the flag banning up again because the shooter was pictured with a confederate flag. I do understand the rebellion and slavery meaning to the flag but neither the gun or flag killed these people, bigotry and racism killed these people and that starts usually at home. Why not charge mom and dad or friends as accessory to the murders? Hope when he gets put in jail his recreational time is in a yard full of black inmates.

Dylan Roof will never get near the general population because he is a candidate for the Death Penalty.

Also, what is being misrepresented is the fact that he is a hard core racist. I have read about this guy and what has been reported in different secondary media is this young man has a lot of mental problems and is extremely immature. They interviewed a black friend of his and this friend said he was not a racist when he knew Roof. Whatever happened to Roof must have happened recently. Also reported was Roof was romantically interested in a young woman who spurned him and dated a black guy. This supposedly induced his anger and transposed it into this sick plot to murder black people.

But the media being what they are, wants to paint a picture of a young racist waving the Confederate flag. Yes he did align himself with such props, but his motivation was perverted and a result of an inability to handle rejection.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/dylann-roof-raged-black-guy-girl-report-article-1.2266378

http://blackamericaweb.com/2015/06/...riend-says-he-didnt-take-him-seriously-video/

 

[Kasey Jones]

The Supreme Court (even the current relatively liberal Court) would probably rule that the First Amendment prohibits a government from banning the private display of such symbols (though some governments in Europe do ban the private display of the swastika). You want to hang a Confederate battle flag from your front porch in the United States, go ahead.

I would view today's Supreme Court as more corporatist than liberal... just a minor quibble with what is otherwise an excellent post. Thanks for posting it.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

Whatever happened to Roof must have happened recently. Also reported was Roof was romantically interested in a young woman who spurned him and dated a black guy. This supposedly induced his anger and transposed it into this sick plot to murder black people.

I did a fair bit of searching before my last reply and did not find this..... Amazing how the media shapes things.

 

[jacep]

i use to watch dukes of hazard wen i was a kid & rember seeing john snieder & tom wopat in general lee & of corse daisy duke in her milion dollar legs. wasnt a fan perse of the show but watched it as a kid since theere was nothing on and most of my friends in school watched it

tv land pulls it from their lineup allso.

http://time.com/3944107/tv-land-dukes-of-hazzard-confederate-flag/

http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/tv-land-dukes-of-hazzard-confederate-flag-1201532627/

 

[daydreamer41]

I would view today's Supreme Court as more corporatist than liberal... just a minor quibble with what is otherwise an excellent post. Thanks for posting it.

Nonsense. The court is Anti-Federalist (anti-states' rights) and certainly is Liberal since Justices Anthony Kennedy and perhaps John Roberts have jumped to the other side in some very controversial rulings.

 

[daydreamer41]

i use to watch dukes of hazard wen i was a kid & rember seeing john snieder & tom wopat in general lee & of corse daisy duke in her milion dollar legs. wasnt a fan perse of the show but watched it as a kid since theere was nothing on and most of my friends in school watched it

tv land pulls it from their lineup allso.

http://time.com/3944107/tv-land-dukes-of-hazzard-confederate-flag/

http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/tv-land-dukes-of-hazzard-confederate-flag-1201532627/

Television and Corporations have made this the land of politically correct. e.g. the rush to punish Donald Trump for saying the obvious. Granted Trump is not a polished politician, but a shrewd businessman. What he says about illegal immigrants is true. Even if we were to need some of the many millions who have invaded our borders, there are many who are here for one purpose ... to commit crimes. The ignorance of current laws which allow enforcement of who comes across our border is criminal. I guarantee you if one of us from the US were to walk across the US Canada border and were caught the Canadian Border Patrol would charge us with Illegal entry and deport us after we did any sentence the courts would impose. Mexico would do the same. But here in the US, the Liberal heads of municipalities advertise that they are "Sanctuary" Cities and so they come and commit crimes. It is beyond sick.

 

[Kasey Jones]

Nonsense. The court is Anti-Federalist (anti-states' rights) and certainly is Liberal since Justices Anthony Kennedy and perhaps John Roberts have jumped to the other side in some very controversial rulings.

how do you explain Shelby, Citizen's United and Utility Air? None are decisions a "liberal" court would have made.

 

[daydreamer41]

how do you explain Shelby, Citizen's United and Utility Air? None are decisions a "liberal" court would have made.

In two of cases you mentioned, Kennedy sided with the more (as Roberts is seen breaking from tradition as late) traditional non-activist Justices. The other case was unanimous.

Citizen's United was about Free Speech. Corporations are made up of people and have the right to buy ads explaining their positions about issues. Private citizens have the right to buy ads explaining their positions. Kennedy swung with Roberts, Alito, Scalia, and Thomas.

Shelby vs Holder is where Kennedy joined Scalia, Thomas, Roberts and Alito to make a 5 to 4 decision. Kennedy swung to State's rights.

Utility Air Regulatory Group v. Environmental Protection Agency was a 9 to 0 decision. Gee, all 9 Justices agreed. Must have been a really bad case by the EPA.

 

[Kasey Jones]

In two of cases you mentioned, Kennedy sided with the more (as Roberts is seen breaking from tradition as late) traditional non-activist Justices. The other case was unanimous.

Citizen's United was about Free Speech. Corporations are made up of people and have the right to buy ads explaining their positions about issues. Private citizens have the right to buy ads explaining their positions. Kennedy swung with Roberts, Alito, Scalia, and Thomas.

Shelby vs Holder is where Kennedy joined Scalia, Thomas, Roberts and Alito to make a 5 to 4 decision. Kennedy swung to State's rights.

Utility Air Regulatory Group v. Environmental Protection Agency was a 9 to 0 decision. Gee, all 9 Justices agreed. Must have been a really bad case by the EPA.

lol... non-activist Justices... judges are activist when they make decisions conservatives disagree with. Citizen's United overturned 2 previous precedents as well as invalidating parts of campaign finance law. How is this any less "activist" than striking down state anti-gay marriage laws or upholding a federal insurance mandate? Where in the constitution does it say that corporations are people or that money equals speech? Conservatives say they favour judicial restraint... how does that square with striking down parts of the Voting Rights Act?

Anyways, telling me what the final vote counts in any of these cases was is irrelevant. Explain how a "Liberal" court would have come to any of these same conclusions? I would argue that a Liberal court would not have sided with Citizens and would more than likely not even have heard King for lack of standing of any of the plaintiffs. Perhaps the court is not more liberal, but hearing more conservative cases?

 

[Halloween Mike]

Ok i was too tired this morning to answer this, and i do not want to go point by point, it would be pointless anyway. But Merlot you show me exemple of pretty much any armies conquering... The american raped Japanese women, the German probably did the same to Russian while they invaded, in a set up of War there is al sorts of shit happening, no need to go as far as WW2, just think the US troops in irak/afghanistan and there you go...

As for ennemies at the gates, yeah its one of my favourite movie, and that movie is part of why i got so much into soviet russia. Sure they shot the soldier that turned around and wanted to retreat, thus the famous quote NO RETREAT COMRADES !!! (wich is one of my ring tone for text by the way )

You could give me 150 exemples of bad behavior of Soviet Russia and i could give you nearly as much on why i dislike half the countries i know in the world... Won't change my point of view.

To each its own, but comparing the flag of the Nazis to the one of the soviet is completely irrelevant to me. As much as the Confederate Flag.

Oh and since you somehow dismish the russian role to a degree, i hate that USA always get the best role when they actually entered the war very late, BECAUSE they where attacked by Japan. They could had join the war effort much sooner against a very evil ennemy. I think every country involved at its own merit, including Canada, but too often the blindness patriotism of the states make them believe they where the sole victor...

 

[hungry101]

They won WW2, they stoped the nazis. How can you even compare those 2 flags?

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Merlot, i will admit my knowledge of the American Civil War is limited, i would need to read more on this, but feel free to explain everything you want, im all curious about history.

Stailin and the Soviets killed millions and millions of civillians systematically. Here is a review of a book that was written recently about who killed more? Hitler or Stalin.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/mar/10/hitler-vs-stalin-who-killed-more/

Both murdering fucking bastards of Millions and Millions of people. The numbers are unfathomable...and yet you can buy their flags and the =flags of North Korea and Vietnam....but due to political correctness the new evil is the hetrosexual white male. We are lower than whale shit on the bottom of the ocean. The flag they are banning is the battle flag of Lee's Army of Northern Virgina. True, it never flew over those buildings. It was modified from the Stars and Bars because of fraticide. I am an Army of the Potomac fan so I guess i should hate the Southern Cross. But instead I have great respect for Robert E. Lee and his army of Northern Virgina and the aristocracy of the South. A sholess, underfed, outmanned and outgunned army that won nearly every battle but lost the war when the South was bled white. an Army where about 1% of the men owned slaves. Today it signifies states rights and the people that come from a region of our country known as the South.

Funny, we are seeing white guilt at an all time high. They decided to take the battle flag off the State Houses. They were erected in 1961 to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the American Civil War. Some say they were put there in oposition to the civil rights movement. OK, so take them down. I'm ok with this but automatically the self-loathing white do-gooders banned selling and manufacturing of the flag. Amazon and Wall Mart ban the battle flag. A company in Texas called Dixie Flag will not sell them because some people find them offensive. Could this be the people that are perpetually offended by everything? The people that feign being offended and yell and scream so they can get another handout from their Democratic political overlords? (Beats going to school and working or learning how to speak correct English anyway). Now you cannot even buy the battle flag at the Gettysburg gift shop. Now they have banned sitcom reruns of the Dukes of hazard and the coward Bubba Watson will repaint the General Lee. They are defacing monuments to the dead everywhere and threatening to dig up graves. The other day I saw a black mob with picks and shovels doing just this in Memphis.

This is like Mao's cultural revolution all over again. Chairmen Mao said that you have to destroy the history of those you intend to subjugate. This is what we see going on in the US with White Guilt and self-loathing at an all time high. They are erassing history

 

[hungry101]

Gentlemen,



I have never disputed to huge role played by the Russian forces. However, I object to anything that sounds like the manner in which that role was carried out was some sort of righteous crusade of good (Soviet Union) versus evil (Nazi Germany).

Exactly

Now let's not forget one little detail. In 1939 there was an inside conspiracy of German political leaders and generals to depose Hitler. When Stalin agreed to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact he gave Hitler carte blanche to take Poland and start World War II in Europe, thus giving Hitler great political prestige and power, the conspiracy against him fell apart. That means every drop of blood spilled in Europe and Africa is equally on Hitler's and Stalin's hands. So let's not paint this like the Russians were heroes of any sort. They went into this war to do the same thing Hitler wanted to do, take over as much as possible. The Russian mistake was to be betrayed by Hitler before they could betray him. If not for that there would have not been much difference at all.

Overall I think the fairest assessment is the Western Allies and the Soviets needed each other just as much.

truly,

Merlot

I agree but the Soviets did not just stand by idle. They attacked Poland from the East. In fact read No Greater Ally about the Poles in WWII and how they got fucked. Great book. The Soviets killed all the Polish officers at the Forest of Katyn and blamed it on the Germans for years. They rounded up all the teachers, political leaders, Policemen, even some kid because he was wearing a boy scout uniform and killed half and sent the rest to the gulag to be worked to death.