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    no dude, i'm waiting for the rockettes ... those fuckin' legs ...

    http://www.geg.ca/fr/show/event/3555

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    There was no advanced publicity of his visit. I am wondering how much it cost for a ticket and if the money raise went to charity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTA refugee View Post
    There was no advanced publicity of his visit. I am wondering how much it cost for a ticket and if the money raise went to charity?
    are you sure?
    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/st...lama-0422.html

    http://montreal.about.com/b/2009/09/...-confirmed.htm

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    I was there.

    As usual (I had seen him twice before yesterday), it was very interesting. His speech was mostly about compassion. The only thing that annoyed me a bit is that, on more than one occasion, he was quoting some scientific research without giving any specific details such as the source, etc.

    To answer GTA, yes, part of the money raised went to charity (more precisely for young Tibetan refugees in Dharamsala). And there must have been enough publicity because the Bell Center was almost sold out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariane Valmont View Post
    The only thing that annoyed me a bit is that, on more than one occasion, he was quoting some scientific research without giving any specific details such as the source, etc.
    the heart of his message is about the need for compassion in humanity, not societal statistics. you can trust his words or not. if you want to research his statistical claims feel free to do so. then you can decide yourself to what degree you believe in what he stands for.

    i have met him also. twice in california and once in india, all in a more personal setting. for myself it doesn't matter what statistics he brings forward during a tour of 'lectures', but rather, the example of living and caring he has set during his lifetime. that is what draws me to his beliefs. actions speak louder than words.

    ah mi tzou fu...

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnmbot View Post
    the heart of his message is about the need for compassion in humanity, not societal statistics. you can trust his words or not. if you want to research his statistical claims feel free to do so. then you can decide yourself to what degree you believe in what he stands for.

    i have met him also. twice in california and once in india, all in a more personal setting. for myself it doesn't matter what statistics he brings forward during a tour of 'lectures', but rather, the example of living and caring he has set during his lifetime. that is what draws me to his beliefs. actions speak louder than words.

    ah mi tzou fu...
    Listen... I've read several of his books. I've seen three of his conferences and almost cried each time. One of my dreams would be to go to Dharamsala. I think I can say that I'm a big fan.

    I do believe in what he stands for: I'm convinced that compassion and an open heart are key to happiness. He is a man of exceptional wisdom and he is a beautiful symbol of peace. But he is still a human being and, just like anyone else, can make mistakes.

    No matter who you are, if you're going to justify your point of view by quoting scientific experiments, you should make the effort to explain the context and cite your sources. If you don't, it has little credibility and therefore is pretty much useless. You might as well stick to opinions if you can't present complete facts.

    And by the way... Having great respect for someone doesn't mean having blind faith in anything they tell you. Didn't the Buddha himself say:

    "Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it."

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    Stats are so easy to check these days with the internet. If the Dalai Lama started to give the source of everything he spoke of, he would start to sound like George Bush. The heart of his philosophy is to do no evil. I recently heard on the radio a talk show host misquote something the Dalai Lama said. This talk sho hos said that the Dalai Lama said that it is carma that people were killed in the Philippines. It is the western misunderstanding of what carma realy is. What the Dalai Lama was saying is that there is a bigger scheme of things and is is destiny that people dies in the Philippines. Not that they were bad people and a big Tsunami came and killed them.

    Ariane,

    I would be interested to know what he said that was not backed up with the source, and BTW the source could also be wrong. Not that I am saying that this is so in this case.

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    Some of the stuff he said about homosexuals, sex, and "karma" hardly sounds compassionate to me. Why does he get a free pass because he spouts asinine nonsense buried in a grand message of compassion when any other public figure saying the same crap would be crucified? Maybe he missed a step or two on his path to enlightenment...

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    What did he say about Homosexuals and sex? Maybe YOU can enlighten us.
    When he talks about Karma, the Dalai Lama is talking about destiny in the bigger scheme of things as it relates to mankind and not one person in particular, Buddhist believe that when a person is born he already has a destiny. That is not to say that you do not have a choice in the direction you take. This is a simple example. I know a guy that was born into wealth and he had all the opportunities and priveledges that came with wealth. Yet he became a drug addicted broken man. I seem to remember a story in the news about athe daughter of a newspaper and publishing magnate that was also drug addicted and did deperate things to get money for drugs. So this is a story that has repeated itself many times. There are also stories where a person born poor and makes good and rises above the poverty he was born into.
    BTW, I do not think there is another religeous leader, whether he be Jewish, Christian, Hindu or Muslim that endorses homosexuality.
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    GTA, I never mentionned statistics. John did. I talked about credible sources.

    Two examples:

    1- he talked about an experiment that took place where a group of baby monkeys were separated from their mom while another group stayed with their mother. The group that was deprived of maternal care became agressive, the little monkeys were constantly fighting with each other, etc. And, you guessed it, the group that was with their mom were better adjusted and a lot more peaceful.

    Now... When and where did that experiment take place? Who was involved? What was the exact scientific goal? He didn`t say.

    2- he talked about a scientist who once told him that some research had shown that people who use more often than others the words ``I``, ``my``, ``mine`` were more proned to heart problems.

    Again, where did that come from? How did they arrive to that conclusion? What was the bases of the experiment?

    Anyone who has just a little bit of a logical and analytic mind will want to have those details to evaluate for themselves the relevance of those experiments.

    JustBob, tu me pardonneras de te répondre en français mais ce serait trop ardu pour moi de m`exprimer en anglais à ce sujet.

    Le Dalaï-Lama, aussi sage soit-il, représente une religion vieille de 2500 ans. Es-tu vraiment étonné de savoir que certaines de ses pensées sont rétrogrades?

    Cela dit, tout comme GTA, je serais très curieuse de savoir sur quoi tu te bases lorsque tu te permets d`être si sévère à son égard. Personnellement, je n`ai jamais lu ou entendu de propos haineux ou méprisants de la part du Dalaï-Lama. Si ta source se nomme Richard Martineau (il a justement mentionné les trois sujets dont tu parles lors de son émission sensationnaliste à LCN, sans révéler ses sources lui non plus bien entendu), tu devrais réviser à qui tu accordes de la crédibilité.

    La religion bouddhiste, comme presque toute religion, voit d`un mauvais oeil les comportements sexuels qui sont adoptés dans un but autre que de procréer. Le Dalaï-Lama ne condamne pas les libertins, les homosexuels, les gens qui se masturbent, etc. Il mérite selon lui une grande compassion, au même titre que tout être humain. Cependant, il croit que ce genre de moeurs sexuelles ``légères`` peuvent affecter le karma des personnes concernées. Oui, c`est complètement dépassé et naïf comme vision des choses. Mais on parle ici d`un homme qui se veut une icône sacrée du bouddhisme tibétain, un moine qui a consacré sa vie à la religion et qui connaît peu de choses des relations amoureuses et charellis. Penses-tu vraiment qu`il est dans une position pour renier les textes écrits par le Bouddha lui-même?

    Comme je le disais à John, le Dalaï-Lama n`est qu`un homme, avec ses forces et ses faiblesses. Malgré le fait qu`il soit doté d`une bonté extraordinaire, ça ne l`empêche pas de manquer de discernement par moment. Mais il reste qu`en cette époque d`individualisme et de compétitivité, le message d`amour qu`il porte est rafraîchissant, inspirant et rempli d`espoir.

    Et soit dit en passant... Ce qu`il essaie de transmettre au monde, c`est avant tout la nécessité d`éprouver de la compassion pour les autres. Lorsqu`il offre ses diverses conférences, entrevues et même à travers ses livres ``grand public``, il ne fait pas la morale aux gens en leur disant que s`ils font ceci ou cela, ils auront un mauvais karma. Il ne tient pas le rôle de juge. Tout ce qu`il tente d`imprégner aux gens qui croisent son chemin est le lien inébranlable qu`il y a entre le bonheur et la compassion. Si ses propres croyances font en sorte qu`il est convaincu, par exemple, qu`il est néfaste d`avoir des relations sexuelles en dehors du mariage, c`est son choix! Tant qu`il ne veut pas nous imposer ce genre de convictions désuètes, je ne vois pas où est le problème.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariane Valmont View Post

    1- he talked about an experiment that took place where a group of baby monkeys were separated from their mom while another group stayed with their mother. The group that was deprived of maternal care became agressive, the little monkeys were constantly fighting with each other, etc. And, you guessed it, the group that was with their mom were better adjusted and a lot more peaceful.

    Now... When and where did that experiment take place? Who was involved? What was the exact scientific goal? He didn't say.

    2- he talked about a scientist who once told him that some research had shown that people who use more often than others the words "I", "my", "mine" were more proned to heart problems.

    Again, where did that come from? How did they arrive to that conclusion? What was the bases of the experiment?


    On point 1,

    I can give you a credible source, me. .................and you. I have seen early on in my life that the people that did not have mothers and fathers around, or their parents did not care for them, or allowed the kids to do as they pleased raised children that were not well adjusted and then grew up to be not well adjusted adults. As far as doing experiments with animals. I have done my own experiments...............no, I am not a mad scientist! I do have a cat, and she has had several litters of kittens. I keep these kittens with the mother cat at least 3 months, and then find good homes for them. The people that I give the kittens to tell me that because I keep them with the mother cat for more than the recommended 6 weeks, they get loving well adjusted loving cats. I know of a woman that took a kitten from some people when the kitten was only 4 weeks old, that cat is not very freindly, scratches up the house and craps all over the place. There are experiences early in your life that can enhance or traumatise you. I know a man that has done well for himself, yet he keeps his basement stocked like a grocery store because when he was a child there days when there was no food to feed his family, because of the anguish he felt when he did not eat when he was young kepping a large quantity of food around comforts him.

    On point 2,

    We all know the Me, Myself and I type of people. I know a few myself, they are controlling people that are always out for themselves. A person that is frustrated often will have more heart problems than a person that is content. Selfish people are setting themselves up for disappointment if they do not acheive their narcissistic goals.


    Ariane,

    The experiements are happening all around us, it is being repeated many times, I have seen and experienced them myself. Do you see that point one and point two are somewhat related? People that are deprived, rejected and disappointed especialy early in life may become narcissistic, selfish and angry.
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    GTA, my dear, I think you're missing the point.

    I am very capable of making those deductions myself. But if someone, anyone, tells me about a scientific experiment, I want to have hard facts that have been proven by a serious and rigorous method, not opinions. Isn't it the whole point of doing a scientific research??
    Last edited by Ariane Valmont; 10-06-2009 at 09:57 AM.
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    Some things must be taken on faith......................................................




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    Looks like some of you are big fans of the Dalai but it seems you're missing the essential point of everything he is about ... ??!! no ?

    For me, somehow I would see him with Bobby McFerrin on the same stage.

    Anyway ! I knew about his visit and got tickets but I couldn't make it since I was too tired from the night before. What a night !!!!

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