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If that was correct the US wouldn't be asking Ukraine to sign a mineral rights deal as payback for what to date has been Money For Nothing, as Mark Knopfler once memorably sang.
There you go they want mineral rights.
Money for nothing, I thought the US was the worlds police protecting the innocent and Democracy, turns out nah they want Ukraines rare minerals.
Like I said the US like any other powerful country medals in everyone’s affairs for one reason to maintain power.

As far as money for nothing, no it wasn’t for nothing, there were many millionaires created and existing ones made richer by selling and getting rid of old military equipment and obtaining grants to replace it with the latest generation.
This was to help Ukraine lol.
 

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There you go they want mineral rights.
Money for nothing, I thought the US was the worlds police protecting the innocent and Democracy, turns out nah they want Ukraines rare minerals.
Like I said the US like any other powerful country medals in everyone’s affairs for one reason to maintain power.

As far as money for nothing, no it wasn’t for nothing, there were many millionaires created and existing ones made richer by selling and getting rid of old military equipment and obtaining grants to replace it with the latest generation.
This was to help Ukraine lol.
But under Biden there was no mineral rights deal, it was Money for Nothing (except maybe for what quietly slipped into Biden and his son's own pockets).. Trump got elected and said "fuck this Money for Nothing shit, we are not the guys moving refrigerators in the Dire Straits video, and if Ukraine thinks we are the moving refrigerators guys, they really have another think coming."

Meanwhile Trump read Zelensky's letter of apology aloud and said he appreciated it.
Some of the posters in this thread really need to pay attention to what is going on in the world. Peace is very close while under Biden's leadership what did we have? Lots of Ukrainian body bags, lots of Russian body bags. Every Biden apologist posting in this thread should be forced to speak to the families of those dead and explain their views on Biden and how he was so terrific of a leader. I would pay cash to watch that spectacle. Meanwhile, we are on a course towards peace and mineral rights as repayment for World Policeman duties. Win-win.
 
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But under Biden there was no mineral rights deal, it was Money for Nothing (except maybe for what quietly slipped into Biden and his son's own pockets).. Trump got elected and said "fuck this Money for Nothing shit, we are not the guys moving refrigerators in the Dire Straits video, and if Ukraine thinks we are the moving refrigerators guys, they really have another think coming."

Meanwhile Trump read Zelensky's letter of apology aloud and said he appreciated it.
Some of the posters in this thread really need to pay attention to what is going on in the world. Peace is very close while under Biden's leadership what did we have? Lots of Ukrainian body bags, lots of Russian body bags. Every Biden apologist posting in this thread should be forced to speak to the families of those dead and explain their views on Biden and how he was so terrific of a leader. I would pay cash to watch that spectacle. Meanwhile, we are on a course towards peace and mineral rights as repayment for World Policeman duties. Win-win.
I will agree with you that relinquishing mineral rights is a small price to pay to end the killing of innocent young men women and children on both sides.
My point was simply that the US is not the kind hearted protector you make them out to be.
They are as ruthless and power hungry as all the more powerful countries.
Again the unfortunate thing is that all these innocent people have to die while a scumbag murderous dictator, an egotistical crook, and a prancing beggar clown hold their lives in their hands and play ego games.

Yes Biden was an incompetent pussy who lacked respect and nobody feared him and he did nothing to end this war.
He was probably the worst and most ineffective President the US will ever have, he was just a mindless puppet being manipulated by scumbags behind the scene.
 
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Everyone behaves like US isolationist foreign policy and not wanting to intervene and spend money on European problems is some radical departure for the US, and/or morally wrong. In point of historical fact, that was exactly the US foreign policy from the end of World War I until Pearl Harbor Day, December 7, 1941, when the United States was attacked. What happened in those intervening 23 years? Europe, or I should say the collected European nations, and the UK and France in particular, did a piss poor job maintaining law and order.

I do not think Trump is exactly alone in his belief that the United States should not be acting as the world's policeman when it is not being paid shit to do so. Many of the things Trump is saying out loud have infuriated American taxpayers for a long time.

Now all of that being said, I do undertstand the dilemma that Zelensky and European allies both face. Zelensky could have handled the meeting with Trump and Vance a hundred different ways that were better than the way he did, and he seems to have acknowledged this himself:
I understand Zelensky was in a difficult situation, but figure out a way to handle it. To me I am in similar situations all the time, when I go to Court and face a hostile Judge asking me aggressive questions. Zelensky is an advocate for the Ukrainian people. I am just an advocate for some client, but I am there to advocate the best I can under hostile fire and usually facing legal impediments and obstacles that must be hurdled. I understand I sometimes have to take artillery fire (or the in Court equivalent of it), deflect it, respond to it, sometimes dissect it, question it, or distinguish it. But one thing I cannot do, no matter what, is go on the attack and start attacking the Judge, who might very well be throwing me a life raft as my ship is sinking. I have had life rafts thrown my way, and in fact, I just got one from the Appellate Court on a ship that did sink.

As Minuteman said, Zelensky is not a private person. He cannot look like a pussy, nor can he look like the dog that is biting the hand that feeds him, or worse yet like he s trying to take food off the giver's own dinner table. Instead, he must dance around the giving of such appearances, whatever way he can. And he did not do a very good job of it. But this is what a politician's job is.

As far as the Europeans stepping up to the plate and rendering aid to Ukraine, does anyone really believe that they have done much more than sit back and let the US do the heavy lifting? This ingracious attitude has been pissing off many Americans for many years, going back to World War II, going back to my own relatives and family members who fought in those conflicts. The US ended up getting involved in World War II because of dramatic diplomatic, political and military failures by the European countries which were a combination of incompetence and indifference. And I think a lot of Americans, especially those in the military, look at Europe and they do not believe anything has changed. There is a dependence on the US to do what is necessary to maintain law, order and peace. While some Americans believe that there is a moral imperative for the US to do so, and believe in the concept of the righteous World Policeman, others feel that there is an inherent inequity in a situation in which one country is supplying, at significant cost, military weapons and technology, intelligence, manpower, and aid, and getting nothing in return except a half hearted "thank you" for what is out and out 100% pure charity, care of the American taxpayers. I am merely saying that this is what many believe, and they feel it has to stop and Europe needs to finally put on the Big Boy pants it has never worn in the last 2 centuries.

So you agree with me. The US is tired and pissed to have to pay the bill to 'maintain' world order. To buy 'peace' here and there. I put these words in quotes because doing so was also always for their benefit down the road.

The US will now save a lot of money by stopping their contribution worldwide. Will that mean we will not have to walk over homeless people under a smell of piss in all major American cities soon? No dude the American will do as usual, make it easy for the millionaires and billionaires and piss on poor and middle class.

As for worldwide peace, we will now have to rely on China. It might be much better; who knows?
 

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Looks like the above Reuter news exclusive had bad sources or was fake news to F the markets.
It was posted March 4 morning.
EXACTLY when the NASDAQ PUMPED UP 450 points intraday.
The Mineral deal did not happen.
MOFO's manipulating markets with crap news eh?
Nice daytrade though.
NASDAQ opens 380 points down BUT US treasury bonds down?
Something was fishy so I bought QQQ for a daytrade and boy it went up fast.
Reuter insiders probably made a shitload of cash.
Of course NOW the link goes to a different article.
They DELETED the original article 1984 style.
 

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Trump: Zelensky Is A Pain In The Ass

Which is perfectly understandable. Ukraine has been attacked for what, 3 years now? Then comes a 'peacekeeper' that publicly said he wants to take Greenland and the Panama Canal by force if need be...

I would be much more pain in the ass if I were sitting on billions and billions of natural resource in front of a racist pig like Trump.
 
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Which is perfectly understandable. Ukraine has been attacked for what, 3 years now? Then comes a 'peacekeeper' that publicly said he wants to take Greenland and the Panama Canal by force if need be...

I would be much more pain in the ass if I were sitting on billions and billions of natural resource in front of a racist pig like Trump.
I think you are misunderstanding what the root issue is. From all that I have read, what is upsetting US officials is Zelensky's sense of entitlement to aid from the US and international community. So let me ask you a question: when the United States was attacked by Japan at Pearl Harbor and the best battleships in its Navy were sunk and over 2,000 military and civilians were murdered, was it "entitled" to aid from any other country? Did it receive aid from any other country? Were replacement battleships sent for the ones that were sunk? Or was the US left to its own devices?

The point is that when one country is attacked it is not necessarily entitled to anything at all from any other country. It is true that the NATO alliance exists, but Ukraine is not a member of NATO. There is no duty by the US or any European country or Canada to do shit for Ukraine, just like nobody had any duty to do anything, nor did do anything directly to aid the US after Pearl Harbor.

When you consider this, Zelensky's demands and sense of entitlement can reasonably be viewed as a source of annoyance. And we are not just talking about Trump but others in his administration who view Zelensky of having am irritating sense of entitlement.

FWIW I think Putin is also entitled and his sense of entitlement started the war in the first place. But we are where we are now and a path has to be forged forward. And to act like Zelensky is a fault free angel in this matter I think is not appropriate.
 
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I think you are misunderstanding what the root issue is. From all that I have read, what is upsetting US officials is Zelensky's sense of entitlement to aid from the US and international community. So let me ask you a question: when the United States was attacked by Japan at Pearl Harbor and its best battleships in its Navy were sunk and over 2,000 military and civilians were murdered, was it "entitled" to aid from any other country? Did it receive aid from any other country? Were replacement battleships sent for the ones that were sunk? Or was the US left to its own devices?

The point is that when one country is attacked it is not necessarily entitled to anything at all from any other country. It is true that the NATO alliance exists, but Ukraine is not a member of NATO. There is no duty by the US or any European country or Canada to do shit for Ukraine, just like nobody had any duty to do anything, nor did do anything directly to aid the US after Pearl Harbor.

When you consider this, Zelensky's demands and sense of entitlement can reasonably be viewed as a source of annoyance. And we are not just talking about Trump but others in his administration who view Zelensky of having am irritating sense of entitlement.

FWIW I think Putin is also entitled and his sense of entitlement started the war in the first place. But we are where we are now and a path has to be forged forward. And to act like Zelensky is a fault free angel in this matter I think is not appropriate.

In case you don't remember, Canada and European countries were in war since 1939 ! Almost all other countries were at war.
 
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I think you are misunderstanding what the root issue is. From all that I have read, what is upsetting US officials is Zelensky's sense of entitlement to aid from the US and international community. So let me ask you a question: when the United States was attacked by Japan at Pearl Harbor and its best battleships in its Navy were sunk and over 2,000 military and civilians were murdered, was it "entitled" to aid from any other country? Did it receive aid from any other country? Were replacement battleships sent for the ones that were sunk? Or was the US left to its own devices?

The point is that when one country is attacked it is not necessarily entitled to anything at all from any other country. It is true that the NATO alliance exists, but Ukraine is not a member of NATO. There is no duty by the US or any European country or Canada to do shit for Ukraine, just like nobody had any duty to do anything, nor did do anything directly to aid the US after Pearl Harbor.

When you consider this, Zelensky's demands and sense of entitlement can reasonably be viewed as a source of annoyance. And we are not just talking about Trump but others in his administration who view Zelensky of having am irritating sense of entitlement.

FWIW I think Putin is also entitled and his sense of entitlement started the war in the first place. But we are where we are now and a path has to be forged forward. And to act like Zelensky is a fault free angel in this matter I think is not appropriate.

You are trying to make sense out of something that does not. Trump is crazy. It's impossible to negotiate with a psychopath like Trump.

In a sense, Trump is like a woman. You know with women, what you said at Aunt Elma's birthday 3 years ago might influence if you will have sex tonight! :) (This is just a joke to illustrate my point; I love women anyhow.)

p.s. Do you know the only time NATO activated article 5 to come to the help of a nation? The only time. It was after 2001 September 11. To be there for the USA.
 
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Crazy stuff.

Trump turns off Ukraine missiles

......"a serious blow for Kyiv" that will hinder "its ability to deploy long-range drone strikes effectively".
"US turns screw" is the headline in the Sun. It says America has hinted it will reverse the measure if Ukraine signs a mineral deal to pay back billions in military aid.

I guess that is called "The Art of the Deal" hehe
That ever elusive "Mineral deal"...
 
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