70 k/a salary: alot of money?
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Somalia
Egypt
Guatemala
Afghanistan
Kenya
Mexico
Israel
Greece
Colombia
Yemen
Sudan
etc.
Hope all is well inside your walled village, dude.
Gentlemen,
First, I have no intention to get involved in the details of this argument you are fighting about.
It all depends how narrowly or broadly you look at it. Every country and society has big ups and downs as the decades pass, or within decades, and you can always look at one country or a region on one or a few issues during a period and say it was a happier or better time back then and it's worse now. But overall worldwide it's simply irrefutable regarding all areas of concern that the human race is generally better off since World War II or even since the end of the "Cold War" than any time in it's history. If you don't see that then I would say you haven't been a student of broad detailed world history and really don't have the broad perspective needed to make a definitive statement or provide and informed opinion. .
You certainly can make a point about gross conditions in many countries and specific monstrous tragedies. But because most people usually know plenty about their own lives and little about how human being lived in the past, especially the long past before their own lives, it's easy to look at current troubles that weigh on them, and get nostalgic about the past. Never has so many had as much access to good medicines and health, access to social, political, and legal redress, technological advances of every kind, etc, etc, etc.
I certainly agree with many details Rumples and JSB have cited. But to take that and say conclusively the world is worse than before...well what do you mean by..."before". Comparing some close decades you might be able to make a point some things are worse. Comparing issues over a short time, same thing. But if any one thing speaks to the trend in the human condition it's life expectancy, and that trend cannot be denied.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005140.html
Now I'm sure everyone has a pet ax (axes) to grind. Just remember there's a lot more to consider than your big anxieties of what's wrong. It's called all those things that are going right.
Cheers,
Merlot
First, I have no intention to get involved in the details of this argument you are fighting about.
It all depends how narrowly or broadly you look at it. Every country and society has big ups and downs as the decades pass, or within decades, and you can always look at one country or a region on one or a few issues during a period and say it was a happier or better time back then and it's worse now. But overall worldwide it's simply irrefutable regarding all areas of concern that the human race is generally better off since World War II or even since the end of the "Cold War" than any time in it's history. If you don't see that then I would say you haven't been a student of broad detailed world history and really don't have the broad perspective needed to make a definitive statement or provide and informed opinion. .
You certainly can make a point about gross conditions in many countries and specific monstrous tragedies. But because most people usually know plenty about their own lives and little about how human being lived in the past, especially the long past before their own lives, it's easy to look at current troubles that weigh on them, and get nostalgic about the past. Never has so many had as much access to good medicines and health, access to social, political, and legal redress, technological advances of every kind, etc, etc, etc.
I certainly agree with many details Rumples and JSB have cited. But to take that and say conclusively the world is worse than before...well what do you mean by..."before". Comparing some close decades you might be able to make a point some things are worse. Comparing issues over a short time, same thing. But if any one thing speaks to the trend in the human condition it's life expectancy, and that trend cannot be denied.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005140.html
Now I'm sure everyone has a pet ax (axes) to grind. Just remember there's a lot more to consider than your big anxieties of what's wrong. It's called all those things that are going right.
Cheers,
Merlot
Merlot, my point was not about life expectancy or about the general quality of life on Planet Earth, both of which are, I suspect, at all time highs. Certainly I consider myself among the luckiest people who have ever walked the Earth. On the other hand, we live on a planet which might very well be uninhabitable within the next few generations.
My point was about the growing disparity of wealth in North America which is at a level not known since before the Great Depression.
My point was about the growing disparity of wealth in North America which is at a level not known since before the Great Depression.
Hello Rumps,
As I said, I agree with this statement. It's a grave danger signal, and not a new one. Historically it's happened many times and it's always been a critical signal of great social, political, and economic danger looming. It's far from the only grave danger as you mentioned.
Damn. I'm going to run for male sweetheart of the year.
Cheers,
Merlot
Ok then we will compare apples with apples in 1981 I bought my first bungalow in St Eustache,brand new ,8000sq feet,street corner,garage,field stone facade,finished basement for 44000$ How much do you think the same bungalow sells for today? Maybe around 450k,so we are back at square one ,its not only the plateau
Take a look at this site on the plateau ranging from 6000$ a month to 400$ a month http://location.duproprio.com/index...ltats&pr=1&re=6&cat=residentiel&tri=prix_desc
What I was saying is that today property access for young people is very very expensive!
Take a look at this site on the plateau ranging from 6000$ a month to 400$ a month http://location.duproprio.com/index...ltats&pr=1&re=6&cat=residentiel&tri=prix_desc
What I was saying is that today property access for young people is very very expensive!
Most people get firewalled into their views. Period. Not just politcs. Diet, weightlifting, a whole lot of areas I am not aware of no doubt.
There are exceptions and you can find them everywhere on the political spectrum. People who don't shoehorn all evidence into their prefered outcome. Authors who are willing to admit that their position can be argued from another position in a legitimate factor. Who will bring up counter arguements even if they have no way to address them. It is very possible to disagree for the right reasons. People have different preferecnes after all. I'd rather discuss with such a person even if I disagree with them as opposed to someone I agree with but who doesn't have a clue. It isn't that you can learn more from someone who you disagree with. I've had pointless debates in real life that were pointless because even though we disagreed we knew where the other person was coming from and were informed enough of the issues that we learn nothing new and could have just debated with ourselves. The advantage of discussion with such a person is that you don't get that anoying face palm moments that you do with people who agree with you from a position of ignorance. Or at least I get that face palming "I sure hope you don't try to convince other people because you just make us look bad" type reaction. Nothing worse than talking to someone, first thinking you found a kindred spirit and then coming to the sad realization that their positions come from a position of deep ignorance. Well I suppose cancer, prison gang rape, Justin Bieber or the holocaust are worst, but still.
But thats just me. I am a bit of a freak.
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