Labor shortage: 10 agencies listing today, zero escorts 18-21 years old.

TooSexy4MyCat said:

I still don't understand why people pay for Onlyfans. There is so much free porn of all types on the internet.

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Well, the same could be said about porn site subscriptions. When you break down their advertised revenues, its not too hard to figure out that they are generating ~2000-4000 daily transactions (signups and renewals, minus cancellations) which is really a tiny % of actual global porn traffic which is about 30% of global internet traffic. I don't watch a lot of porn myself, but I have paid here and there over the years just because I didn't want to have to spend time looking for something specifc. My guess would be that repeat buyers seek something more than just quick relief without the fear of getting hacked, viruses or constant ads. The same way I pay for Youtube premium, etc.

Also, the younger generations are comfortable paying subscriptions or tips on streaming sites because they see it as supporting creators they like rather than just spending money to some faceless corporation. They value access and community over ownership, and enjoy feeling part of a group with perks like badges or shoutouts. Growing up with apps, games, and services that use micro-transactions has made this kind of spending feel normal and frankly quite efficient. And honestly, I think its great that creators can actually get a larger piece of the pie based on their efforts instead of having to payoff multiple levels of intermediates that aren't as comitted as they are.

I often hear people complain how its so expensive to have so many subscriptions for their media. But when I calculate how I would spend 100-300 monthly on video rentals, buying cds/dvds... when you convert that to Today's value that's about 300-500+ /month. As for that feeling of ownernership... well, it didn't feel great when I donated my entire collection to Renaissance after years of staring at it just gathering dust or having to move it.

Just like sex.. sometimes it just makes sense to rent.

I don't think you guys realize how hard it actually is, no matter how hot someone is, to make money on OF. Maybe 10 years ago camming was a good way to make money, and maybe when OF just started existing you could get a following and make a lot of money on it.. Now it really isn't. In order for people to make money on OF they have to have a huge online following already, they have to be influencers.. A lot of the really successful new OF girls are influencers who went that route and were already really famous online. You have to have a lot of equipment, people to collaborate with, constantly find new ideas etc.

Also, this is probably going to not be an opinion that makes people happy, but I don't think it's a bad thing that a 18-20 year old girl chooses to do online sex work instead of in person. I know people who started at that age and I understand why they did it and I respect it.. I also am not judging anyone for deciding to see someone even if she's young so please don't interpret it that way. But at 18-21 years old, in my opinion, you are not mature enough or knowledgeable enough about power dynamics and human interactions to navigate this industry properly.

I think it's also kinda funny to say it doesn't make sense to pay for onlyfans because ''free porn is available online''. I get it, I watch a lot of pirated movies and I have played video games and used software for free, but at the same time the creators who make this content deserve to be compensated for their work. I'm not a huge fan of OF as a company but at least the fact that it exists gives creators the possibility to run their own business.. As a consumer I find it important to support artists and creators I like.. You can get anything for free. But I think with OF you get to see a creator's own personal work as opposed to seeing them in somebody else's movie

As for older providers being jealous.. I do agree there's a lot of jealousy in the industry but I don't feel jealous of very young women who are in this situation, I actually feel concerned for them and want them to be safe. I know many others feel the same way. I don't think it's true that the younger you are in the industry the more successful you are.. Maybe when you're new you can rely on that factor for a bit, but in order to succeed long term you need to develop other skills than just being hot and young. I do a lot of duos with younger providers and I've never felt threatened, I actually was glad I could network and both younger and older escorts helped me and gave me resources

I don’t see why people have a problem with OF. You are not forced to subscribe or watch.
The ladies that offer this put a lot of work into it so why shouldn’t they be compensated for it.
Personally I don’t care for porn, for me you have seen one you have seen them all. I don’t get a kick out of watching other people fuck nor do nudes interest me. A lady in a short tight black cocktail dress with heels is much more sexy.
I much prefer to see a lady in person.

Fradi said:

I don’t see why people have a problem with OF. You are not forced to subscribe or watch.

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I don’t think the issue is OF itself in this thread, it’s the shift from in-person sex work to online monetization. Younger people already live on these platforms, so the jump to paid content isn’t a big stretch from a skillset pov, it’s just monetizing habits they already have. The difference now is they get to choose who they engage with, which makes it far more efficient (and safer), but it also locks out people who’d normally have a shot at access in the real world. That’s what really seems to bother some folks, the control shifted sides and it would seem that some people really aren't happy about that... they basically got priced out at the second level.

There will always be escorts for in person meetings. The reason being OFs means showing your face and not all girls want to be out there. Many girls who continue to work as escorts is because they want it to be discreet. They do not want family or friends to know.

neverbored said:

I don’t think the issue is OF itself in this thread, it’s the shift from in-person sex work to online monetization. Younger people already live on these platforms, so the jump to paid content isn’t a big stretch from a skillset pov, it’s just monetizing habits they already have. The difference now is they get to choose who they engage with, which makes it far more efficient (and safer), but it also locks out people who’d normally have a shot at access in the real world. That’s what really seems to bother some folks, the control shifted sides and it would seem that some people really aren't happy about that... they basically got priced out at the second level.

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Yeah or the likes of Lil tay that made the news because she waited for her 18th birthday to make her OF official.

CLOUD 500 said:

There will always be escorts for in person meetings. The reason being OFs means showing your face and not all girls want to be out there. Many girls who continue to work as escorts is because they want it to be discreet. They do not want family or friends to know.

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Not sure about that. there are girls that make a killing without showing their face - its just much harder. Granted, it only takes a tatoo for a politician to get recognized. I think its just the speed to profitability/effort.
No matter what, the fastest way without any tech knowledge is to be an escort. She can make money within the week if not sooner if she really wants to. Online... takes knowledge, time and effort.
As for why girls do both, I've always assumed is because neither one allows them to reach their finiancial goal. How many times have seen girls say they retire, attempt their shot to online riches and return to in-person? Some will say "oh I really like escorting"... I call bs on that. I think its just because it wasn't paying fast enough. I don't blame them.

I agree with Lunaseraphim and neverbored, here: it’s just as difficult to be successful on OnlyFans as it is on Twitch. Building a community from scratch, entertaining it with a constant stream of fresh new content, interacting with it on a daily basis, eventually hiring a team of editors, mods and talent to perform with you… it’s definitely a full time job! If anyone goes in thinking it’ll just be a simple way to make quick easy bucks, they’re in for a surprise!

I’m sure someone will come out of the woodwork with an example of an overnight success story, but those are rare exceptions, not the norm.

And at the end of the day, we all know girls who used to be escorts, quit the industry and had the luxury to move on to other jobs outside of sex work with their privacy intact and no one knowing. Try doing THAT with porn or OnlyFans…

neverbored said:

I don’t think the issue is OF itself in this thread, it’s the shift from in-person sex work to online monetization. Younger people already live on these platforms, so the jump to paid content isn’t a big stretch from a skillset pov, it’s just monetizing habits they already have. The difference now is they get to choose who they engage with, which makes it far more efficient (and safer), but it also locks out people who’d normally have a shot at access in the real world. That’s what really seems to bother some folks, the control shifted sides and it would seem that some people really aren't happy about that... they basically got priced out at the second level.

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I understand it and it makes sense the way you are saying it.
I am just not interested in anything else except meeting the lady in person.
For now I can still afford to see who ever I want to see within reason and the ones I do see are amazing, so it is all good.

neverbored said:

Not sure about that. there are girls that make a killing without showing their face - its just much harder. Granted, it only takes a tatoo for a politician to get recognized. I think its just the speed to profitability/effort.
No matter what, the fastest way without any tech knowledge is to be an escort. She can make money within the week if not sooner if she really wants to. Online... takes knowledge, time and effort.
As for why girls do both, I've always assumed is because neither one allows them to reach their finiancial goal. How many times have seen girls say they retire, attempt their shot to online riches and return to in-person? Some will say "oh I really like escorting"... I call bs on that. I think its just because it wasn't paying fast enough. I don't blame them.

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There probably are girls who make a lot of money on onlyfans without showing their faces but it's very rare. It's also very hard for girls on onlyfans to make money just by doing solo content and not doing anything hardcore. I personally prefer in person work even if it's technically not as safe. I don't want all these people to have access to vulnerable images of me online even if I'm face out as an escort. It's also a different game.. I prefer being around another human being than talking to someone online

Lunaseraphim said:

There probably are girls who make a lot of money on onlyfans without showing their faces but it's very rare. It's also very hard for girls on onlyfans to make money just by doing solo content and not doing anything hardcore. I personally prefer in person work even if it's technically not as safe. I don't want all these people to have access to vulnerable images of me online even if I'm face out as an escort. It's also a different game.. I prefer being around another human being than talking to someone online

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fair enough... so are you saying that no amounts of money online would ever stop you from being an escort ?

neverbored said:

fair enough... so are you saying that no amounts of money online would ever stop you from being an escort ?

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No I'm not honestly. That's not what my point is at all. There just isn't enough money available online to make it worthwhile for me to stop escorting and I know the vast majority of women are in the same boat in this industry. 15 years ago you could actually make a good living just from being a cam girl. That isn't the case anymore and I think that's why this discourse about all attractive women leaving the industry to do online stuff is kinda silly... That was way before OF was even a thing. Back then as a cam girl you could fully make money just doing solo stuff... On OF you are expected to be a full blown porn star and collaborate with all these people.

What I'm saying is that this isn't what the reality of the market is right now. It's not true that these women can easily make a ton of money online. It hasn't been true for years.. even when I entered the industry almost 4 years ago I was told that the internet wasn't a good option and could be only be an overly tedious side hustle.. now you have all these celebrities and influencers making money on these platforms who ultimately don't really need that extra income as bad as other women do. It's just another marketing tactic to them and they make it seem like it's easy to make money just from nudes and lingerie shots.. they are making money from their celebrity status more than sex work

You, me, any one of us are much more likely to pay for a b list celebrity account than from some random hot girl from Montreal

I think another thing people have to come to terms with is that standards have changed and mentalities have evolved. Maybe skinny 18 year olds who look like children were what was considered hot 15-20 years ago. Now MILF types and curvy women are more popular.. It's possible that the mentality has changed and agencies and spas don't try to cater to that fantasy anymore. A girl who looks young at 27 may have been branded as a 18 year old 5 years ago, it happened to some of my colleagues. I've met people who were in their mid 30's when they worked for spas and agencies, and they were branded as if they were in their early 20's. Maybe now these establishments aren't trying to pretend their employees are all so young because clients don't really want to pretend they're fucking 19 year olds anymore.

Same thing ''why strip club employees are all so fat and old''.. They are not fat. It's just that the standards have changed. I've worked at a parlor before where my body type was really NOT popular. Clients thought I was too skinny and not curvy enough and girls with big boobs and big butts and who where more ''thick'' made way more money, specially with men under a certain age.

Lunaseraphim said:

Same thing ''why strip club employees are all so fat and old''.. They are not fat. It's just that the standards have changed. I've worked at a parlor before where my body type was really NOT popular. Clients thought I was too skinny and not curvy enough and girls with big boobs and big butts and who where more ''thick'' made way more money, specially with men under a certain age.

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I tend to agree: I believe it’s a generational thing.

Tons of guys in their 40s (and even early 50s) grew up fantasizing on 90’s celebrities / models / pornstars. Kate Moss, Christy Turlington, Naomi Cambell… Thin was the epitome of sexy. Even looking healthy was considered overweight. Just google "Renée Zelweger as Bridget Jones" and remember that she was considered as looking "fat" in that movie!

Long story short, it should come as no surprise if johns in their 40’s complain that younger girls no longer seem quite as interested in fitting their outdated standards.

And, for the record, that includes me!

GreyPilgrim said:

I tend to agree: I believe it’s a generational thing.

Tons of guys in their 40s (and even early 50s) grew up fantasizing on 90’s celebrities / models / pornstars. Kate Moss, Christy Turlington, Naomi Cambell… Thin was the epitome of sexy. Even looking healthy was considered overweight. Just google "Renée Zelweger as Bridget Jones" and remember that she was considered as looking "fat" in that movie!

Long story short, it should come as no surprise if johns in their 40’s complain that younger girls no longer seem quite as interested in fitting their outdated standards.

And, for the record, that includes me!

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I'd argue that the guys who complain about this tend to be even older than 45 most of the time.. I think it's about mentality. It says a lot when the beauty standard means you have to do a lot of drugs and starve yourself to correspond to it. Somebody who isn't Kate Moss skinny, isn't fat. Growing up I and all of my friends had an eating disorder, I even know girls who died from it or were hospitalized several times for years and even decades. Idk, I don't wanna go back to that! I wonder why! I'm not saying it's bad to think thin women are attractive lol Or I'd lose all of my clients. I just think it's nice that there's more diversity now.

Let's be honest, it is a positive development, at a societal level, that 18-21 are  not entering sex work.

AnthonyAnderson said:

Let's be honest, it is a positive development, at a societal level, that 18-21 are  not entering sex work.

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I’d agree if that was actually the case, but I don’t think it is. They’re not disappearing from sex work, they just shifted into different sectors within. If anything, the industry feels bigger than ever, just spread across more places. The only real upside is that a lot of them may have more control now over who they deal with and what actually happens.

neverbored said:

I’d agree if that was actually the case, but I don’t think it is. They’re not disappearing from sex work, they just shifted into different sectors within. If anything, the industry feels bigger than ever, just spread across more places. The only real upside is that a lot of them may have more control now over who they deal with and what actually happens.

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I'll rephrase my last comment because I'm not sure it was carefully read by everyone. Sure the industry is bigger, there are different avenues to choose from, but they are not all lucrative like they used to be. If I had a sister or cousin or niece who was joining the industry and was that age I would much rather they do OF or camming rather than escorting, because it's simply safer emotionally, physically and mentally. I still think it's not really a the large source of income all of you think it is, and honestly, these images stay online forever which is a huge disadvantage..

A lot of young women join OF because they think they will make big bucks and have a good quality of life but that's not really what ends up happening generally in this day and age. A lot of younger people I know tried camming and onlyfans around that age and it helped them survive but the money they made didn't even cover all their bills, wasn't worth the stigma and was nowhere near what a fssw or stripper would make. Sugar dating also doesn't bring the revenue people think it does. So if someone around that age tries another form of sex work than escorting and realizes there isn't that much money in it, soon enough that person will realize it's not worth it.

I think a lot of people from the younger generation are a lot more risk averse because of the pandemic and other factors. People under 27 smoke and drink less than people from any generation. Casual sex among younger people also apparently has gone down. Times are changing. (And also the 18 year olds you were seeing 6 years ago might have been 24 in reality.. who knows)