What happend to the scene in Montreal?

I don't have the same frame of reference bc I've only been seeing providers for a year and a half (and almost only indies) but Montreal has the best provider:rate ratio of any city in Canada. It's sometimes comparable in Halifax or Victoria, but almost no where else has companions of this calibre at the rates they charge. There's tiers of prices in every city but well-reviewed providers here are $150-250 per HOUR less than in the GTA/Vancouver/Alberta.

I visit MTL and have waayy more sex (and other things, ofc) with companions for way longer than anywhere 2 hours out of Toronto. We all have limits of what we're comfortable spending and for what type of service, and I'm more-than-comfortable in MTL.

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I don't have the same frame of reference bc I've only been seeing providers for a year and a half (and almost only indies) but Montreal has the best provider:rate ratio of any city in Canada. It's sometimes comparable in Halifax or Victoria, but almost no where else has companions of this calibre at the rates they charge. There's tiers of prices in every city but well-reviewed providers here are $150-250 per HOUR less than in the GTA/Vancouver/Alberta.

I visit MTL and have waayy more sex (and other things, ofc) with companions for way longer than anywhere 2 hours out of Toronto. We all have limits of what we're comfortable spending and for what type of service, and I'm more-than-comfortable in MTL.

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You compare apples to oranges. Montreal has a lower cost of living compared to Toronto and Vancouver so it makes sense the rates there will be higher. The only thing is rates has bridged the gap between Montreal and the other cities. Also Indy rates are similar either way maybe with $150 difference. If you go to poorer countries your money will go a lot further.

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You compare apples to oranges. Montreal has a lower cost of living compared to Toronto and Vancouver so it makes sense the rates there will be higher. The only thing is rates has bridged the gap between Montreal and the other cities. Also Indy rates are similar either way maybe with $150 difference. If you go to poorer countries your money will go a lot further.

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I'm comparing women to, well, women. The OP was what happened to the scene in MTL in comparison to other cities in the world he's found better providers at radically lower rates. My POV is only recent and nationally-based, so it's each cities provider quality and their corresponding rates, and again, it's MTL > the rest. For me, anyway.

envelopes said:

better flip? like FS or just a better HE?

i haven't been to Rabbit hall. but HE places like that all over Prague, probably like 20+. angels (i think they closed down) was the best i visited. aura, black diamond, but they're all basically just Nuru MTL... with better decor,, but the service is about the same.

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Hi,

You can get daty, dfk, cbj, just no fs. Plus a selection of fetishes like strapon, golden showers, bdsm.
I had the best non FS experience with a girl named Karolina.

Just telling in Quebec city too prices are something else that they use to be but the main thing is that it varies a lot from one woman to the other and even in the same agency. Sometime for same service it's 160-200 up to 300+ and no matter if it's a good or bad , new or experience woman. Hard to follow at time

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Just telling in Quebec city too prices are something else that they use to be but the main thing is that it varies a lot from one woman to the other and even in the same agency. Sometime for same service it's 160-200 up to 300+ and no matter if it's a good or bad , new or experience woman. Hard to follow at time

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The asking price is subjective to the SP's reality. Some might not be interested in doing this unless a certain price point is met and can afford to wait. Others may want multiple bookings and will settle for lower price point to increase demand and guarantee revenue.

Always comes down to offer and demand. Same applies to any other type of professional work, such as lawyers or accountants.

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I don't have the same frame of reference bc I've only been seeing providers for a year and a half (and almost only indies) but Montreal has the best provider:rate ratio of any city in Canada. It's sometimes comparable in Halifax or Victoria, but almost no where else has companions of this calibre at the rates they charge. There's tiers of prices in every city but well-reviewed providers here are $150-250 per HOUR less than in the GTA/Vancouver/Alberta.

I visit MTL and have waayy more sex (and other things, ofc) with companions for way longer than anywhere 2 hours out of Toronto. We all have limits of what we're comfortable spending and for what type of service, and I'm more-than-comfortable in MTL.

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This is incomplete, and not completely accurate. While it's true that agency and indy providers cost a bit more in Vancouver than in Montreal, Vancouver has an asian micro scene that simply doesn't exist in Montreal. So, while apples to apples may fall as you say, you can also buy peaches at the market in Vancouver where there none in Montreal at all. The level and variety of services in MPs in Vancouver tends to be higher as well. That to say that there are lower and lower-middle options in Vancouver that aren't available in Montreal at all, and without having to resort to LL, at a lower price. The only impacting variable is that this lower and lower-middle scene is very heavily skewed towards asian providers, so if that's not your thing then that may be a barrier for you. Montreal does not have the best rates in Canada. However, depending on what type of service you're looking for Montreal may have the best VALUE in Canada, which isn't the same thing.

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However, depending on what type of service you're looking for Montreal may have the best VALUE in Canada, which isn't the same thing.

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twenty4seven said:

I don't have the same frame of reference bc I've only been seeing providers for a year and a half (and almost only indies) but Montreal has the best provider:rate ratio of any city in Canada.

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It's quite literally what I wrote. I made it clear what my frame of reference is. I don't see lower/middle-lower providers and agencies and clearly bigger cities will have more options but that's obvious. We're disagreeing for disagreements sake on here.

Why do rates even matter if quality service/experience is disregarded? There's prob someone who will suck your dick for $5 if you look hard enough, but who the fuck cares and why should that even factor in the conversation?

Anyway, convince yourselves that everywhere else is better (now?), clearly that's the goal of this thread, and I'll just be over here planning my next trip to Montreal.

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It's quite literally what I wrote. I made it clear what my frame of reference is. I don't see lower/middle-lower providers and agencies and clearly bigger cities will have more options but that's obvious. We're disagreeing for disagreements sake on here.

Why do rates even matter if quality service/experience is disregarded? There's prob someone who will suck your dick for $5 if you look hard enough, but who the fuck cares and why should that even factor in the conversation?

Anyway, convince yourselves that everywhere else is better (now?), clearly that's the goal of this thread, and I'll just be over here planning my next trip to Montreal.

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You misunderstand, I think. What I said what that where Montreal offers options A and B Vancouver offers options A,B and C. I agreed with you on the comparison between options A and B. What I said specifically was that Vancouver offers an option C not available in Montreal and that the price point for that is lower. I also stated specifically that for the Options A and B that Montreal may offer better value, again agreeing with you. Where I differ from you is that you said that Montreal offers the best provider rate ratio. It absolutely does not. It doesn't have the larger volume of providers compared to some other Canadian cities and it doesn't offer the lowest price point options. As for quality and rates the two things do not automatically go hand in hand, and you might be surprised at the quality of service sometimes available from lower priced options, but the service options may be different as well. You have stated that you have only been seeing providers for a short time and almost exclusively indies. There's no judgment in that, but were you to sample a broader range of the options available your opinion might not change but your perspective might.

As far as places being better than Montreal that's a subjective judgment based on each individual's preferences and comfort zone. Whichever place makes you happiest is the best place regardless of what anyone else thinks. What I was saying was not a critique of the place, but a commentary on the available services that I believe you left out. Whether that matters to anyone else or nor is their choice but the info should be available even if if it doesn't align with your personal preferences (you say you don't see lower and lower/mid options) because the thread is for everybody. There's truly no reason for you to get mad about it.

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You misunderstand, I think. What I said what that where Montreal offers options A and B Vancouver offers options A,B and C. I agreed with you on the comparison between options A and B. What I said specifically was that Vancouver offers an option C not available in Montreal and that the price point for that is lower. I also stated specifically that for the Options A and B that Montreal may offer better value, again agreeing with you. Where I differ from you is that you said that Montreal offers the best provider rate ratio. It absolutely does not. It doesn't have the larger volume of providers compared to some other Canadian cities and it doesn't offer the lowest price point options. As for quality and rates the two things do not automatically go hand in hand, and you might be surprised at the quality of service sometimes available from lower priced options, but the service options may be different as well. You have stated that you have only been seeing providers for a short time and almost exclusively indies. There's no judgment in that, but were you to sample a broader range of the options available your opinion might not change but your perspective might.

As far as places being better than Montreal that's a subjective judgment based on each individual's preferences and comfort zone. Whichever place makes you happiest is the best place regardless of what anyone else thinks. What I was saying was not a critique of the place, but a commentary on the available services that I believe you left out. Whether that matters to anyone else or nor is their choice but the info should be available even if if it doesn't align with your personal preferences (you say you don't see lower and lower/mid options) because the thread is for everybody. There's truly no reason for you to get mad about it.

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Not mad, confused. You reply to me specifically saying

urquell said:

depending on what type of service you're looking for Montreal may have the best VALUE in Canada

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which is, to the word, what I said. Value = Benefit/Price. Or, in this context, Provider Service/Rate. Now it's

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you said that Montreal offers the best provider rate ratio. It absolutely does not.

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These are the same thing but now "it absolutely doesn't."

I've seen providers (incl 'type C Asian providers') all over this country, in their home cities, and these are my observations. Based on what kind of service I'm looking for Montreal has the best VALUE in Canada, we agree on that (or maybe now we don't, again confusion). I don't need to see every provider from the buck-a-blow to the highest echelon of provider to have an opinion on this and I won't be swayed by the journeymen here that have been around the world trying to fuck on the cheap.

Now where is my Montreal Tourism Board sponsorship?!

I'm a Cartesian type of guy and would need numbers with comparison in an Excel spreadsheet to be convinced rather than just words ...

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Value = Benefit/Price. Or, in this context, Provider Service/Rate.

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These are the same thing

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No they're not, at least in my eyes and that's probably why were at cross purposes in the chat because our definitions don't align. In my mind price isn't the only factor defining value, although price is a factor certainly. In my mind value is a comparison between what you contribute vs. what you receive, which I now completely understand that you've defined as price vs. the service offering. High value could be received at any price point, be it high or low. It may also depend on a number of other factors not tied to rate. I admit to being a bit of an outlier here because I don't play in the regular system, so perhaps it's less relevant to the group generally. You may be correct for the group at large because it's a greater factor for them than it is for me. All of the people I see have a similar price point, offer the same services, and generally perform at a similar level, but don't all offer the same value. That's probably another more lengthy discussion for another time.

Once again, I agree with you about value in the areas to which the categories correspond. The only thing I pointed out was that there were extra categories not present in Montreal. Whether you like them or not is immaterial. They come at a lower price point. That's all I was saying. Those extra categories are completely outside the comparison of Montreal's value because they don't exist here. If they don't matter to you then they don't and that's fine. I'm just recognizing that they exist.

As for people who travel around the world if you think that the only reason to do so is because it's cheaper then you'd be wrong. In some cases they're more expensive. Up until now we'd been limiting our conversation to Canada, and within Canada Montreal is a pretty good place to play, but if you're going to open it up to the rest of the world as well then within that sphere Montreal is a strictly bush league destination, with a service offering that is anemic and borderline pathetic compared to some other places. It's true that there are a number of places that are cheaper, in fact most places are, but the greatest contributing factor to popularity isn't price, it's the service offering, and also often the ability to freely circulate with and interact with others who monger as well, a freedom which generally doesn't exist here at all. I say this as one of the "journeymen" that you've disparaged, since I actually know what I'm talking about when I say it. Having said all of that, I'm absolutely not shitting on your love of Montreal. As I said earlier the best place is the one that makes you happiest, and if my home town is what does that for you then welcome, and enjoy. I'm not one to gainsay anyone's happiness or how he chooses to spend his time or his money.

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No they're not, at least in my eyes and that's probably why were at cross purposes in the chat because our definitions don't align. In my mind price isn't the only factor defining value, although price is a factor certainly. In my mind value is a comparison between what you contribute vs. what you receive, which I now completely understand that you've defined as price vs. the service offering. High value could be received at any price point, be it high or low. It may also depend on a number of other factors not tied to rate. I admit to being a bit of an outlier here because I don't play in the regular system, so perhaps it's less relevant to the group generally. You may be correct for the group at large because it's a greater factor for them than it is for me. All of the people I see have a similar price point, offer the same services, and generally perform at a similar level, but don't all offer the same value. That's probably another more lengthy discussion for another time.

Once again, I agree with you about value in the areas to which the categories correspond. The only thing I pointed out was that there were extra categories not present in Montreal. Whether you like them or not is immaterial. They come at a lower price point. That's all I was saying. Those extra categories are completely outside the comparison of Montreal's value because they don't exist here. If they don't matter to you then they don't and that's fine. I'm just recognizing that they exist.

As for people who travel around the world if you think that the only reason to do so is because it's cheaper then you'd be wrong. In some cases they're more expensive. Up until now we'd been limiting our conversation to Canada, and within Canada Montreal is a pretty good place to play, but if you're going to open it up to the rest of the world as well then within that sphere Montreal is a strictly bush league destination, with a service offering that is anemic and borderline pathetic compared to some other places. It's true that there are a number of places that are cheaper, in fact most places are, but the greatest contributing factor to popularity isn't price, it's the service offering, and also often the ability to freely circulate with and interact with others who monger as well, a freedom which generally doesn't exist here at all. I say this as one of the "journeymen" that you've disparaged, since I actually know what I'm talking about when I say it. Having said all of that, I'm absolutely not shitting on your love of Montreal. As I said earlier the best place is the one that makes you happiest, and if my home town is what does that for you then welcome, and enjoy. I'm not one to gainsay anyone's happiness or how he chooses to spend his time or his money.

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I think you want to organize a merb meetup. Lol

Also doing some quick searches it does not appear as if other places are superior in rates or service.

Comparing Montreal FS with Czech MPs is not apples to apples. It seems that Czech FS providers range between 170 euro to 300+ ($270 cdn is 167 euro). The providers doesn’t seem to be much different though there are some that may or may not be catfishes that look like Victoria Secret models in face and body, but they are also 300 - 400 euro plus.

The main differences seem to be what is local. Spain has Spanish and Latin American women. Germany and Czech has local and Eastern European women. Russia has Russian and central Asian women. Thailand has Thai women. Latin America has Latin American women.

The only major real big difference may be are German FKK clubs that is unique and Thailand/Japan has BJ bars for just that. I’m not sure.

Hmmm… said:

I think you want to organize a merb meetup. Lol

Also doing some quick searches it does not appear as if other places are superior in rates or service.

Comparing Montreal FS with Czech MPs is not apples to apples. It seems that Czech FS providers range between 170 euro to 300+ ($270 cdn is 167 euro). The providers doesn’t seem to be much different though there are some that may or may not be catfishes that look like Victoria Secret models in face and body, but they are also 300 - 400 euro plus.

The main differences seem to be what is local. Spain has Spanish and Latin American women. Germany and Czech has local and Eastern European women. Russia has Russian and central Asian women. Thailand has Thai women. Latin America has Latin American women.

The only major real big difference may be are German FKK clubs that is unique and Thailand/Japan has BJ bars for just that. I’m not sure.

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Lol. No, not looking to organize a MERB meetup, thanks very much!

Still, people either overlook the benefit or undervalue it at times. It's something that people don't think about unless they experience it. Mongering in North America is a pretty solitary and at times lonely pastime. In other places that's not so. Imagine a bar full of hundreds of people where every man in there is a monger. Imagine 50 bars like that in a row. Imagine that the hotel you're staying at is full of no one except mongers. You can hear discussions about girls over bacon and eggs. You can turn to the guy next to you in a bar, who you've never seen in your life before, and have an open conversation about anything related to hobbying that you like, completely openly and without judgment. There's a surprising amount of guys that are just bursting to have someone to talk to about it but who simply can't at home. It's very liberating. It also allows you to form friendship circles around like-minded people that you can continue to engage with all year long, or travel with if you like. It's a big benefit.

As far as your service comparisons go I think you'll need to explore a bit more. You're comparing Montreal escorts to Czech MP girls and MPs are a totally different animal to an escort encounter. MPs are pretty much universally timed encounters no matter where you are, although some are more flexible than others and include different services than others. Indy providers offer extremely different services though. If you went to Latin America, for example, you could sit in a bar or hotel over food and drinks for hours with a girl before even taking a step towards the bedroom, and then she would very likely be with you for all night or most of the night for a price that isn't based on time but rather on an encounter, and generally speaking no acronym negotiations. When you talked about bars you were talking about FKKs vs Thai bars (BJ bars are really a very very small percentage of the available venues) and they're really completely different things, that themselves are totally different from indy bars, that are different from MPs that are different from brothels (although to be fair a lot of MPs really are brothels). I can assure you that the differences are not limited to the ethnicity of the girls. There's a such a large variety of styles and experiences related to venues alone that I couldn't begin to describe them here. Montreal doesn't have any. As far as rates go you didn't dig deep enough. Montreal is relatively cheap for NA, but maybe on par with or a bit more than European destinations and much, much more expensive than Latin American, Asian and African destinations (barring places like Hong Kong and Japan etc which are very pricey indeed)

What Montreal does have is a multilingual, multicultural group of people, including the available girls. There is a degree of diversity that's absent from many places. The culture, food and spoken languages are familiar and comfortable for NA mongers. Montreal is an interesting city with lots of things to do outside of chasing girls. The mongering experience is fairly standard and easy to understand and booking people online from a distance is easier and more reliable than in many other places (although online stuff is virtually unused in some places because it's not needed) Travel to Montreal may be easier and may not involve crossing borders. Many people have the ability to combine business trips and fun if they come here. There's a lot of advantages to coming to Montreal, but it's a pretty narrow slice compared to some other locations. Still, language, safety (or perception of safety) and culture familiarity are really important for some people and if that's the case then Montreal is a pretty desirable destination.

Variety of styles and experiences? What are you talking about? Missionary with an Italian while I eat spaghetti off her stomach? Duo with a Swiss girl and Swiss cheese? Cosplay of girls in Lord of the Rings elf cosplay? Mass orgies during mass?

Talking about variety, a quick guide to that Top 10 sex destination in Asia

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Variety of styles and experiences? What are you talking about? Missionary with an Italian while I eat spaghetti off her stomach? Duo with a Swiss girl and Swiss cheese? Cosplay of girls in Lord of the Rings elf cosplay? Mass orgies during mass?

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Well, I won't speak to the food experiences, but cosplay sex bars are definitely on the table, as are the mass orgies. Honestly, you're making fun of what I was saying without really understanding it or having any knowledge of it. My actual answer to your question could be pages long, literally, but no one wants to read that, and I want to try to answer you without sounding like a longwinded pedantic dick while I'm doing it (and probably failing), but yes, a variety of experiences. In Montreal for all intents and purposes you have the option of seeing an escort (agency or indy) or going to an MP. There are no real public avenues for mongers to explore beyond the strip clubs, and while many things may be available in underground venues they may not all be generally accessible or cater to the Average Joe. The framework for these encounters is pretty standard, generally has a time factor involved and usually only the details of the individual interaction changes. That still leaves room for a variety of things because people are infinitely variable.

Stepping outside of NA is very different. There are MPs that fit 100's pf people in large multi floor buildings, there are ground zero indy bars, there are open air sex clubs, there are floating bar sex clubs, strip clubs with on premise FS facilities, BJ bars, ocean floating sex bars, beer bars and pool bars where the girls are all on the menu, go-go bars, shemale bars, entire city neighbourhoods devoted to nothing but sex, limousine pick up service at the airport with girls included for sex on the way to the hotel, sex hotels, sex casinos, Hotels that are mongers only with girl bars downstairs, beach destinations with hotel pools and FS hotel staff, beach companions, city guide escorts, duo clubs, dungeon clubs, soapy massages, steam and sauna MPs, escort beauty pageants, etc etc etc and the list goes on and on. All of these are easily accessible public places. I've been to every single one of the things I've just listed except for the Dungeon clubs (and I have been to a semi-dungeon club) and more besides. I'm not even including the variety of food, cultural, ethnic and linguistic differences that add spice.

All of this to say that it's a big wide world out there, that the way that we do things here isn't the only way to do things, and that while you can indulge your preferences in the way you like best that you should at least be aware of those differences.

"JustinFlation"

EastWind said:

Pre-Covid. Within a week or even less you have a list. +10 you want to see. You may not see all of them but you will get to see the ones you want to see.

Post Covid. You are still making that list. Since 2023. LOL.

Time to look at other cities. Like Toronto. Especially if you have an Equinox All-Access membership.

Back in the early to mid 2000s. Oh those days was like walking into a candy store. https://www.sexwork.com/montreal/spreadsheet.html Life Changing.

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omg i have not seen that spreadsheet in a really long time... The work that must have gone into it! I don't remember who was responsible for it. So glad it is still accessible, it is like a historical document, really!

I notice there is NOT ONE mention of a massage parlour in that very exaustive list. That is where a big chunk of the industry has moved to. And towards independants because of the internet giving the ability for self marketing. I personally don't think OF has had a big impact. Of has more of an impact on the local porn industry.

Europe is probably much better just because of population density/size and liberal laws, which I wish we had more of here. To all you Trudeau-haters out there, let's not forget the Harper Conservatives put in our current stupid sex work laws.

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Well, I won't speak to the food experiences, but cosplay sex bars are definitely on the table, as are the mass orgies. Honestly, you're making fun of what I was saying without really understanding it or having any knowledge of it. My actual answer to your question could be pages long, literally, but no one wants to read that, and I want to try to answer you without sounding like a longwinded pedantic dick while I'm doing it (and probably failing), but yes, a variety of experiences. In Montreal for all intents and purposes you have the option of seeing an escort (agency or indy) or going to an MP. There are no real public avenues for mongers to explore beyond the strip clubs, and while many things may be available in underground venues they may not all be generally accessible or cater to the Average Joe. The framework for these encounters is pretty standard, generally has a time factor involved and usually only the details of the individual interaction changes. That still leaves room for a variety of things because people are infinitely variable.

Stepping outside of NA is very different. There are MPs that fit 100's pf people in large multi floor buildings, there are ground zero indy bars, there are open air sex clubs, there are floating bar sex clubs, strip clubs with on premise FS facilities, BJ bars, ocean floating sex bars, beer bars and pool bars where the girls are all on the menu, go-go bars, shemale bars, entire city neighbourhoods devoted to nothing but sex, limousine pick up service at the airport with girls included for sex on the way to the hotel, sex hotels, sex casinos, Hotels that are mongers only with girl bars downstairs, beach destinations with hotel pools and FS hotel staff, beach companions, city guide escorts, duo clubs, dungeon clubs, soapy massages, steam and sauna MPs, escort beauty pageants, etc etc etc and the list goes on and on. All of these are easily accessible public places. I've been to every single one of the things I've just listed except for the Dungeon clubs (and I have been to a semi-dungeon club) and more besides. I'm not even including the variety of food, cultural, ethnic and linguistic differences that add spice.

All of this to say that it's a big wide world out there, that the way that we do things here isn't the only way to do things, and that while you can indulge your preferences in the way you like best that you should at least be aware of those differences.

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I would assume some of these are in countries where sex and nudity is not as taboo. I would see how these could extend from normal entertainment venues. I mean you hear some of the top electronic music clubs like Kitkat or Berghain in Berlin, it's not unusual for people to straight be having sex on the dance floor. And in Finland, apparently it's "unhygienic" to go to a sauna with clothes on and people go to mixed gender saunas. I think one of my friends said that when she was working at an accounting office in Finland, the entire office went to the sauna..together. She refused because she didn't want to see her female boss naked or the rest of the office naked. Also, I'm wondering if some of these are just girls who would accept being propositioned? In NA there are models esp amateur models who do tours shooting with photographers in various cities including boudoir and implied nude shoots, but there's a strict line in not going beyond photography or even touching them to pose them. I was talking to one Brazilian provider who had really great photographs and asked her about them. Apparently from her, a lot of photography models in Brazil are what she called "whores". I bit shocking terminology, but okay I guess.

Well Montreal unlike most strip clubs in the US apparently allow touching, and from one provider who was an ex stripper said that clubs don't control what the girls outside the club and a lot are indys. Also apparently, there are clubs where it's common to have "accidents" (actual term was French that I don't remember) in the private room. And even in MTL, I think I've definitely seen indy ads post city tour escorts, but you would have to book like 24 hours and pay thousands per social hour and escort hour.

I'm suspecting that your neighborhoods and go-go bars that you are talking about are more in Asia like Philippines or Thailand or Latin America rather than Europe. I've only heard of Germany with Pascha being a multistory brothel hotel.