“High risk” Gentlemen/Ladies and health concerns of the sex industry

[DeltaMike]

Personnally, I don't understand what is so thrilling about unsafe sex. The risks outweigh the fun by 100000x! As I was saying on another thread, it's like a restaurant that would advertise unlimited salmonella for only $2.99 extra! Who would go there? Can a burger be that good?

Or buy a coffee and get a chance to win listeriosis... "Roll-up the LIP to win" as Tim Horton would say.

 

[Porter]

Just reading up on this post, I could not resist the urge to respond, even if I am reviving an old post.

Tracy,

Is some one going to tell me that they use a condom with their wife? I don't think so. That is why you are married to the person. Same difference. How do I know your wife is clean?

I do not know where to begin, first I do not think (nor hope) that people marry for wanting BBFS!!!

For one thing there are many SP's whom are coming form the porn industry where BBFS and BBAS is rampant. No one seems to point out the obvious!

Now the trick questions.

How many SP's working today have some sort of STD including Herpes Simplex 2 ?

How many clients have STD an partake in the biz ?


Until we start doing blood work before an encounter, we will always have this risk lingering around.

You can mitigate part of it, you can differ some of it, but ultimately a portion of the risk remains. Now how we handle this risk , well that's an individual choice and everyone has an opinion.

While I understand the cries form the workers, I also understand the cries from the client.

Hope that common sense prevails

 

[naughtylady]

I'd also like to see a poll among sps & johns where we could get an assessment of merbites that have been married, are presently attached (gf, bf or spouse) and another poll where an estimate of workers & clients who currently have an std of some type....and another where either worker or client wound up getting an std through this business. I'm not stupid enough to believe that the majority of these people use condoms when having sex with their better half. I'm willing to bet that the numbers would astonish many in that they're much higher than what we're led to believe.

I did a research project for university (study available upon request WARNING: it is about 50 pgs) on this topic. About 50% are married or otherwise attached. This is based not only on my study but on others' research as well.

Ronnie,
Naughtylady

 

[hornypilgrim]

from my experience

with more than half dozen local gf - everything's bareback, even from the first date/get-go. First time when the lady reached down, grabbed it and just stuck it in bare-back, I was sacred stiff for the next 3 weeks.... I have since found out that's just the way it is.

For somebody to be shocked that guys & girl go bare-back in private, I wonder which planet he/she is from.

 

[naughtylady]

with more than half dozen local gf - everything's bareback, even from the first date/get-go. First time when the lady reached down, grabbed it and just stuck it in bare-back, I was sacred stiff for the next 3 weeks.... I have since found out that's just the way it is.

For somebody to be shocked that guys & girl go bare-back in private, I wonder which planet he/she is from.

It is still a stupid thing to do. Not paying cash up front doesn't offer any protection from STIs.

Ronnie,
Naughtylady

 

[Regular Guy]

Is there a kind of morality to it?

This is why decriminalization and regulation are the only way to go. At least with institutionalization there is a fighting chance to mandate testing.

One of the scariest things is SP's coming back or visiting from other cities where drugs and disease are raging. News reports and documentaries on the scene in Vancouver are downright frightening. And I just wonder how many hobbiests or SP's got tested, got the shots or even, God forbid, the death sentence, then just quietly faded from the scene unknown to all whom he/she had contact with.

But again it's all about money. Some might question why they should care about someone else when it's a product they are paying for. But when you share such an intimate act with someone and are not at least moved to appreciate them for it and protect them then what does that say about you? Maybe already dead inside?
If we really think about it, it might not be such a stretch. after all.

Just a postscript here. Was thinking about those guys diagnosed with aids who set about deliberately trying to infect as many ladies as they could. If I remember correctly they got charged with attempted murder. Pretty cold blooded.

 

[Secret_Admirer]

When I share s with you, I would appreciate if I could enjoy it with Gentlemen who ALWAYS practice safe sex!

Sorry Cloe, not trying to be difficult but I don`t understand if the gentleman is unsafe with you (having ), then how do you expect or trust him to practice safe sex with all the others (his girlfriends, other SPs, etc.) except you If I misunderstood I apologize, please clarify it. I am sure we all agree that is not a safe sex practice.

 

[naughtylady]

Sorry Cloe, not trying to be difficult but I don`t understand if the gentleman is unsafe with you (having ), then how do you expect or trust him to practice safe sex with all the others (his girlfriends, other SPs, etc.) except you If I misunderstood I apologize, please clarify it. I am sure we all agree that is not a safe sex practice.

For the man is considered a low risk activity.

Ronnie,
Naughtylady

 

[Secret_Admirer]

For the man is considered a low risk activity.

Ronnie,
Naughtylady

There has been reported cases of HIV transmission from woman to man via . The teeth scratching in combination with bleeding gums does the job and hence it is not low risk as pre-existing cuts or sores are not necessary for transmission (the teeth do the task instead) like Daty or DFK which there is only a theoretical risk of transmission (and no reported cases).

This is part of the article related to and HIV transmission
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Possible Transmission of HIV Between Heterosexual Partners as a Result of Oral Intercourse

There are several reported cases in the literature of women who acquired HIV infection after performing oral sex on their seropositive male partner (receptive fellatio).

Cases of infection in men following oral sex with their female partners have been reported, including one in which a man was apparently infected through fellatio involving a prostitute.

In a study of 741 MSM in the Netherlands, orogenital contact was identified as an independent risk for HIV acquisition, although this result was not statistically significant.
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If you want to read the entire paper, the following is the attached link. This is the best research paper I have found on the risk of HIV transmission for various sex acts.

http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/epiu-aepi/epi_update_may_04/13-eng.php

 

[comegetsomenuky]

Thanks for the info but the evidence still suggestthat the risk is low

Ok there are limits to these type of studies as stated in the report (not enough statistical power, undereport, population etc...) but the evidence seems from the litterature review support the guidelines that it is still a low risk. How you manage and live with that risk is still a personnal issue which probably varies if you are an SP or a client and the frequency of exposure to that low risk.

From the report:


The risk of HIV transmission through oral sex is difficult to assess because HIV seroconverters may underreport other higher risk sexual practices. A literature review identified exposure to HIV through unprotected oral intercourse as an independent risk factor for HIV acquisition in only three (12.5%) of 24 epidemiological studies designed to examine risk of HIV from different sexual exposures. It indicates that the importance of oral sex to HIV transmission is a complex result of the relative frequency of oral sex (among other activities), the infectivity of oral secretions and its modification by oral pathology, and the resistance to infection of inhibitory substances in saliva.

 

[naughtylady]

I never claimed it to be a safe sex activity. That said:

It is still considered low risk.

Not no risk, LOW RISK.

I still stand by my statements.

Ronnie,
Naughtylady

 

[comegetsomenuky]

I never claimed it to be a safe sex activity. That said:

It is still considered low risk.

Not no risk, LOW RISK.

I still stand by my statements.

Ronnie,
Naughtylady

Hey- we are all saying the same thing naughtylady

I was just trying to balance secret_admirer comment`s which I thought were using the statments from the report with a little too much liberty. It felt a little bias.

So to sum up our respectives positions : for HIV transmission is not a no risk activity. However available epidemiological evidences suggest that it is still a low risk activity with certain groups of experts even classyfying it as a negligible risk (Ex: Canadian AIDS Society).

If we forgo other risks of STD transmission associated with (which are a lot more higher than HIV) and stick with HIV transmission as the deciding factor in your choice of or CBBJ as a client or an SP, the frequency of such activity (exposure) will be the important factor. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attributable_risk

When you look at exposure then its certainly not the same low risk for the SP and the client (unless he has tons of money to indulge his hobby on a insane frequency).

I am for safe sex and I respect SP who ask for CBBJ. Personnaly, as far a HIV transmission goes, I am willing to live with the low risk and or negligible risk of . Its a personnal choice.

 

[naughtylady]

Too true, when it comes to , other STIs are a much bigger risk for the lady.

Not too many can work with a STI type of throat infection. From what I hear it is a very nasty sore throat!

Ronnie,
Naughtylady

 

[loverboy]

high Risk Gentlemen

Well after your blog Miss Cloe.I understand why u would not want to meet such a gentleman.I was hobbing for 10 years and always practice safe sex with every Escort I came in contact with.Being paranoid about my hobby I would get myself tested on a regular basis.It wasn't until I meet my GF that I finally BBfs.She told me she was safe.I was with her 3 years.She always told me she was safe.Unfortunetly i had to get myself tested 2x and take anitbiotics to clear me up.Here I am hobbing for 10 years and never got anything and then i finally meet someone whom I knew where she was 24/7 & I had to get myself tested.How u like them apples.I was really upset when it went down.My GF explaination was it happened before she meet me & it was a one night stand. The guy(awhole!!!!) told her he was safe.She believed him.Because of other people stupidity it almost cost me my life.Now I'm single again & back in the hobby business

 

[patrick7171]

Do I understand correctly that most of the risk of is from getting a scratch or cut from the teeth?

 

[naughtylady]

Do I understand correctly that most of the risk of is from getting a scratch or cut from the teeth?

when talking about the HIV virus: yes

however no scratch necessary for herpes, gonorrhoea, syphilis etc.

check the following risk chart:

http://www.sfcityclinic.org/stdbasics/stdchart.asp

Ronnie,
Naughtylady

 

[wilbur]

The best course of action for me is to presume that the person I'm in contact with has all possible imaginable STD. That's why I want everything covered.

Sex workers are in contact with many people, and a certain percentage will have an STD, whether they know about it or not, or whether they're being truthful about it or not.

I'm a bit puzzled at the reasoning that someone should be denied because they propose to engage in unsafe sex. The sex provider has a right to set limits, and the client can then choose to accept those limits or go somewhere else. If a client says that he's been cloistered in a monastery for the last 20 years, does that mean that he should automatically be believed? Of course not. That's why, if I was a sex provider, I would just assume that every client has every STD, and cover up in consequence.

Anything else is russian roulette. If 5% of the general population has some sort of STD infection (I'm being very conservative), then I would expect that one out of every 20 clients is infected as well. For an unprotected sex worker, then it's just a matter of time that she catches something and passes it along to most of her clients, despite all claiming to be STD free. Remember also that an STD takes time to incubate before showing lesions or symptoms, but can be contagious in the meantime.

 

[thenewguy]

hello???

here is my inpout on this discussion..

i think it`s both our reponsibility to protect ourselves..
chloé is shocked by the fact that she might catch something doing a and the guy should protect himself...hellooooooooooooooooo

if you don`t want to catch anything well don`t do bottom line lol...
i certainaly have no intentions to be rude or anything because i respect you guys too much for that but it`s like not wanting to get wet when going swimming.......

anyhow guys don`t ask for a and girls dont give and the problem is solved..

take care...

 

[Miss Cloe]

Helloooooooooooooooo????????

here is my inpout on this discussion..

i think it`s both our reponsibility to protect ourselves..
chloé is shocked by the fact that she might catch something doing a and the guy should protect himself...hellooooooooooooooooo

if you don`t want to catch anything well don`t do bottom line lol...
i certainaly have no intentions to be rude or anything because i respect you guys too much for that but it`s like not wanting to get wet when going swimming.......

anyhow guys don`t ask for a and girls dont give and the problem is solved..

take care...

I wish some of you would read (fully) what was written (maybe start with post #1?) before replying and honestly try to understand what was said!

Cloe and not Chloe is not shocked by the fact she could possibly catch something in this hobby giving a ...
Cloe is shocked by the fact that some people do not give a F about other people`s health and life by knowingly and willingly increasing MY risks (therefore your risks) by partaking in BBFS with anyone and everyone that wants to play Russian roulette!

I don`t even ``offer`` CIM to reduce my health risks even further... You really think I want to be intimate with someone that practices BBFS (with various partners) on a regular basis?

Have a great day everyone!

 

[thenewguy]

sorry cloe not chloe if my comment offended you... lol
i just think your post was ridiculous and i still do..

I think you should be okay with opinions that are not like yours if you post here and not be offended when someone who doesn't think like you.

if you feel my opinion is bs, i respect that aswell. have a great day.

no hard feelings..