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Bizarre day in MLB today....

Boston beats the Jays 13-0
Cleveland beats Tampa 13-0
Yankees beat Detroit 7-0

The world must be upside down today.....:rolleyes:
 

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However, they do not have a closer and if Octavio Dotel is the best they can find to close games, they are in deep trouble. They should not have let Valverde go, even if he did suck in the playoffs. He is still better than what they will use to close out games now.
Um, you don't usually bring in your closer when you're down 5-0, Beav. Dotel is not their closer. In fact, they don't have a closer. Maybe Phil Coke, but clearly not today. The kid who was supposed to be their closer, Rondon, sucked so bad in Florida that they shipped him back to the farm and re-signed Valverde.

I watched a lot of the game today on the Yankee feed and they (Flaherty and Kay) expressed a lot of concern for Sabathia, while praising him for pitching out of trouble without great command and with a fastball that barely touched 90. He is a fine pitcher and he will need to be fine if his fastball continues to show the significant decline it has so far.

As for the Tigers, they've got good pitching, a lot of stick, and no, nada, zip bullpen. Their pen might be even worse than that of the Yankees.

Meanwhile, the new Red Sox start the season on the road in the Bronx against the $228,000,000 Yankees and everybody's favourite Blue Jays and now return to Fenway looking might good. In fact, if Joe.T were a Sox fan, Will Middlebrooks would be polishing the MVP trophy by now.

Joe is too smart to be a Red Sox fan.
Yawn. ZZZZZZ. Do you, DD, have any idea just how boring your one note is?
 

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Safe to say Dickey wasn't fooling anyone, especially Will Middlebrooks...Sox crush the Jays at their own game...and John Farrell finds a way to win in Toronto, change uniforms...;-)


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Weeeeeeoooooooo BOYZ,

Is it the 4th of July already. Geeeezuzzz, 6 home runs...boom, boom, boom. Well, I guess this lineup can score a few runs, not that a lousy pitching effort doesn't help. I was listening to the 1st inning on the radio. Dickey and the Jays were nearly behind 7-0 when two more shots after the 1st Middlebrooks home run barely stayed in the park. Wheeeeew, 13-0. welcome back to the city of Toronto Mr. John Farrell. :D :thumb:

I don't want to say for personal reasons. Okay?

Well, you leave yourself open to speculation. None of them doing you any credit, and points to why you never joined sports threads for several years despite a long membership.

Look, the Yankees have played follow-the-Red Sox already in recent times. Remember that when general manager Brian Cashman received greater authority in 2005, he went heavy on analytics, feeling Boston had a several-year head start in this area and was a better organization because of it.

So maybe the Red Sox will be used as models again. Which is why there is reason for Yankees fans to keep an eye on the Red Sox this season — beyond just The Rivalry.[/COLOR][/I]

It's called: TAKING THE YANKEES TO SCHOOL!!! The problem is that while the Sox are already digging themselves out of a deep hole, the Yankees salary burden could handicap them for the next couple of years at least from even starting recovery from the hole they are plunging into. While Sabathia and Pettitte temporarily slow the descent, CC is already declining and Andy could disappear any time he wishes or age catches up to his performance level.

Have fun,

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Very interesting article. However, as evident in the last 3 World Series winners, San Francisco, St. Louis and San Francisco again, the leaner mixture of more younger players and second tier players, and less aging superstars has been proving to be a winner.

New York was the last team with a bloated payroll to win a World Series in 2009, and Philadelphia before them in 2008.

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think the Red Sox management acknowledged what the trend may be. Some of the better teams, like Cincinnati, Washington, and Atlanta are young and have less aging high paid superstars. However, there are still teams such as Detroit and Los Angeles Dodgers who have high paid free agents or players they acquired in trade who will be contenders. It will be interesting to see which teams will prevail.

Interesting piece from Joel Sherman in today's New York Post:

Yanks can learn from Red Sox approach to free agency
By JOEL SHERMAN

The Red Sox could move from the Yankees’ main rival to, of all things, their mentors — at least when it comes to roster construction.

In fact, if Boston is successful this year, I wonder if many teams, including the Mets, will attempt to follow its blueprint — namely to aggressively attack the middle-class free-agent market and construct a deep, power-throwing bullpen.

Boston’s highest-profile reaction to its worst season in 52 years was firing Bobby Valentine after one season. But the Red Sox recognized the problems went beyond the manager’s office. The team collapsed to 69 wins last year largely because of depth issues in talent and, perhaps, character as well.

We may look back on the mega-deal last Aug. 25 with the Dodgers as Boston’s Herschel Walker trade. Boston obtained a couple of impressive prospect arms in Rubby De La Rosa and, especially, Allen Webster. But, even more vitally, they received a financial do-over.

By trading Josh Beckett, Carl Crawford, Adrian Gonzalez and Nick Punto, Boston saved roughly a quarter-of-a-billion dollars in future salaries. The Red Sox reinvested a good chunk of that this past offseason in a variety of ways.

They had requests for players such as Jacoby Ellsbury, Jon Lester and Jarrod Saltalamacchia, but retained them despite contract raises. They re-signed David Ortiz and Craig Breslow. They traded for Joel Hanrahan. And they were the most active team in free agency, inking seven outside free agents for $100 million.

So what were the Red Sox trying to do?

1. Avoid the super long-term deal. They did not want to repeat, say, the seven-year mistake with Carl Crawford. Instead, they were hyper-aggressive with the next-level free agent with their largest guarantee just three years at $39 million for Shane Victorino.

2. Address the depth issue. They wanted to make sure their own second and third tiers of talent were considerably better than last year to cope with the attrition of a season.

3. Address the character question. Part of this was resolved by excising players miserable in Boston such as Beckett and Crawford. But the Red Sox also imported noted good clubhouse presences such as Jonny Gomes, David Ross and Victorino.

4. Deepen the bullpen, especially with power arms. The pen remains the least expensive element on a team. But its relevance — especially in lowering the stress on a rotation — is substantial. So rather than trade pieces such as Alfredo Aceves and Andrew Bailey, the Red Sox kept them and added Hanrahan and Koji Uehara.

There are risks. Ortiz and free agent addition Stephen Drew are brittle and both began the season on the disabled list. Mike Napoli had his contract redone from a three-year $39 million deal to one year at $5 million because of a persistent hip ailment. Victorino appeared in steep decline last year. Ryan Dempster, another free-agent sign, has had career trouble against the AL East.

Still, this is an intriguing experiment Boston, and the rest of the sport is watching.

For the Red Sox’s downfall revolved around becoming top-heavy in mega-contracts for too many declining veterans. The organization had surrendered to the pressures of keeping expensive seats filled and making sure the team-owned network had a star-laden product to sell. Does that sound familiar? YES, it does.

The Red Sox may not have aired their desires quite as publicly as the Yankees, but they also badly want to stay under the luxury-tax threshold. Boston almost certainly will do so by spreading money around on what it sees as above-average quantity rather than a star or two. That also makes future payrolls more manageable.

The Yankees probably cannot make a Herschel Walker trade to avoid their own top-heavy ways. No team is taking Alex Rodriguez. CC Sabathia and Mark Teixeira have no-trade clauses and have been adamant about staying Yankees.

The Yankees could trade Robinson Cano to lower payroll and increase their young talent base. But Cano’s high-profile change of agents away from Scott Boras suggests the Yankees are about to add yet another $20 million-plus contract for the long haul.

Thus, if the Yankees actually are to get under the $189 million threshold for next year, they might just have roughly $70 million more to spend on the rest of the roster. Therefore, to stay contenders, they might have to be aggressive on that second tier of free agents.

The Yankees mostly eschewed the strategy this past offseason, as they let secondary pieces they desired such as Russell Martin, Jeff Keppinger, Nate Schierholz and Scott Hairston sign elsewhere. The one player they did sign from that subsection was Kevin Youkilis, who in a roundabout way was available because Will Middlebrooks had taken his job in Boston.

Middlebrooks became a Red Sox lineup fixture last year, and Jackie Bradley Jr. might be on the way to doing so this year. The introduction of youngsters helps lower the costs and raise the energy.

Middlebrooks and Bradley both project to be above-average players. The Yankees are going to need youngsters such as Michael Pineda, Tyler Austin and Slade Heathcott to offer something similar by the beginning of next year or their chances of staying under $189 million and having a contender just about evaporate.

Look, the Yankees have played follow-the-Red Sox already in recent times. Remember that when general manager Brian Cashman received greater authority in 2005, he went heavy on analytics, feeling Boston had a several-year head start in this area and was a better organization because of it.

So maybe the Red Sox will be used as models again. Which is why there is reason for Yankees fans to keep an eye on the Red Sox this season — beyond just The Rivalry.
 

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New York was the last team with a bloated payroll to win a World Series in 2009, and Philadelphia before them in 2008.
Yes, however, three of the Yankees' huge contracts (Sabathia, Teixeira, Burnett) were in their first year and the fourth (Rodriguez) was for a player still in his early 30s. The Yankees are paying for that excess now and will be for the next few years, hamstrung through the 2016 with old players with fat contracts. With the Red Sox having jettisoned all but one of their bad contracts and that only running for one more year, it seems that only the Yankees and Dodgers are still willing to give players long contracts into the players' late 30s. I'm gonna guess that even the Yankees are going to think twice before giving a 31 year old an 8 year deal. The battle of wits between Boras and Cashman over the Cano contract will be quite interesting.

And, by the way, Philadelphia did not have a bloated payroll in 2008. IN that year, the Yankees were at $209, the Mets at $137, the Red Sox at $133, the White Sox at $121, ,the Dodgers and Cubs at $118, the Braves at $102, the Phillies at $98.
 

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Will Montreal get a MLB team again?

Over the past couple of years, we've been hearing talk about Montreal possibly once again getting a MLB franchise. A possible good fit would be the Tampa Bay Rays moving to Montreal if they can't get a new stadium built in Tampa. Natural rivalries would already be in place against the likes of Toronto, Boston & New York, since they'd be in the same division as those teams. However, government(s) would have to approve that a new baseball stadium be built downtown. Retractable roof would be the preferred choice of stadiums due to the cold weather during April & October. Maybe the team could play its games at the Big 'O' for a year or two until the new stadium is built.

Recently, the possibility of a team relocating to Montreal was discussed in this video:

Montreal could get MLB team if approval for a new downtown stadium is granted
 

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The battle of wits between Boras and Cashman over the Cano contract will be quite interesting.

You mean Jay-Z and Cashman. Lol. BTW DD41, very well written and insightful post above. :nod:
 

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Yes, however, three of the Yankees' huge contracts (Sabathia, Teixeira, Burnett) were in their first year and the fourth (Rodriguez) was for a player still in his early 30s. The Yankees are paying for that excess now and will be for the next few years, hamstrung through the 2016 with old players with fat contracts. With the Red Sox having jettisoned all but one of their bad contracts and that only running for one more year, it seems that only the Yankees and Dodgers are still willing to give players long contracts into the players' late 30s. I'm gonna guess that even the Yankees are going to think twice before giving a 31 year old an 8 year deal. The battle of wits between Boras and Cashman over the Cano contract will be quite interesting.

And, by the way, Philadelphia did not have a bloated payroll in 2008. IN that year, the Yankees were at $209, the Mets at $137, the Red Sox at $133, the White Sox at $121, ,the Dodgers and Cubs at $118, the Braves at $102, the Phillies at $98.

Boras is out of the picture. Cano went to Jay Z inc.

I read speculation that Cano wants to stay in NY and Boras wanted to test the waters. Remember Arod went to the Yankees himself while Boras wouldn't return Cashman's calls, and Boras expected he would get calls from other teams about Arod, and apparently Boras did not.

Best thing Yankees could do is offer Cano a 5 year contract 20 million $ a year with an option of an extra 2 years if he performs well in his last year.

I don't know if the gig on long term contracts may be up.

NY and LA are not the only team with long term contracts. How about Detroit? Detroit's Prince Fielder signed a 10-year-contract for 214 $ million. He is currently 27. Miguel Cabrera has a $153 million 8 year contract up in 2016. He will be 32 in 2016. Justin Verlander's 7 year, 180 million contract is up in 2020. He will be 37.

Plus, NY has not signed a long-term contract since when? Arod?
 

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Best thing Yankees could do is offer Cano a 5 year contract 20 million $ a year with an option of an extra 2 years if he performs well in his last year.
I think you're about right on the length and $25 million short on Cashman's offer. You're probably about three years off on what he's going to wind up getting. If he insists on 7 or 8, he's gone. I don't believe Cashman's ready to get burned again.

How about Detroit? Detroit's Prince Fielder signed a 10-year-contract for 214 $ million. He is currently 27. Miguel Cabrera has a $153 million 8 year contract up in 2016. He will be 32 in 2016. Justin Verlander's 7 year, 180 million contract is up in 2020. He will be 37.
Which suggests that someone will give Cano 7 or 8.

Plus, NY has not signed a long-term contract since when? Arod?
Since the 2008-2009 off-season: Sabathia, Teixeira, Burnett. A-Rod was the year before.
 

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Cano will get at least $25mil per year on a short term deal (5 years) or 22-23mil per on a 7 yr deal to remain in NY, if he wants more he will find it elsewhere.
 

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If Joe.T were a Red Sox fan, he'd be sizing Clay Buchholz up for the Cy right about now.

Cano will get at least $25mil per year on a short term deal (5 years) or 22-23mil per on a 7 yr deal to remain in NY, if he wants more he will find it elsewhere.
You're probably pretty close on this, iggy. Cashman's been burned on too many long term deals; the only way he gives Cano more than five years is with a discount.
 

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You mean Jay-Z and Cashman. Lol. BTW DD41, very well written and insightful post above. :nod:

Ditto.:thumb:

Very interesting article. However, as evident in the last 3 World Series winners, San Francisco, St. Louis and San Francisco again, the leaner mixture of more younger players and second tier players, and less aging superstars has been proving to be a winner.

New York was the last team with a bloated payroll to win a World Series in 2009, and Philadelphia before them in 2008.

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think the Red Sox management acknowledged what the trend may be. Some of the better teams, like Cincinnati, Washington, and Atlanta are young and have less aging high paid superstars. However, there are still teams such as Detroit and Los Angeles Dodgers who have high paid free agents or players they acquired in trade who will be contenders. It will be interesting to see which teams will prevail.

Well said dd41 (except th Philles were under $100M).:nod:
Sox management learned there will never be a winner in a spending war, a concept that still escapes the Yankees yet seems to have caught on in Toronto. In Toronto however they added round 2 of an inept manager in Gibbons on top of a spending spree...tisk, tisk...:rolleyes::confused:

If Joe.T were a Red Sox fan, he'd be sizing Clay Buchholz up for the Cy right about now.

Are you sure rumples...? He may be sizing up Lester too!:thumb:
 

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nice to see you posting again, hows about you stay when your team sucks donkey doo? :)

Nice win by the Yanks today... so much for having no power eh "boyz"? Wells and Hafner could be yet again another genius move by Brain, i mean "Brian" Cashman before all is said and done.... never count out the Yanks as long as Cash is our GM!.... wink wink'

(enjoy april red sox fans lol)
 

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Cano will get at least $25mil per year on a short term deal (5 years) or 22-23mil per on a 7 yr deal to remain in NY, if he wants more he will find it elsewhere.

LOL,

Typical! No trace of reality. I like Cano as a player a lot. I too consider him an important part of any team. He has produced well, consistently, and can be decisive. But he was never on the same level as Pujols. Also, teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers and others who have taken up huge contracts have shown the fallacy of doing so. I get the feeling, given the high risk of such contracts and the luxury tax issues, teams are going to be wary of these contracts because of the risk and the salary burden. 2012 may be the high water mark of these contracts for a while.

Then there's the Yankees huge contract burdens and the dead weight they have to carry. Just look at how the Yankees stayed out of such bidding this past off-season, the Red Sox too. Cano was never worth $25 million per year and even the Yankees would be nuts to consider it. Besides, before today Cano was hitting .130 :lol:, and today was just one day.

... never count out the Yanks as long as Cash is our GM!...

The same guy who put the team in such a financial condition that Wells and Hafner are all you could even try to afford. :crazy:

Hey, great pitching effort by Buchholz today. This is the kind of game the Sox were lacking so much last year. Hang tough, hold on, give it your all, come through in the end.

Some notes:

1. The Sox pitching staff ERA is currently under 3.30 as a whole.

2. Before the game the Sox were leading the league in steals.

3. The Sox still have not committed an error.

4. Teammates consistently report a spirited camaraderie among all the players.

All signs that at the very least, this will be a fun year with a professional and committed team...no matter how many wins. That's all I ask of this year.

BTW...the Yanks actually scored more than 4 runs this time. Oh well done BOYZ! :D

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Some notes:

1. The Sox pitching staff ERA is currently under 3.30 as a whole.

2. Before the game the Sox were leading the league in steals.

3. The Sox still have not committed an error.

4. Teammates consistently report a spirited camaraderie among all the players.

All signs that at the very least, this will be a fun year with a professional and committed team...no matter how many wins. That's all I ask of this year.

:thumb:

Merlot

Damn, Merlot, the Red Sox are really leading all of that and it's only the first FUCKING day of the SECOND week of APRIL, Dude. 2013 Baseball Season hasn't even had its first Rain Out. Or has it? :confused: :help: :hail::faint::deadhorse:
 

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Hey M8, didnt you just ban joel cairo for homophobic slurs :confused:

and mErot, had you seen the amazing girl Mr.T had Sat night at Kingdom, you might understand,,, (merci, Kate, meric McKayla) :thumb:

Sounds like a foul ball, Merlot.

Got to keep the subject on baseball.
 

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Some notes: 1. The Sox pitching staff ERA is currently under 3.30 as a whole. 2. Before the game the Sox were leading the league in steals. 3. The Sox still have not committed an error. 4. Teammates consistently report a spirited camaraderie among all the players. All signs that at the very least, this will be a fun year with a professional and committed team...no matter how many wins. :D:thumb:Merlot

Well said M. #4 is HUGE! I love the chemistry I see so far on this team under the leadership of John Farrell. You did miss one though...I love the OF we have put together and really like the way Victorino plays the game. Definitely going to be an interesting season.

As for some of the rest of the crap...lol...some things never change...

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Hahaha...have fun,
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So much for the Yanks power outage, another 3 hr's tonight and only in the 6th.....
 
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