A different slant on it!

[Regular Guy]

Found this interesting approach while surfing. Great conversation piece:

It takes work to see clearly that you need your physical senses to be a spiritual person, and that you need a spiritual acceptance of life's goodness to be profoundly sensual and sexual.
When you finally get body and spirit together--Renaissance writers said you need to be a person of soul to do this--you will discover greater joy in lovemaking. It makes sense: If you are a whole person made up of body, soul, and spirit,when you make love with only your body, you're getting only one third of the sex. Spirit and soul like sex, too, and they add immensely to the pleasure.

I wonder how many bring this to an encounter.

 

[Ariane Valmont]

Found this interesting approach while surfing. Great conversation piece:

It takes work to see clearly that you need your physical senses to be a spiritual person, and that you need a spiritual acceptance of life's goodness to be profoundly sensual and sexual.
When you finally get body and spirit together--Renaissance writers said you need to be a person of soul to do this--you will discover greater joy in lovemaking. It makes sense: If you are a whole person made up of body, soul, and spirit,when you make love with only your body, you're getting only one third of the sex. Spirit and soul like sex, too, and they add immensely to the pleasure.

I wonder how many bring this to an encounter.

I would say very few.

 

[Regular Guy]

True GFE?

I would say very few.

I was going to say, "What was your first clue?" but with the responses it seems obvious. But in all fairness let's deal with Jeff's question by further asking any SP's here how many of them would be open to it if approached by a client in that fashion?

Now as to the concepts of spirit and soul, first off they may be described as the essential elements of intimacy. They are also the essential elements of one's personality. To keep it simple I would venture to say that to bring this to the encounter makes the difference between regarding the person you are going to be intimate with as hamburger and regarding that person as having worth. Now from Jeff's perspective I believe that he feels that it is the SP's who have more of a tendency to depersonalize the client and regard them as a means to make a living. Or does the truth lie somewhere in between?
There is always a lot of talk about the GFE and how desirable it is to have in any encounter. Could this be the essential ingredient or is it something else?

 

[breadman]

A great writer once wrote:

The only way to the soul is thru the anus

Hence the term...'visiting greece'.

 

[Merlot]

Found this interesting approach while surfing. Great conversation piece:

It takes work to see clearly that you need your physical senses to be a spiritual person, and that you need a spiritual acceptance of life's goodness to be profoundly sensual and sexual.
When you finally get body and spirit together--Renaissance writers said you need to be a person of soul to do this--you will discover greater joy in lovemaking. It makes sense: If you are a whole person made up of body, soul, and spirit,when you make love with only your body, you're getting only one third of the sex. Spirit and soul like sex, too, and they add immensely to the pleasure.

I wonder how many bring this to an encounter.

Hello RG,

You are asking us to bring mind, body, and soul...ie...totally expose or commit everything about ourselves, risking everything, putting it all on the line with every vulnerability to women we usually don't know who are essentially only there for a business transaction. It would be pretty irrational to approach any escort with such openness and vulnerability. Sorry, not happening here.

Originally Posted by Socrates
The only way to the soul is thru the anus

A great writer once wrote:

Hence the term...'visiting greece'.

I don't know about the soul, but she sure likes to call for god again...and again.

Cheers,

Merlot

 

[benxxx]

soul and spirit

i myself often use triple five soul or strong spirit...not always to the best results...

 

[Sprint]

"Body, soul and spirit" is just a made-up division. May as well say we're an amalgam of animal magnetism, puppy-dog tails and fashion sense.

An accurate description? Try "Body, including brain". That pretty well sums up our entire physical and mental selves.

 

[Ariane Valmont]

Forget the words "soul" and "spirit" if they bug you.

I think the autor of this text simply means that there is a lot more to sexuality than strictly physical gratification and that you can live powerful experiences if you are willing to open up and let yourself be vulnerable.

It's not necessarily just about reaching orgasms. It can also be about connecting with another person through a very intimate and liberating act.

Now, of course, you would have to be somewhat in touch with your feelings to be able to understand what I'm talking about.

 

[Regular Guy]

Sex begins in the mind

You are asking us to bring mind, body, and soul...ie...totally expose or commit everything about ourselves, risking everything, putting it all on the line with every vulnerability to women we usually don't know who are essentially only there for a business transaction. It would be pretty irrational to approach any escort with such openness and vulnerability. Sorry, not happening here.

I think you really understand the concept. And further I cannot blame you for your skepticism. There are moments in life when that kind of trust is possible especially between those in relationships. You might remember the song “A Daisy a Day” which essentially talked about that relationship existing over a lifetime. But as you say, the nature of the beast (hobbying) most often precludes this. But is it not true that not all SP's are created equal and are there not some “nice” ones, as rare as that may be?

We meet a lot of people in our lifetime and one of the greatest life skills we develop is the ability to detect guile in others. Most will tell you it is in the eyes. Many hobby here for a variety of reasons based loosely on a basic tenet: The guys provide resources (money) and the girls provide the intimacy. There are variations on that. Sometimes there is chemistry and at other times there simply are nice people just as there are selfish ones in life. The eyes often do not lie. And there are moments of connection, perhaps more by chance than by design. We most often find them couched in what we understand to be sensuality. Sex begins in the brain and not everyone possesses the same degree of sensuality. Just read some of the reviews. But the very character of this “hobby” perhaps dictates that we wont find it as often as we might like. But a sensuous kiss with some SP's allows both parties, perhaps for a brief moment in time, to experience what the author described above. My point is that perhaps we overlook the value of moments like that in our quest for the extreme physical act. Maybe there is a value here worth pursuing.

Now this whole diatribe on my part does not mean that I have lost touch with reality. More often than not an Sp who has any vestiges of this concept of lovemaking when they enter this game soon learns to suppress these things after being subjected to some of the knuckle walkers who book her. The only ones who seem to retain the concept to any great degree are the independents. They do have more control over the process. But that is a whole other story.

Now all you guys who are being flippant about the concept, I hope, realize that all that I am throwing out here is an idea about being prepared to seize the moment should it present itself. I have always gone by the tenet that being sensual breeds sensuality with the right woman. Ariane understands the concept and I would bet that she would respond if approached this way. In any event I thought it might be an interesting topic of conversation if only to watch Jeff roll his eyes.

 

[Sprint]

Forget the words "soul" and "spirit" if they bug you.

I think the autor of this text simply means that there is a lot more to sexuality than strictly physical gratification and that you can live powerful experiences if you are willing to open up and let yourself be vulnerable.

It's not necessarily just about reaching orgasms. It can also be about connecting with another person through a very intimate and liberating act.

Now, of course, you would have to be somewhat in touch with your feelings to be able to understand what I'm talking about.

Ariane - Talking openly about feelings is like trading favourite omelette recipes. We all have them, they just don't usually come up in conversation on this site.

You're right of course. There's nothing better than physical pleasure combined with absolute trust in your partner. Almost all of us know that, which is why so many of us are in search of the GFE as well as the physical type. The real question is: what's the formula for balancing trust and safety? You mentioned vulnerability. How vulnerable is TOO vulnerable? I mean, we're talking about getting naked with strangers.

The answer is that there is no set answer. Intimacy is a slippery, cautious animal that can't be rushed, and responds differently to each person.

 

[Ariane Valmont]

p.s. methink RG and Ariane are each due for a handle change. How about Jean de la Croix and Therese d'Avila?

Tsssss.

You know as well as I do that spirituality is not necessarily related to religious faith.

But thanks for making me smile this morning, although I wish you would have chosen someone a little bit nicer to look at! hihi

The real question is: what's the formula for balancing trust and safety? You mentioned vulnerability. How vulnerable is TOO vulnerable? I mean, we're talking about getting naked with strangers.

The answer is that there is no set answer. Intimacy is a slippery, cautious animal that can't be rushed, and responds differently to each person.

Very good question. I guess you have to be able to let your partner get emotionaly close to you without forgetting that you're establishing a climate of intimacy that will only last for the time being. It's a temporary connection. And for the record, to me, temporary doesn't mean shallow or futile.

I really like the image you use to describe intimacy. It's quite accurate.

If you bring your soul and spirit to these encounters do you get a discount?

No but with certain SPs, you might get more "bang for your buck" (as you guys so elegantly put it!).

 

[Regular Guy]

Well why don't you just post a poll?!

Q: Do you bring spirit and soul to your encounters?
Opt 1: YES
Opt 2: NO
Opt 3: Epic Fail

p.s. methink RG and Ariane are each due for a handle change. How about Jean de la Croix and Therese d'Avila?

Naw! After I watched the movie, The Davinci Code, I had an epiphany which transcended such mundane affections. I have now gone into string theory. And if you keep being mean to me I'm gonna tell the MODS! Remember what happened last time. I love the "Epic Fail" choice, though. Nice touch! Now if you could just find something to do with your Saturdays. By the way you're out of Scotch. (Oops!)

 

[Techman]

What do you mean by "soul"? What do you mean by "spirit"?

How about some Aretha Franklin and Barry White albums and a couple of bottles of good wine?

 

[Regular Guy]

Spirit and soul

What do you mean by "soul"? What do you mean by "spirit"?

I can only give what I interpreted what the author meant by the concepts of soul and spirit. And that relates to the rest of the piece. In one sense it is almost poetic rather than scientific as I see it. But if you wish you can say that I am just having a bit of fun with this. In fact that might be the best approach. Pretty deep stuff but here goes:

As I see it, spirit is how we perceive the intangibles in life. And there is a kind of order to it all. Now one doesn't need religion to define this order. By intangibles I am referring to abstracts like love, truth, meaning in creation, etc. A sunset is merely refraction in the atmosphere producing colour but the congregate effect is not only emotional but what sense we derive from it - what significance it carries beyond the physical. We are affected in this way by everything and everyone around us and it goes beyond understanding. How this defines us I believe is what the author refers to as soul. I realize this goes beyond a simple definition but that is the nature of the beast in that it does not belong to the physical universe and thereby defies definition. The effects are visible within us to those around us.

Is there a kind of logic that this must satisfy? Perhaps. But if you believe that then tell me what it is and not what it isn't. Or you just might prefer Techman's answer. Certainly less complicated