American Clients .... You may soon be criminals...

[EagerBeaver]

A hobbyists from that jurisdiction phones or emails an agency in Montreal asking about the availability and/or costs of an SP for an upcoming trip to Montreal. The communication crosses state lines.

Under present law or the proposed legislation would such an act be illegal even though the rendez-vous would or did take place outside the USA.

No. Interstate commerce involves the buying and selling of products and services across state lines. If you are simply calling and asking about product or service availability or prices there is no commerce. It is interstate but there is no commerce.

If you call from one state to another and book a lady, that could be a different story. Note that in the Spitzer scenario, he was in Washington DC, booked a girl from New York, paid for her train fare from NYC to DC and paid the agency operator by wiring monies to shell corporations which I believe had legal situs in a 3rd state, Delaware or New Jersey.

Beyond the technical legal issues of more interest is the ability to enforce and prosecute these laws. In the usual case with a low profile defendant the Mann Act will never be enforced or prosecuted due to an absence of proof. Spitzer, however, set himself up for a possible Mann Act prosecution by leaving his name on the wire transfers which is a mistake of unfathomable magnitude, given that he was AG of New York and was well aware of the automatic reporting requirements on wire transfers such as what he was doing. He may have eventually been caught, but he certainly did not need to get caught the way he was caught, and the way he was caught set up the possible Mann Act prosecution.

From what I read, this bill, unlike the Mann Act, is aimed at trafficking coming from outside the US as opposed to within the US which is what the Mann Act was designed to stop.

 

[eastender]

Very Interesting

No. Interstate commerce involves the buying and selling of products and services across state lines. If you are simply calling and asking about product or service availability or prices there is no commerce. It is interstate but there is no commerce.

If you call from one state to another and book a lady, that could be a different story. Note that in the Spitzer scenario, he was in Washington DC, booked a girl from New York, paid for her train fare from NYC to DC and paid the agency operator by wiring monies to shell corporations which I believe had legal situs in a 3rd state, Delaware or New Jersey.

Beyond the technical legal issues of more interest is the ability to enforce and prosecute these laws. In the usual case with a low profile defendant the Mann Act will never be enforced or prosecuted due to an absence of proof. Spitzer, however, set himself up for a possible Mann Act prosecution by leaving his name on the wire transfers which is a mistake of unfathomable magnitude, given that he was AG of New York and was well aware of the automatic reporting requirements on wire transfers such as what he was doing. He may have eventually been caught, but he certainly did not need to get caught the way he was caught, and the way he was caught set up the possible Mann Act prosecution.

From what I read, this bill, unlike the Mann Act, is aimed at trafficking coming from outside the US as opposed to within the US which is what the Mann Act was designed to stop.

EB,

Thank you for a very interesting and thoughtful response.

The Korean analogy in CT you raised previously needs clarification. The rotation you mention is back to Korea or to another country? The reason I ask
is that I doubt that the US authorities would tolerate a situation where the USA becomes a transit point to illegal activities elsewhere in the world.

I appreciate and understand the nuance of commerce that you explained.However the difference is marginal. Using the Korean analogy the product is brought into the USA across state lines to cater to customers in a specific state. The issue of the customers home state has not been raised or how an out of state customer may be induced to cross state lines has not been raised either. This is marginally different from cyberspace ads from a foreign country entering the same state and inducing customers to use their service/product in an alleged safe haven location.

Analogy with various frauds illustrates my point. Consider the various Nigerian, lottery or other scams. I doubt that inducing the American ictim to leave the USA to make the payment would lessen the interest of USA authorities.

 

[EagerBeaver]

The rotation you mention is back to Korea or to another country?

Rotated back to Korea. They come in 3 month shifts. At these AMPs you will never see any one girl there longer than 3 months.

They are all over CT and there are a few that are quite good and quite popular. They charge $160/hour ($60 for house, $100 for girl), all activities are covered but FS is provided as well as a table shower and massage beforehand. Usually, they will do a lineup of anywhere from 4-6 girls and you get to pick your choice. None of the ones I have seen are minors, usually early 20s and up. The quality varies and the girls generally speak poor to no English with a few exceptions.

They are also all over New York City but down there you pay $200/hour for the same services.

 

[Kingpin1]

Eager Beaver, is there anything you don't know? I wish I had your knowledge.

 

[cpp433]

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this is fucked up,, so i could do something legal in canada,, be arrested for it when i come back here,, then in turn canada wouldnt let me in anymore because i would be a convicted felon? that is madness

 

[Doc Holliday]

this is fucked up,, so i could do something legal in canada,, be arrested for it when i come back here,, then in turn canada wouldnt let me in anymore because i would be a convicted felon? that is madness

I feel your frustration. However, it'll only get worse if the Church Lady gets voted in as the VP.

 

[centaurus]

There is more information on this at

I feel your frustration. However, it'll only get worse if the Church Lady gets voted in as the VP.

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Will hussein obama grows some balls and vote against it if there is a vote in the senate today? My bet is that he will vote : 'Present' , just like he did 109 times in the IL state senate.

On a side note, i welcome the idea: no more yank competition in montreal, or in brazil. Hence the prices would drop sharply.

 

[korbel]

Will hussein obama grows some balls and vote against it if there is a vote in the senate today? My bet is that he will vote : 'Present' , just like he did 109 times in the IL state senate.

On a side note, i welcome the idea: no more yank competition in montreal, or in brazil. Hence the prices would drop sharply.

Hello Centaurus,

Why the libelous demagoguery? Are you simply opposed to Obama or just all Americans?

Sad,

Korbel

 

[Big Daddy]

Do this bill really apply to Hobbiest?

My reading is that this bill is supposed to prosecute cases of human trafficing. That is if you get someone from Thiland to Canada and have sex with her in Canada then it is illegal. The bill is against sex slavery.

I am not sure how a person is involved in human trafficing if you invite an SP to a hotel room in Canada? Does this bill really apply to a hobbiest? I haven't read everything that carefully, but I don't think there is any reason to worry here.