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Have you ever used Vista? I used it for three years and never had so much as one problem with it. Most of the people who complained about Vista never used it. They, like yourself, just liked to jump on the bash Microsoft bandwagon.

I have however used iTunes and Quicktime, neither of which will ever find their way onto a computer I own again. They are so poorly written that they cause problems with other programs, always try to install other crap, like Safari - the Swiss cheese browser - during updates and their background processes are next to impossible to remove for average users. Those programs are so bad they should be considered as malware.

As for movies...I can't even enjoy watching a widescreen movie on a 26" 4X3 aspect ratio television because the image is so small. So for me, it doesn't matter how amazing the display looks, it's still to small for my taste. But then, I'm a big movie buff so I'm a tough sell on that point for any portable device.

By the way...your baseball games aren't in HD. HD requires as a minimun a 720p WIDESCREEN display which the iPad doesn't have. But I'm sure they still look very good. Video always looks sharper and clearer on a smaller screen.

But my bottom line, as it has always been, is that people should be aware of what the iPad is before they spend their money on it. Anyone expecting to be purchasing a laptop replacement will be severly disappointed. Anyone who doesn't own a computer should be aware that they need one to use this device, it is not a stand alone product. And anyone who buys one for their kids should know that the thing could end up being a money pit.

As with anything in the tech arena, do your research before spending your money and make sure that you are spending it wisely.
 

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And the latest iPad news...

On Monday Apple announced that it had sold 300,000 iPads by end of day Saturday, and now we’re hearing that more than 450,000 have been sold. What’s most interested about that stat, though, is that I heard from a source that there’s a tremendous amount of buyer’s remorse with the iPad, and people are coming in droves to return them.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/mobile-gadgeteer/?p=2956&tag=wrapper;col1

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Thread cleaned again and one more suspension issued. Thanks Rumple for not responding to provocations.

Now...

The next suspension issued in this thread will be for 1 week. After that, it will increase by 2 days per suspension. Meaning if Rumple get 7 days and Techman play smart ass right after, Techman will get 9 days and so on...
 

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Is it popular because it is new and there is a "I goto have it" factor.

I suspect it is a matter of fashion that drives the sale of these things. Would not a notebook style computer with a fold over tablet be much more useful and do the same job? I suspect that this will soon come, a tablet style notebook with higher power.
 

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As for movies...I can't even enjoy watching a widescreen movie on a 26" 4X3 aspect ratio television because the image is so small. So for me, it doesn't matter how amazing the display looks, it's still to small for my taste. But then, I'm a big movie buff so I'm a tough sell on that point for any portable device.
I watch movies and games at home in HD on a 92" screen and a very fabulous Optoma overhead projector. While the small screen isn't nearly the same, it's 20" away rather than 15'. I don't find it a bad experience.
 

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While I wouldn't recommend the iPad to anyone, I wouldn't fully recommend the Slate either especially not site unseen.
Well, that's it! I've decided to stay put & not buy any of them. The comments written in this thread in regards to both products has caused me to reconsider my purchase. I've realized it was more of a luxury for me & i wouldn't have used it much. Good for those who do have a use for the iPad or other devices like the Slate. I don't.

So, i decided yesterday to use some of the money i would have spent on an iPad/Slate & i purchased a home theatre system. Watching 'The Masters' in 1080i HD is fantastic!!!!! I've yet to try the Blu Ray, but was told that the movies watched in 1080p will be mind-blowing! On top of the big screen plasma, the 7.1 surround sound with Blu Ray & the HD receiver, i purchased a WD Media Player in order to watch the stuff i downloaded on my computer. I just plug in the portable hard drive into the unit & voila.....great movies to be watched on my plasma with a great picture!

Anways, the debate has been entertaining to follow, reminding of the on-going battle of wits between 'Jacob' & 'Smokey' on this season's Lost. Or, the battle of wits between two of the greatest 'Survivor' contestants ever, 'Boston Rob' & 'Russell' on this season's 'Survivor: Heroes vs. Villains'. I love it! :D

*the tech who sold me the system told me that regular dvd movies look better played with the Blu Ray as compared to regular DVD player. Any truth to this?
 
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Watching 'The Masters' in 1080i HD is fantastic!!!!!
Well, I hope you keep that 13" black and white TV around for watching the Maple Leafs. Watching them in 1080i might be too painful to endure.
 

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Hey Doc! I think you made a great decision. Yes, your Blu-ray will upconvert your regular DVDs and improve the image somewhat. It won't approach the quality of Blu-ray but it will make them very watchable. My Blu-ray player also has a USB port that I can plug my external drive or flash drive into and I've found that my downloaded content, especially the series Spartacus, is surprisingly decent in image quality when I watch it on my 50" plasma.

And, to keep this post on topic, now it seems that the next revision of iPhone OS will include something called iAds, in other words Apple will be including advertising in their Apps. And they are also talking about releasing a smaller version of the iPad, either 6 or 7 inch screen, in 2011. I hope they don't call it the mini pad.
 

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Review: A few hours with an iPad.

Disclosure: I own an iPhone, and by preference work on a Mac, one of three of my daily work computers.
There are also 3 other non-work related computers in the house, a Dell laptop (Vista) for my boy's school, an old iMac for the wife, a quad MacPro for music production.

I'll keep this short and sweet.

I would like to, and will own the next generation of this device (I don't recall ever buying the 1st generation of anything computer, car, etc).

Typing on the virtual keyboard was surprisingly good, it did not take long to get used to nothing moving. I can imagine that if it was longer than an hour work that needed to be done on the device that I would use the dock/keyboard combo to make things more productive and familiar (looking horizontal rather than angled/down while typing.)

Display was fantastic, very bright and quick (scrubbing video for example). Of course it was silent, and after a couple of hrs with it doing it's thing was relatively warm, nothing to note about. Performance was great, much, much faster than the iPhone for the same types of tasks (browsing, movies, small apps). I had Dragon (dictation) running on it using a bluetooth headset and it was very, smooth and accurate. I won't go into all the apps etc., they all worked well, did not run into any glitches etc. (it was only a few hours after all!). Of particular note was that reading on this device is a pleasure, I would not go back to print, there are too many cool features with digital books.

The OS is the OS. I like the way Apple does things, it is very, very intuitive to me.

All in all...

The form factor is fantastic. For work/travel weekends I've used 10, 12, and 13in netbook/laptops and always found them to be a bit of a pain because of the peripherals needed to lug along with them for them to be of any more beneficial use than either a smartphone or a full sized laptop. So, as I mentioned, when the second gen. is out, and my main text editor is released for this OS, I will be picking one of these up. I do most of my work virtually in "the cloud" and this device makes perfect sense for what I need in a portable.
 

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As you know, I pre-ordered from Apple. While I also don't typically buy first generation, my thinking was that when the second comes out next year, I'll have no trouble selling the year old iPad for $300 and owning the first generation for $200 for that year. Seems worth it to me.
 

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By the way...I don't know what you were wearing but nothing I own has pockets that I could slip an iPad into. But I have slipped a netbook into a coat pocket many times. They happen to fold closed, you know, and that makes them amaller than an iPad. A bit thicker maybe, but smaller overall.
Thought I'd reply to you in the appropriate thread. Does the screen of your netbook fold in half as well, or does it have a mighty puny screen? And yes, my coat has a large interior pocket. You've slipped a 3.5 lb. netbook in your pocket? While I'm quite comfortable slipping an iPad, weighing less than half of what your netbook does and is less than half as thick as your netbook, I don't know that I'd feel comfortable pedaling around with that clunky thing in my pocket.

What we now have in this thread is people who have actually touched and used an iPad raving about it and one guy who's never seen one continuing to bash it. Who would you think the more credible? That said, it is true that you've already posted that the iPad is perfect at doing what it's supposed to do. My guess is the main thing that you don't like about it is that it doesn't allow you to use software such as bit-torrent, which is primarily used to steal intellectual property from its owners without remunerating them for their hard work.
 
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First of all, I don't feel a need to be connected to the net wherever I go. As shocking as it may seem, I also leave home without my cell phone on many occasions and don't go into cold sweats worrying that I might miss a call. Too bad that the Peanuts comic strip is no longer being produced because I could see Linus replacing his security blanket with an iPad.

And I've never bashed the iPad. I have pointed out it's failings but I've also stated that if someone has the money, and the iPad fits their requirements, then they should go ahead and buy one and enjoy owning it. It meets absolutely none of my needs and I find it's limitations to be too many and too serious to justify the price being asked for it, so I won't spend any money on it. In fact I wouldn't spend even 100 bucks on it because I simply have no use for it. But hey, go ahead and rave away!
 

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My guess is the main thing that you don't like about it is that it doesn't allow you to use software such as bit-torrent, which is primarily used to steal intellectual property from its owners without remunerating them for their hard work.

Instead of editing my post to address an underhanded shot that was included after my original reply, I think this deserves a reply of it's own. I use torrent mostly to download television programs, most of which are not available here in Canada by any delivery method and it's no worse than people who record on their tivo. I also use torrent to download porn, which is forbidden on the iPad. As far as movies go, yes I do torrent them also on occasion and those I feel are worth the price I'll purchase when the final director's cut or special edition is released. In fact, in the three months since I purchased my Blu-ray player I've purchased over thirty movies on Blu-ray, lately I'm purchasing on average, two movies a week. I also have over 250 movies on DVD, which is far more than the average person has in their collection. As long as movie companies keep bringing out two, three, four and sometimes more versions of the movies they release, I'll continue to download the first version and wait for the final release before spending my money.

Unfortunately if I wish to rip any of the films I own to watch on a portable device, I cannot do this for the iPad platform because it doesn't support the standard formats such as avi, divx or xvid. Instead I would have to pay again to download them and that is not something I'm willing to do. Especially not to watch a wide screen, surround sound movie on a tiny portable display, no matter how sharp the image is.

I think we all get it by now. You love your iPad. It's perfect and has absolutely no flaws. It's better than a hot, sexy woman. It has made your life complete. Steve Jobs is god and we should worship him and give him our money.

You can give it a break now.
 

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Here's a couple of youtube vids on the iPad that people might find interesting:

First a stress test posted by PCWorld magazine. It may go a bit overboard but I think it gives a good impression of how kids treat their toys:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCrjviuxfdw

And I came across this video review from Rumples himself: ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5es_V2kBbCk

Oops...noticed that Doc posted the stress test a couple of pages back but I think it's worth a re-post.
 
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I think we all get it by now. You love your iPad. It's perfect and has absolutely no flaws. It's better than a hot, sexy woman. It has made your life complete. Steve Jobs is god and we should worship him and give him our money.

You can give it a break now.

Interesting. Although less eloquent, more demeaning and pointless then my post for which Techman insisted, successfully, that I be banned, I will make no similar request. I think that (if you have some confidence and maturity) a certain amount of rough and tumble, give and take, is illuminating and fun.

Let's leave Techman's off topic digression aside and get back on subject. I think one point in the iPad and anti-iPad debate should be made... the price of the iPad, netbooks et al are so very low that they are almost like Bic lighters and pens, ie disposable... so, unless we are morbidly obsessed inadequates, we should celebrate the happiness of fellow posters who enjoy Windows 7 or the iPad.
 

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the price of the iPad, netbooks et al are so very low that they are almost like Bic lighters and pens, ie disposable

I don't know about you, Dee, but I don't consider anything that costs up-wards of 500 dollars to be 'disposable'. One more reason for people to think before they buy anything, be it an iPad or a netbook or any other piece of electronics. Treating these products as disposable is the wrong way to look at things because there's enough hazardous material in our landfills as it is. Watching some of the videos on Youtube with people indiscriminately destroying iPads for the fun of it disgusts me to tell you the truth. I think it's a disgraceful waste of money and a waste of a product that could bring someone a lot of pleasure.

As for my post, I consider Rumples to be a buddy and I'm sure he can take whatever I dish out and that he's more than able to come back and do the same to me. Besides, what I posted was about the iPad and therefore it was on topic. Your post directed at me was not funny or on topic in any way and I refuse to be goaded into a heated exchange with someone who only posts here when he feels like stirring things up.

And a last note about this thread...I started it in fun, with a couple of funny vids. I never really intended it to take such a serious turn and for people to get so overheated about the damn thing.
 

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I think that the sad fact of the matter is, these things ARE disposable.

But disposable as in, length of ownership = 1 year, more if you're lucky.

True, you should not need to be buying new equipment in less than one year, imo.

But OTOH, people seem to think that this stuff will last forever, like the old TV sets.

Those days are gone, unfortunately.
 

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And the lack of multitasking will not be addressed by a simple software upgrade because the custom procesor that Apple has developed for the iPad is not able to multitask.

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Maybe you missed Mr. Jobs' speech on Thursday.... Multitasking is included with the next OS upgrade. Exactly like I speculated back in January. Acutually, I said in "one of" the next OS upgrades, and they did it even faster than I thought.

I would like to know how you make comments like the one above and present them as facts? Clearly you must have little to no idea what you're talking about it because your comment could not have been more dead wrong.

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I've hesitated to post this wonderful news item because I know one member will attack it, explain how wrong the noble people in the article are and generally denigrate their appreciation for a device that can aid those who need it... but I've decided that everyone else will happily welcome the news as helping those who may be less blessed then we are.

As fast as the digital world has progressed, it's always struck me that help of this type lagged. The article is from the Globe and Mail:

April 11, 2010

For autistic kids, iDevices are life changers

By Dakshana Bascaramurty
Globe and Mail Update
Their greatest use is easing anxiety among students, teacher says

When you enter Emily Buczek's Toronto classroom, it's like Times Square: Everywhere you look, there's a new visual distraction.
A picture of each student is tacked onto a large, colourful map above his or her country of origin (Emily's mug hovers over Poland).
There's a shelf of well-loved toys - a slumped-over clown, a plush frog - and rows of picture books, among them Emily's favourite: a cardboard volume of Winnie-the-Pooh stories.
All these diversions are there to keep up with students' fleeting attention spans: Emily and her peers at Beverley School all have developmental and/or physical disabilities.

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Autistic student Emily Buzcek, 13, has already mastered the iPod Touch, which helps her learn and communicate. The iPad's larger screen will be a big improvment, parents say.

Emily, a profoundly autistic 13-year-old with an overgrown pixie cut and fingernails that have been cut or chewed to the quick, doesn't fit the stereotype of an early adopter of the iPad.
But parents and educators of children with developmental disabilities - particularly autism spectrum disorders (ASD) - have celebrated its release. While the device was created mostly for media consumption, it has plenty of surprising uses for children with such disabilities.

Emily doesn't have an iPad in her hands yet, but the learning curve won't be very steep when it's released in Canada at the end of the month - she's already mastered the iPod Touch at school and at home.
It's been a godsend, her mother Christina says. With an autistic child, even the simplest tasks can be emotionally and physically draining.

She recalls many days when Emily, who is mostly non-verbal, indicated she wanted to go shopping - but wouldn't say where.
"I'd be driving her toward one store and pulling in and she'd be really upset because it wasn't the one she wanted," she says. "It's wasting a lot of time, it's a lot of frustration."
But then she downloaded the iConverse app on Emily's iPod Touch. One of many assisted communication programs available for people with disabilities, it allowed Ms. Buczek to load photos of her daughter's favourite stores, set to audio recordings of their names. Now all Emily has to do is run the app and click on the button that corresponds with her choice.

While Apple has not yet revealed Canadian prices for the iPad (it starts at $500 in the U.S.), Ms. Buczek says a price tag of even several hundred dollars would be significantly cheaper (not to mention more portable) than some of the assisted communication devices currently on the market, which can cost more than $10,000.

Emily, like many kids with ASD, struggles with her fine motor skills, and a larger screen would help her navigate the apps with greater precision, Ms. Buczek says
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At Emily's school, six teachers are using the iPod Touch with their developmentally-disabled students, as part of a University of Toronto study led by faculty of information professor Rhonda McEwen. Professor McEwen wants to see how it can help them communicate.

So far, their greatest use is easing anxiety among students, says Emily's teacher, Ian Stuart.

The iPod Touch that he uses with his class has been outfitted with speakers.

"Touch the bee," says a tinny female voice in one app. Displayed on the screen is a chocolate bunny, a bee and a shopping cart. Emily's hooked index finger hovers over all three options before it presses down on the bee.

Mr. Stuart frequently uses apps like this to help Emily focus before she moves on to a new activity in class, since transitions can be very difficult for kids with ASD.
There's a stack of deep blue one-inch binders in his classroom that are collecting dust. Before, whenever he'd head out with his students, he'd have to bring them along.
Inside each binder are pages of picture cards arranged in various sequences. A picture of a ball and swing followed by a computer means recess is followed by computer time.
Since Mr. Stuart has used the iPod Touch, he's done away with the binders. All those sequences can be stored in apps on the device, which has become a magic wand of sorts.
"[When we transition], some won't even look at me," he says. "But then I'll pull out the iPod and when they look at it and hear sounds it's like an epiphany."

Software developers who enjoyed success with accessibility apps for the iPhone and iPod Touchhave now focused their attention on the iPad.

The latest version of Proloquo2Go, the most popular AAC app in the iTunes store, was released at the start of the month to work on the iPad. As of Friday, it was ranked No. 34 overall in the United States among all 185,000-plus apps.

It can be used by people with disabilities - particularly non-verbal ones, many of whom have strong visual memories - to express their wants and needs.
"It's just a game changer," Samuel Sennott, co-creator of the app, says of the iPad. "It's ... [a] portable, table-top solution for people with physical impairments, people with visual impairments. You can see more on the screen."


For Stacie Carroll, another teacher at Beverley School, there's another perk to using these gadgets with students: "It's the cool factor," she says.

"This is their world. They pick up a cell [phone] and they know what to do with it."

Whether they're using an iDevice for scheduling, learning or easing anxiety, the key is that they blend in with other kids, she says.

She uses eight apps regularly with her students, including a few unusual ones. She shows off iSeismo, which graphs even the slightest movements. She's used it teach her class - a rather fidgety bunch - how to sit still and control their body movements.

Both she and Mr. Stuart say they see great potential in their classrooms for the iPad and its larger interface.

"A camera on [the iPad] would make it nearly perfect," Ms. Carroll says.

Anissa Hersh, a speech-language pathologist on the ASD team at the Hamilton-Wentworth District School Board in Hamilton, says she's interested in seeing how the device might benefit the students she works with as well.

"You have a whole generation of adults now who were never taught independence," Ms. Hersh says. "If you have this technology, and know how to use it, the idea is that down the road, [they] can use it in their work field."

Alex Stephens's five-year-old son Luc has ASD and is "completely infatuated with computers," he says. He's an expert with his father's iPhone, which works as both an entertainment device and an educational tool.

Mr. Stephens can barely keep up with all the unanticipated expenses that come with his son's disability: special vitamins, speech therapy and social therapy.

At the moment, an iPad is a luxury he can't afford, he says. "But if I were convinced it would help Luc, I'd buy it in a heartbeat."
 
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