Attempted citizen's arrest of Karl Rove

[korbel]

Kepler,

I don't understand your last post at all, and you apparently have not read or do not understand this issue I have raised. The only thing I ever said was unconstitutional is the as yet unquoted and unidentified portion of the Act which according to JB says this:



Article II section 2 of the US Constitution says the President:

"shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment."

So if Bush can pardon himself for an impeachable offense, what about that do you not understand to be an amendment to Article II section 2?

Please advise when any of the 50 states ratified this bill?

You guys have not even cited the text which allegedly says what JB says it says, and which allegedly allows Bush to pardon an impeachable offense. I have never even heard of this until JB posted about it and it seems like complete legal nonsense. I stand by everything i said above and someone tell me how the above analysis is incorrect. If this unidentified text actually does exist.

Please explain why impeaching Bush has been discussed as recently as a year ago if he can pardon impeachable offenses? So you guys are telling me Article II section 2 is history. I say "NOT"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If the United States President could no longer be impeached for an impeachable offense it would be major headline news everywhere. No such news has ever been made.

Well E,

Of course it's nonsense. But when did that ever stop politicians from attempting to cover their own butts. As long as the end result is he can't get away with it then all is right in the end.

Cheers,

Korbel

 

[Kepler]

as yet unquoted and unidentified portion of the Act which according to JustBob

JB is not a lawyer (AFAIK), so his explanation is that of a layman. That's the way I read his post. The act is not about pardons (in which case of course you would be right), but about protecting the president and his officers from acts committed between 2001 and 2005.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...=&as_occt=any&cr=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&safe=images

The law itself: http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=109_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ366.109 ((section 8))

 

[JustBob]

"Detainee Legislation Provides Retroactive Immunity for Bush Adminstration War Crimes"

AKA protecting/covering your butt.

The "Bush pardons himself against potential war crimes" line was used by the media and is of course meant to be ironic (referring back to Ford pardonning Nixon). I'm not a lawyer, or American, or an expert on constitutional matters, but even I know that a President cannot "pardon" himself.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Section 8

Kepler, I just read the text of section 8. The intent of this section appears to be towards immunizing low level US Government employees from criminal prosecution arising from treatment of detainees 2001-2005. Immunity could extend potentially for some offenses that could be charged even going up the federal food chain to Bush. But to the extent any of section 8 conflicts with Article II, Section 2 of the US Constitution, it would get struck down by the US Supreme Court faster than anything they have ever struck down as unconstitutional. To the extent it conflicts with Article II section 2 as either reducing, increasing or in any way altering the limitation on the pardon power contained in Article II section 2, it would be a constitutional amendment. As previously noted, 3/4 of the 50 states must ratify an amendment.

Section 8 likely got approved with this understanding: no limitation on or amendment to Article II section 2. The US Senate and President simply cannot unilaterally amend the Constitution.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Boumediene v. Bush

By the ways, as I mentioned earlier in the thread, the U.S. Supreme Court struck down section 7 of the 2006 Military Commissions Act as unconstitutional in Boumediene v. Bush on June 12, 2008. That decision involved habeas corpus provisions only, but it sounds like there are things in that decision that make other parts of the MCA very vulnerable to future court challenges.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Re: Karl "Turd Blossom" Rove

They should have dumped a gallon of red paint on top of that turd blossom prick in order to represent all the blood that's been shed in the middle east because of him & the sick administration he used to work for & represent.