Dollar value but above all GFE quality we have here vs the Sates. Same quality, sensuality and GFE service in the States will cost you roughly 50% more vis-a-vis Montreal. Now, for argument's sake, I'm using Montreal to compare but if we compare Toronto-Vancouver-Calgary-Edmonton-Fort Mac vs States, that's a different ball game to Montreal. I never hobby while in States, nor in Western Canada. I'd save it back until I come back to town. Vive Montreal !
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I never had my cellphone or laptop inspected. And even if they did, they would find nothing. I never access anything hobbying related on either device.
The only time I got the secondary inspection where they searched my bags was in the Summer of 2012. The customs agent pulled out a box of condoms I had (could have bought them in Canada but don't always find the ones I like on the shelves) and asked "what's this for?" - I just replied "I am optimistic about my time in Montreal", to which she laughed at and put them back.
The only time I got the secondary inspection where they searched my bags was in the Summer of 2012. The customs agent pulled out a box of condoms I had (could have bought them in Canada but don't always find the ones I like on the shelves) and asked "what's this for?" - I just replied "I am optimistic about my time in Montreal", to which she laughed at and put them back.
Keep the story simple, you want to see some friends, have a smoked meat sandwich and poutine, and do some shopping. I have never been stopped.
Something doesn't sound right. Why did you get flagged and why where you investigated for three hours? To me, this sounds a bit much for just a routine investigation. I've personally had to go for secondary inspection on two or three occasions when driving. First time was because a person in the vehicle had a record and had to get the OK to cross into Canada. the other time was a random search crossing into Canada. The other time was a bored US agent at the Vermont crossing that searched my car and went through backpack. Each time the border agents would ask the standard questions trying to determine if you are lying or acting suspicious. Each time I acted like a gentleman, never raised my voice or engaged in an argument even though it seemed as though they were trying to get my emotions up. I guess my point is that if your just an average traveler looking to cross the border they aren't going to bust your balls and even when they do it's nothing more than a half hour if they decide to investigate you.
That's why I ask, why did you get flagged and why were you investigated for three hours?
That's why I ask, why did you get flagged and why were you investigated for three hours?
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Last time I came back from vacation in the States the guard asked us ''if we had any illegal arms''..sigh as if someone brings something he knows is illegal and he will tell...sigh .
They are on a powertrip...
They are on a powertrip...
see my post #13 of this thread. The US Supreme Court has said on the US side no right to search and seize cellphones but there is a limited exception to that rule carved out for the San Bernardino terrorist. From what I read the issue hasn't been decided by the Canadian courts yet. The Canadian border guards have a greater latitude to do unreasonable search and seizures than their USA counterparts due to the 4th amendment to the US Constitution. Which is obviously federal law in the USA but not observed in Canada. I don't know that the Canadian border guards can inspect your rectum without probable cause, but they do get a greater latitude than the US border guards.
I heard that US Customs and Border Protection at a border crossing has the power to bypass the fourth amendment per a Supreme Court decision, so no device is safe. Do you know if this is true, EagerBeaver?
A young Canadian border official (dude) once asked the reason for my trip, and whether I knew anybody in Montreal (common question). I replied no, and he asked if I was going to a bachelor party. On other visits, I have seen these kinds of groups all the time. I wonder if he asked the question knowingly.
It reminds me of the time that I friend tell me that he had gone to a bachelor party in Montreal. He talked about a bartender telling he and his American group about the wonders of GFE BJ's. I did not pry, and I wonder how much his party took advantage.
A young Canadian border official (dude) once asked the reason for my trip, and whether I knew anybody in Montreal (common question). I replied no, and he asked if I was going to a bachelor party. On other visits, I have seen these kinds of groups all the time. I wonder if he asked the question knowingly.
It reminds me of the time that I friend tell me that he had gone to a bachelor party in Montreal. He talked about a bartender telling he and his American group about the wonders of GFE BJ's. I did not pry, and I wonder how much his party took advantage.
Driving back from the US, I have had my cellphone searched on the Canadian side by CBSA, they did make me unlock it. They did go through my imessages, they did go through my recent calls list. But expect private emails to be read also in your case possibly. In my case they asked why I called certain US phone numbers on my iphone. I can also confirm that I read on the news that someone was charged by CBSA for not opening their cell phone ie unlocking it for inspection by cbsa.
I can confirm that if you go to the US, they can search your phone legally. international points of entry are legal exceptions to the US 4th amendment.
Not true they need a search warrant, see this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/26/us/supreme-court-cellphones-search-privacy.html?_r=1
If you click on the link within that article and read the US Supreme Case, they mention an "exigent circumstances" exception, for example to prevent destruction of evidence, to pursue a fleeing suspect or to prevent imminent serious injury or bodily harm to some person. I don't see those exigent circumstances arising in a typical, routine border stop. If you run from your car suddenly for no reason, then yeah maybe they will search your phone if you left it on your car seat.
i have often driven up to montreal for just a day and this short stay does seem to raise suspicions. i have never had a problem when i tell them i am going to the casino. i assume they think that i am feeding a gambling addiction- it appears best to substitute a gambling addiction for a sex addiction. the only question that has come up is why not go to a casino in the us? i tell them that the montreal casino is the closest since i am staying at my vacation home in the adirondacks. i assume that you could easily substitute staying at a hotel/friends in plattsburgh
You guys should watch some of the border security shows on tv, very informative. Anyways, the Canadian custom officials are primarily looking for drugs, guns, and child pornography. Secondary searches are for banned food, alcohol, tobacco. Then they are looking if you're coming up here to work. At any time, they can inspect your cellphone, laptop, pc, and you must give them the password. And if you have a criminal record, you can be denied entry. If you have a serious criminal record (i.e. felony) or an outstanding warrant, forget about visiting Canada, they won't let you in.
Either way, be as truthful as possible. I'm visiting friends, family, casino, etc.
If you're coming up a lot, then this will raise suspicions. You'll need a really good reason for why you're doing this.
Either way, be as truthful as possible. I'm visiting friends, family, casino, etc.
If you're coming up a lot, then this will raise suspicions. You'll need a really good reason for why you're doing this.
Interesting thread, never thought about having my phone or laptop searched.
What's the worst thing that could happen if an agent read your hobby texts? There is nothing illegal about seeing an escort, unless you are discussing specific services. But probably gives a bored agent an reason to fuck with you.
Also curious, has anyone with NEXUS been stopped for screening at YUL? I'm assuming there is some miniscule chance you could be randomly selected.
What's the worst thing that could happen if an agent read your hobby texts? There is nothing illegal about seeing an escort, unless you are discussing specific services. But probably gives a bored agent an reason to fuck with you.
Also curious, has anyone with NEXUS been stopped for screening at YUL? I'm assuming there is some miniscule chance you could be randomly selected.
I may have to make a trip to the casino on my next visit so I can use that as a reason and know what I am talking about. Maybe keeping a few chips in the luggage would be a good idea. Proves you like to go to the casino and also an excuse that you needed to come back to Mtl to cash them out.
That's a good idea. You could also mention how you love the city, and you're taking advantage of the exchange rate for restaurants and shopping.
Refer to page 13
https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/usao/legacy/2014/11/14/usab6206.pdf
It appear searches are stil allowed without a warrant at the border but limited to content on the phone. Cloud data requires warrant.
transatlantic,
It should be noted that the facts of the Riley case involved a search incidental to an arrest of a member of the Bloods gang. A search incidental to an arrest is a whole different ballgame than you or me being asked inocuous questions at the border. Riley's dicta on searches incidental to an arrest is triggered at the border only if the border agents find some shit on you and arrest you and then do a search incidental to the arrest. If that happens, the content on the cellphone is fair game. But your ass has to get arrested first.
If you do not get out of your car and run, punch the border guard in the face, or do something else to get yourself arrested, I don't see how these searches even come into play. There are warrantless searches and exceptions to warrantless searches, and this is not the latter IMHO.
Bottom line is this: on a typical border stop where you are asked questions, an arrest isn't made. So the law you cite doesn't come into play. It comes into play once you have been arrested and your belongings are searched after the arrest.
It should be noted that the facts of the Riley case involved a search incidental to an arrest of a member of the Bloods gang. A search incidental to an arrest is a whole different ballgame than you or me being asked inocuous questions at the border. Riley's dicta on searches incidental to an arrest is triggered at the border only if the border agents find some shit on you and arrest you and then do a search incidental to the arrest. If that happens, the content on the cellphone is fair game. But your ass has to get arrested first.
If you do not get out of your car and run, punch the border guard in the face, or do something else to get yourself arrested, I don't see how these searches even come into play. There are warrantless searches and exceptions to warrantless searches, and this is not the latter IMHO.
Bottom line is this: on a typical border stop where you are asked questions, an arrest isn't made. So the law you cite doesn't come into play. It comes into play once you have been arrested and your belongings are searched after the arrest.
I'm not able to understand. How exactly did they figure out that you elicit with escorts when you visit canada?
Dear merb community,
As I was just turned away from entering Canada from the US (or, rather, I voluntarily withdrew my application for entrance into Canada and was allowed to leave/go back to the US), I hope that my story and its relative amount of detail can help prevent fellow forum posters from having a similar fate befall them:
The story: I arrive at Billy Bishop in Toronto for a connecting flight to Trudeau in Montreal (demographics wise, I am a white American male, mid-30s, middle class). I approach the customs agent and go through the usual questions (I am there for pleasure, I intend to stay for five days in order to visit a few particular historical sites and to see the Robert Mapplethorpe exhibit at the Musee des beaux-arts, I have a return flight home, here is my documentation, and so forth). In addition to these questions, I am asked my relatively short stay (truthfully answered: the unusual scheduling at my job permits me to take 5-6 days off in a row but rarely permits me to take off more), why I decided to come back after only visiting a little more than two months (truthfully answered: I did not have enough time to explore the city the first time I visited because of the aforementioned work scheduling), and why I had split my accommodations between two nights at a hotel and three nights at an airbnb location (truthfully answered: although I wanted to stay in a hotel for the duration of my stay, I got an airbnb gift card for Christmas and did not want to waster it).
After answering these questions to what I perceive to be to the satisfaction of the agent, I am given back my customs form and told to pick up my checked baggage. After picking up my checked baggage and showing my customs form to another agent, I am told that I forgot to sign the form (an error on my part) and that I needed to go to another room for further questioning. Subsequently, I go to this room where I am met by the same agent who had initially questioned me. This agent then questions me further on my job and then proceeds to go through all of my luggage and my laptop carrying case. The agent finds a significant amount of money that is less than the amount that I would need to have declared and questions me further about the reasons for my visit. At this point, I am asked to turn over my phone for search purposes (something the agent is supposedly allowed to do since this involves the matter of whether or not I shall be permitted into Canada) and I comply. Stupidly not having heeded the advice within this thread, I am (figuratively) caught with my pants down as I did not delete either text messages or emails relating to rdvs that I had planned for for this trip.
The aftermath: After being told to wait and to leave all of my belongings at the counter, the agent seemingly confers with other agents about my case and appears to show them exchanges on my cell phone. I am, after an hour or so, ushered back by the agent who informs me that they know why I am really here based off my cell phone and that they will be denying my entry into Canada. Based off of this decision, they further inform me that I have two options: I can either, a) sign an agreement to voluntarily withdrawal my entrance application and wait in the airport lounge for the first flight back to my original point of departure (while they hold on to my passport to make sure that I do, in fact, leave) or, b) forgo this agreement, be subject to a formal report, and face further questioning, and possible detainment, from Canadian law enforcement. Not wanting to potentially jeopardize my life for transient (but still amazing) pleasure, I take the former option.
While I am putting all of my belongings back, I am asked further questions that I find to be extremely personal and borderline insulting but that I hesitantly answer after being threatened by the agent with having to instead answer to law enforcement. After waiting for another 30 minutes or so, I sign my voluntarily withdrawal, am escorted back to the airport lounge, and wait for three hours until I am given back my passport and head home towards my original point of departure.
The moral: Obviously, delete/privately store all communication w/ SPs/agencies before going through customs. I have included details in this story in the hopes that more seasoned/experienced members of this community may highlight other red flags that are not readily apparent to me (perhaps the route of travel I chose, my age, the fact that I forgot to sign my customs form, etc). After I was denied entry to Canada, I did make sure to contact everyone that I had made plans with to inform them that I would not be making it to Montreal due to "border issues" and that I was deeply sorry for having wasted their time.
As I do not know the exact consequences of having signed the voluntary withdrawal of application for entry into Canada (I am most surely now in some sort of database but I am not sure how long for or whether or not I would automatically be denied entry into Canada for a certain period of time), I suspect that the probability of further hobbying in Montreal on my part is zero. So, please, take what you can from this story and use it to your advantage. I sincerely hope that my troubles prevent similar ones for you. Why, you may ask? Because now, if I want to experience anything remotely similar to what Montreal has to offer, I have to fly a continent over to Germany and pay 6-7 times over what I would normally pay :lol:.
As I was just turned away from entering Canada from the US (or, rather, I voluntarily withdrew my application for entrance into Canada and was allowed to leave/go back to the US), I hope that my story and its relative amount of detail can help prevent fellow forum posters from having a similar fate befall them:
The story: I arrive at Billy Bishop in Toronto for a connecting flight to Trudeau in Montreal (demographics wise, I am a white American male, mid-30s, middle class). I approach the customs agent and go through the usual questions (I am there for pleasure, I intend to stay for five days in order to visit a few particular historical sites and to see the Robert Mapplethorpe exhibit at the Musee des beaux-arts, I have a return flight home, here is my documentation, and so forth). In addition to these questions, I am asked my relatively short stay (truthfully answered: the unusual scheduling at my job permits me to take 5-6 days off in a row but rarely permits me to take off more), why I decided to come back after only visiting a little more than two months (truthfully answered: I did not have enough time to explore the city the first time I visited because of the aforementioned work scheduling), and why I had split my accommodations between two nights at a hotel and three nights at an airbnb location (truthfully answered: although I wanted to stay in a hotel for the duration of my stay, I got an airbnb gift card for Christmas and did not want to waster it).
After answering these questions to what I perceive to be to the satisfaction of the agent, I am given back my customs form and told to pick up my checked baggage. After picking up my checked baggage and showing my customs form to another agent, I am told that I forgot to sign the form (an error on my part) and that I needed to go to another room for further questioning. Subsequently, I go to this room where I am met by the same agent who had initially questioned me. This agent then questions me further on my job and then proceeds to go through all of my luggage and my laptop carrying case. The agent finds a significant amount of money that is less than the amount that I would need to have declared and questions me further about the reasons for my visit. At this point, I am asked to turn over my phone for search purposes (something the agent is supposedly allowed to do since this involves the matter of whether or not I shall be permitted into Canada) and I comply. Stupidly not having heeded the advice within this thread, I am (figuratively) caught with my pants down as I did not delete either text messages or emails relating to rdvs that I had planned for for this trip.
The aftermath: After being told to wait and to leave all of my belongings at the counter, the agent seemingly confers with other agents about my case and appears to show them exchanges on my cell phone. I am, after an hour or so, ushered back by the agent who informs me that they know why I am really here based off my cell phone and that they will be denying my entry into Canada. Based off of this decision, they further inform me that I have two options: I can either, a) sign an agreement to voluntarily withdrawal my entrance application and wait in the airport lounge for the first flight back to my original point of departure (while they hold on to my passport to make sure that I do, in fact, leave) or, b) forgo this agreement, be subject to a formal report, and face further questioning, and possible detainment, from Canadian law enforcement. Not wanting to potentially jeopardize my life for transient (but still amazing) pleasure, I take the former option.
While I am putting all of my belongings back, I am asked further questions that I find to be extremely personal and borderline insulting but that I hesitantly answer after being threatened by the agent with having to instead answer to law enforcement. After waiting for another 30 minutes or so, I sign my voluntarily withdrawal, am escorted back to the airport lounge, and wait for three hours until I am given back my passport and head home towards my original point of departure.
The moral: Obviously, delete/privately store all communication w/ SPs/agencies before going through customs. I have included details in this story in the hopes that more seasoned/experienced members of this community may highlight other red flags that are not readily apparent to me (perhaps the route of travel I chose, my age, the fact that I forgot to sign my customs form, etc). After I was denied entry to Canada, I did make sure to contact everyone that I had made plans with to inform them that I would not be making it to Montreal due to "border issues" and that I was deeply sorry for having wasted their time.
As I do not know the exact consequences of having signed the voluntary withdrawal of application for entry into Canada (I am most surely now in some sort of database but I am not sure how long for or whether or not I would automatically be denied entry into Canada for a certain period of time), I suspect that the probability of further hobbying in Montreal on my part is zero. So, please, take what you can from this story and use it to your advantage. I sincerely hope that my troubles prevent similar ones for you. Why, you may ask? Because now, if I want to experience anything remotely similar to what Montreal has to offer, I have to fly a continent over to Germany and pay 6-7 times over what I would normally pay :lol:.
Sorry to hear that. Definitely keep your hobby information on the cloud and clear your cache. They can't compel you to log into to your hobby email if they don't know there is such an account. Laptop/mobile are subject to search. And no reason to bring currency across the border when you can take it out of ATMs.
I don't think failure to sign form mattered in terms of getting you a secondary examination. Primary agent most likely already marked you for referral to secondary.
EU definitely do not question as much why you are visiting. If you visit Germany often, enter Schengen via German airports and US passport holder, consider enrolling in easyPASS-RTP.
I don't think failure to sign form mattered in terms of getting you a secondary examination. Primary agent most likely already marked you for referral to secondary.
EU definitely do not question as much why you are visiting. If you visit Germany often, enter Schengen via German airports and US passport holder, consider enrolling in easyPASS-RTP.
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