Bush Ducks in Iraq Attack.
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Dee said:
Do you like assaults on people walking down the street or rapes?
You people should be ashamed of yourselves. A journalist should have written a nasty article, and not assault someone.
gamelessdork said:
Hello Gamelessdork,
The point here for me is just how far those who hate Bush will go; especially considering this guy in whose country he could expect very harsh treatment while under a legal system that probably has a lot less protection for perpetrators of any kind, much less those who attack a visiting head of state. Knowing that, he still did it. Some may dismiss this guy as a kook or crazy extremist. However, it could be a very representative statement indicating just how far the U.S. standing has sunk in the eyes of many nations, and much more so in the volatile Arab world. It's a big laugh at first. But what does it really represent???
Very troubling,
Merlot
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Merlot said:
I agree, and the charge was disturbing. I can't stand bush, but I believe in law and order (hence why I go to Montreal). You don't solve problems with violence. The "journalist" is being lauded as a hero in the arab world and with liberals world wide. That's not a good way to make a political point. An article would have been better. Will people ever learn that violence, and yes, this was assault, which is violence, solves nothing except in a righteous war, which Iraq is not.
gamelessdork said:
Two shoes had a greater effect than 10,000 articles. This was not an act of assault, it was an act of civil disobedience. The fact is that reporter did what everyone in the middle east wish they had the guts and the opportunity to do. The law he will likely be charged under "insulting a foreign head of state" does not exist in most Western countries. There is even some talk that he could be charged with attempted murder.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7786881.stm
rollingstone said:
Hello Rollingstone,
Considering all of the other possibilities I have to say the act was peaceful by comparison. In our hyper-sensitive country it may qualify as assault legally. But no matter how crude, it was a very effective protest and statement of how the Iraqis, Arabs, and Muslims feel about American policy and involvement in the area. No written commentary could ever have gotten so much attention. Rather than condemning the guy or applauding him, Americans should think about what kind of feelings push anyone to take such a risk and face the consequences.
Dangerous sign,
Merlot
Merlot said:
"The previously little-known journalist from the private Cairo-based al-Baghdadia"
Getting his 15 min of fame?
Now imagine what would have happened to him if he had flung his shoes at Saddam. I'm highly doubtful he would have risked it
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rollingstone said:
Actually, in Canada:
C.Cr. 424. Every one who threatens to commit an offence under [multiple sections] against an internationally protected person [...] is [...] liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than five years.
Plus of course:
C.Cr. 175. (1) Every one who [...] causes a disturbance in or near a public place, (i) by fighting, screaming, shouting, swearing, singing (!?) or using insulting or obscene language [can get 6 months in jail].
But my favorite remains this one:
C.Cr. 49. Every one who wilfully, in the presence of Her Majesty,
(a) does an act with intent to alarm Her Majesty or to break the public peace, or
(b) does an act that is intended or is likely to cause bodily harm to Her Majesty,
is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding fourteen years (!!!).
By the way, Bush is moron of course. But Saddam is directly responsible for the deaths of over 1 million people in the Middle East. That doesn't count the tens of thousands who starved under his regime. Where were the Iraqi protesters then? I see those on the left who protested Bush in Montreal, London, Washington, etc. Why didn't they protest Saddam then?
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Kepler said:
One million?? One million?? Are you sure of this?? Geez, that even beats Bush's numbers!!
Doc Holliday said:
Yes. Saddam is responsible for well over a million deaths. I hate citing Wikipedia, but just counting the Iran-Iraq war:
Estimates of between 188,000 and 800,000 Iranians killed.
Estimates of 250,000 to 500,000 Iraqis killed.
So total of between 438,000 to 1,300,000 killed.
This doesn't count the dead from him gassing his own people, the tens of thousands of political opponents who "disappeared", the dead resulting from his invasion of Kuwait (est. up to 200,000), etc. ad nauseam.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Iraq_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_war
Bush is a moron. The war was poorly planned. Many Iraqis have suffered since. All true. But make no mistake: Iraq is a much better place with a much brighter future today, thanks to Bush. Of course the world may have been a better place overall if he'd never been elected. But that's another story.
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While we are doing Bush vs Saddam comparisons, did anyone dig up statistics on what percentage of Iraqi's had 24 hour access to fresh water, electricity and other basic services under Bush and under Saddam? Lets have numbers on the pre-sanction years.
Yeah Iraq does have a bright future, and is much safer today. That's why Bush and his cronies still stick to unannounced visits. In addition today's Iraq is a passive ally of Iran instead of a bulwark against its influence. I am not a fan of Saddam, but this shoe thrower has not been granted a public hearing (judge visited him in jail), access to lawyers and appears to have been tortured. How is that better?
Yeah Iraq does have a bright future, and is much safer today. That's why Bush and his cronies still stick to unannounced visits. In addition today's Iraq is a passive ally of Iran instead of a bulwark against its influence. I am not a fan of Saddam, but this shoe thrower has not been granted a public hearing (judge visited him in jail), access to lawyers and appears to have been tortured. How is that better?
seems that this shoe throwing thing is catching on. on tonights evening news they ran a story about someone throwing his shoe at a nyc metro executive. the man was upset at the riseing cost of rideing the subway (metro).
they are also raising the tax on shoes in nyc. i wonder if the higher shoe prices will prevent more shoe throwing in the future?
they are also raising the tax on shoes in nyc. i wonder if the higher shoe prices will prevent more shoe throwing in the future?
gamelessdork said:
Tell me gamelessdork ! Do you consider killing hundred of thousands of innocent people a liberation ? or a massacre ? Sadaam had killed hundred of thousands. He was hanged. Good ! This is Justice !
So since you are in favor of law and order...u should know that if there was really law and order on our dear planet... destiny would take its course !
BTW there is new movie out there with Tom Cruise about one of the many times people in Germany tried to kill Hitler. I suggest u see it.
And you can read Anthony Cave Brown. That should give u a hint about on what the world is really !
Doc Holliday said:One million?? One million?? Are you sure of this?? Geez, that even beats Bush's numbers!!
Wow ! now Doc you really impress me here !
I have to take away all my insults to you even the ones I just did a couple moments ago just for the sake of this one !
Hey ! have urself a very new year to come !
Kepler said:
Kepler ! I appreciate ur knowledge of the law ! Mes felicitations !
As for Bush being a Moron... it's more thant just that.
We all know the Bush's were involved with Saddam about the war on Iran.
Along with all the rest of the clowns.
Protest against the war in Iraq was to protest against Bush wanting to discredit the ONU. USA as well as the other 4 didn't want to show to the world that they have been running the security council only to their own advantage over and over again. Without caring about the other countries on this Blue Planet.
We all know that Saddam's regime got help from major countries including USA and he just became like so many Dictateurs when the $ didn't flow his way anymore.
mazingerz said:
Mazingerz ! des fois on dirait que tu as une certaine innocense dans ta facon de voir les choses mais en meme temps c tellement rafraichissant de te voir dire des choses que bien du monde voudrait dire telles qu'elles sont.
Malheureusement on vit dans un monde qui n'a rien a avoir avec le bon sens !
Sans vouloir te corrompre a te renseigner sur le monde 'underground', le genre de monde qui habite nos palais de justice, le fonctionnement du conseil de securite a l'ONU, les services secrets, la politique et les jeux du pouvoirs..
Et pourtant je me doute que tu connais un tas de ces choses...
J'aime autant prendre un instant pour te saluer en levant mon verre !
Faut avoir un certain courage pour dire ces choses de facon sincere !
Voila tout
